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‘Setting the Table for Famine’—Michael Yon on the Energy Crisis, Food Shortages, Price Inflation, and the Human ‘South-Stream Pipeline’ to the US

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“They’ve surrendered their sovereignty to the people in Brussels, and the people in Brussels are leading us into a global catastrophe,” says war correspondent Michael Yon.

Yon has been traveling throughout Europe, investigating and reporting on an alarming pattern of events. According to Yon, the farming crisis in the Netherlands is a microcosm of a post-pandemic world, from Europe to Asia to the Americas, in which draconian government policies have resulted in food shortages, an energy crisis, massive price inflation, and war.

“The pipeline is now draining out. Fertilizer is not being produced. As you know, China and other countries like India, Malaysia, Indonesia are hoarding food,” says Yon. “Putin had threatened that he would shut off Nord Stream 1 and put it down to zero. And sure enough, he shut it off.”

The ability to move around faster than ever enables people to travel long distances in a short amount of time, adding to an unprecedented wave of mass migration from Central America to the United States, with millions of people from far-flung countries ending up at America’s doorstep, Yon argues. The coming famine will exacerbate this crisis, Yon says.

“The next thing you know, this permanently changes the demographics of countries,” explains Yon. “These famines that are clearly building are biblical. At this rate, the Bible is going to need a new chapter.”

Below is a rush transcript of this American Thought Leaders episode from Sep 15, 2022. This transcript may not be in its final form and may be updated.

Jan Jekielek:
Michael Yon, such a pleasure to have you back on American Thought Leaders.

Michael Yon:
Jan, it’s great to be back. I’ve been wanting to come back on your show for a long time. You’ve left me out in Siberia.

Mr. Jekielek:
Well, you’ve been actually all over the place. It’s been hard to get ahold of you. You’ve been traveling to Morocco, Darién Gap, you’re now in Netherlands. That’s what we’re going to start with. We met of course in Hong Kong. I like to remind our viewers you showed me the ropes of what was happening amidst the protests and how not to get in some serious trouble in the midst of it. You’ve been doing all this traveling.

Your focus has been on global security, on global security trying to understand what is happening in the world, because there does seem to be a very significant shift, especially with the pandemic. Now we’re seeing food security become a very serious issue. You’re in Netherlands right now, so what are you seeing?

Mr. Yon:
Netherlands right now is about to go into winter. Their energy prices are going through the roof and most of the people don’t see the famine coming. Some do. We can see Germany is about to collapse under the burden of lack of energy, not just energy prices, and so the farmers are being destroyed and Netherlands is being brought to heel under the globalists. Some are resisting.

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Mr. Yon:
Oh, big time. I mean, I wouldn’t say they just have a globalist bent. They are globalist. The farmers own about 62% of the land in Netherlands, but this is the second largest food exporter in the world despite being only less than 18 million people and the farmers are extraordinary. They’re using excuses of what they call stikstof here, which is nitrogen, that the nitrogen is causing pollution.

Right next door in Germany, which is on the border, they don’t ever bring up the nitrogen, they blame CO2 over there. Across the border, it’s CO2. Here, it’s nitrogen. The globalists just tailor-make their talking points to resonate with people. The bottom line is they’re trying to run the farmers out of business by saying that they’re polluting the environment. Of course, that means that who’s going to make this food?

When you take the most efficient farmers in the world, arguably, and you put them out of business because they’re polluting, who’s going to do it? The Indians? The Chinese? I don’t know. The bottom line is though, we can see that we’re going into an energy crisis that is quite severe and an energy crisis of course leads to food crisis as well. As you know, I spend a lot of time down in the Darién Gap between Columbia and Panama.

A great deal of time out with those Indians deep in the jungle. Taken two congressmen down there. Tom Tiffany from Wisconsin for instance, very courageously went probably 25 miles out in the jungle with me, and then Mexico and whatnot. You see our borders just being overwhelmed. Same is happening here in Europe. I was just over in Luxembourg, tiny country and about 50% of the country is now recent migrants.

Luxembourg is not anything like it was the last time I was there. In fact, Europe in general is not. I’ve lived six years in Europe, mostly Germany and Poland. You can see for instance, Germany is really going downhill fast. They have an energy crisis that is quite severe and it’s been exacerbated by the war in Ukraine. Of course, you’ve got Nord Stream 1 and North Stream 2. For people that don’t know what that means, there’s two pipelines.

Nord Stream means North Stream because the pipeline goes through the Baltic Sea and comes down to Germany. Nord Stream 2 has never been opened because Germany won’t certify it to open. Nord Stream 1 has been open and running at a hundred percent until recently, until the war came. Excuse me if you see flies here, there’s horses everywhere. I’m in farmland. Nord Stream 2 has never been opened. Nord Stream 1 is very vital for Germany and Europe because that’s where a huge amount of the natural gas comes to Germany and other parts of Europe.

Since the war started, Nord Stream 1 was flowing at 100% and then Putin knocked it down. I mean, I’ll skip some of the details, but he had it flow down to about 22% for quite a while. I’ve been watching it every few days. There’s an online website, you can see the flow yourself. Putin had threatened weeks ago that he would shut off Nord Stream 1 and put it down to zero and which he just did. I was up after midnight watching the flows and sure enough he shut it off.

Now this is a big deal. At the current burn rate, even when Nord Stream 1 was at 22%, which it is at 0% as we talk right now, that means that Germany was probably going to run out of energy or of natural gas in about January or February, height of the winter, and Germany’s quite cold as you know. Now, this has other huge effects besides just freezing to death.

Right now Germany is setting up warming stations, by the way, in school gymnasiums and whatnot, so that come wintertime, people will be able to warm up in the gymnasiums and that the German tribes will be able to meet with the new Somali tribes who have come in. I mean, it’ll be quite interesting, but a huge impact, and we’ll get back to food now of the natural gas. As you know, natural gas is used to make nitrogen-based fertilizers using Haber-Bosch process.

The Haber-Bosch process takes natural gas and converts it using atmospheric air and it combines those together and you make ammonia, urea or ammonium nitrate and some other things. This is vital. This process is absolutely vital for the lives of billions of people on earth. The Haber-Bosch process has only been around for roughly 110 years and that is one of the things that allowed the human population to just explode.

I’ve published on my locals a number of times a map of the fertilizer plants that have either shut down production of nitrogen-based fertilizers or have greatly reduced the amount. Now the flash to bang on the food issues is quite long because we’re living off of last year’s bounty right now and so there was a lot of fertilizer and food already in the pipeline, which is now draining just like Nord Stream 1 just did. So the pipeline is now draining out. Fertilizer is not being produced anywhere close to what it used to be.

As you know, China and other countries like India, Malaysia, Indonesia, are hoarding food, which is I think quite smart. I mean, from their perspective. They may be having riots today in China, unconfirmed, but it looks like it. Food riots in Chengdu, we’ll see. The bottom line is, I would not doubt it if you have actual Germans knocking on your door this year because they’re freezing. Now, there is plenty of natural gas. Russia has obviously plenty.

Netherlands where I’m sitting now, there’s a place called Groningen in which is not very far from me, about hour away. They’ve got all the natural gas they need for Netherlands and substantial part, they could send quite a lot to Germany. Also, over in UK they’ve got a lot of natural gas that’s not being used and it’s not being used because it’s sitting in the ground due to information campaigns by the Greens and the people who sponsor the Greens.

It’s just people are going to freeze the death this winter, it’s very clear. Next year we’re going to start to see profound food shortages and this will drive that hop. We see right now going through South America, through Columbia, up through the Darién Gap where I spend so much time, the flows are dramatically increasing. As you know, I was down in Darién Gap a few months ago. Darién Gap is that jungle gap between Columbia and Panama.

It’s very rugged, very dangerous, so the migrants go through that Darién Gap and many drown or fall off what they call the montaña de la muerte, the mountain of death or they get lost out there. But they’re coming up in massive numbers through. Africans and Asians, I see people from Pakistan every day. I’m talking about in Panama, in Central America. I see that that flow is dramatically increasing as we see the economies collapse.

Last year I didn’t see many Pakistanis. I see a few sprinkling. Last year I didn’t see any Chinese. I heard about Chinese. This year I’ve seen Mainland Chinese every day. Mainland Chinese go to Ecuador and then they go up to Columbia, go into the Darién Gap and go north and they end up all around the United States. We have the same with Indians, Bangladeshi, Somalis, Yemenis, over 140 countries.

So this human osmotic pressure that’s being created by these food shortages that are coming in a huge way next year sets up South America as a funnel right through Panama. I’m a war correspondent. I’m down there because that is a corridor north. Recently when I was down there, Mayorkas came and landed in his Black Hawks. He came with three Black Hawks and he’s doubling the size of the camps that they were increasing the flow.

Our own government is increasing the migration flow, like opening the arteries. In the past, most of the flows were coming from what we call the Northern Triangle like Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Mexico. It’s not really a triangle, but now many people are coming from… Huge numbers from Cuba, huge numbers from Haiti. Haiti’s just dumping out through there. Venezuela of course, left wing has collapsed. Columbia has just gone left wing so now I’m seeing Colombians go through there all the time, every day.

Peruvians, like last year I wasn’t seeing any Peruvians. This year I’m seeing Peruvians down the Darién Gap and I just spent two weeks in Mexico before I came here up on the border at the Rio Grande on the Mexican side and a couple weeks on the Texas side. Peruvians every day. Why are Peruvians coming now? Food. We have problems with the food. The economy’s collapsing.

As the economies collapse and as the food pressures increase, you’ll see Africa and you’ll see Asia start and maybe parts of Europe dumping out into South America and then going through the Darién Gap. After you’ve passed through the Darién Gap and you’re on the Panama side. It could take you two weeks to get to Costa Rica last year. Now you can be up there in 24 hours easily. You’ll be unlucky if it takes you three days, because we’ve increased the flow, it’s much smoother.

It’s like a pipeline, almost like South Stream. This is a big deal. We’re being completely invaded on the southern border. Everybody in Texas and Arizona and New Mexico knows this. Right now here in Netherlands, it’s very similar. It’s just on different numbers scale because they’re a smaller country.

Mr. Jekielek:
Okay. Michael, you’re painting a very, very broad picture here, looking at different parts of the world, different phenomena apparently happening in concert. Of course, we just had what was ostensibly a pandemic. It wasn’t nearly as bad a pandemic as we thought it was supposed to be, but the policies that were associated with the pandemic turned out to be extremely harsh and essentially transformed the world. We have to talk about how that connects.

Before we go there, earlier when you were talking about the government of Netherlands… Well, actually you were talking about the World Economic Forum almost as if they were the government of Netherlands, which obviously isn’t the case. Essentially are you saying that the Netherlands government basically sort of agrees ideologically with the World Economic Forum people? Is that how it works?

Mr. Yon:
Absolutely. Mark Rutte, the prime minister, you can see Klaus Schwab… They call it WEF here, World Economic Forum. You can see Klaus Schwab going, “Where do we find a prime minister like Mark Rutte?” Mark is like, “Yeah.” It’s probably making Trudeau quite jealous. The World Economic Forum has nurtured this country. Of course, Brussels is right next door. Belgium is on the border, the EU is completely captured and so things are really governed here by bureaucrats, unnamed, we don’t even know who they are.

They’re probably down in Davos, down in Switzerland. It’s clear that the World Economic Forum has a massive influence in Canada, United States, all over, including Japan, name it. Especially here in Belgium and in Luxembourg, they’ve taken Luxembourg. Luxembourg’s gone with the wind. What a nice banking place to have as well. With the way the energy situation is going, it’s clear that Germany is in grave danger of collapsing in 2023.

It’s actually difficult to imagine on this trajectory, unless something changes that they won’t. There’s 27 countries in the European Union, and if Germany collapses, the European Union is certainly going to just fall apart. Keeping in mind that Putin also just cut natural gas to France. I mean, the situation is quite dire. Some countries saw this coming. Poland saw it coming, made adjustments way in advance, started getting more of their energy from Norway as an example.

Polish are hardcore. I lived in Poland two years. I love Poland. They’re just still real men there. They’re not going to just roll over for the weaklings in the EU who demand that you open your borders and that you give your energy security over to Russia. Poland has a long experience with Russia and it’s very acute. They also have a long experience with Germans. So Poland is caught in that middle spot and so the survivors in Poland, the remnant are hard people.

As the European Union tries to push Poland into energy dependence and whatnot, Poland’s like, “No can do. We’re getting our energy somewhere else.” Poland has their energy tanks topped off I think. They might be at 99 or 100% right now. I think they’ve got enough for the winter, but still we have Polish people lined up apparently for days. I need to just go back over to Poland. Apparently Pols are lined up to get coal.

Poland’s got a lot of coal and so apparently… And forests are being cut down and shipped over to Germany. Germans are raiding the forests. They’re hiring private security to guard their forests because everybody’s cutting trees down and getting all the wood they can out of the forest. I was just over in Germany checking out… I went to their equivalent of the Home Depot, it’s called OBI, and went straight to the wood section and they’re like, “Ah, we can’t get any wood. You have to get it right when it comes in. We don’t know when we’re going to get any more.”

They have to limit the amounts, because the Germans, who… Many of the Germans heat their homes with the natural gas, but remember, most Germans don’t have fireplaces. They live in cities. Many of them live in apartment buildings and that sort of thing. This is a very serious situation coming in for. The trees are being cut down and the coal’s being fired up again to keep people warm.

Mr. Jekielek:
How important is natural gas flow to Europe?

Mr. Yon:
Natural gas flow to Europe is life and death. In addition to energy for lighting and heating and running the factories. I mean, the car… It’s unbelievable. I mean, industry in Europe is completely or mostly dependent on this and Germany is shutting off their nuclear power plants and fertilizer. You have to have that natural gas to do the bulk of the production of nitrogen-based fertilizers. This is clearly setting the table for famine.

Mr. Jekielek:
There’s this huge focus right now on the Russia-Ukraine War and perhaps not surprisingly, but as I think arguably the most embedded war correspondent in U.S. history, you’re not there. Why not?

Mr. Yon:
That’s a minor battlefield compared to the food and the migration issues. I mean, it’s a major battlefield if you’re there and it affects world energy obviously. It affects the food. I mean, if I were going to design a war that would exacerbate the food and energy problems, it would be that war. Because oh there’s always wars around the world. I mean, this is like… One of the things I learned doing so much combat was never chase battles.

I mean, to me that’s battle chasing. The big story of human history at this point, these famines that are clearly building are biblical. I don’t use that word lightly. I mean, at this rate, the Bible’s going to need a new chapter. I mean, it is really that serious. I cannot convey clearly enough how serious this is.

Mr. Jekielek:
Well, it strikes me that Ukraine is also one of these agricultural powerhouse countries and obviously that agricultural production is dramatically reduced at the moment, isn’t it?

Mr. Yon:
Absolutely. Ukraine’s had numerous famines. One of the things I’ve learned about famine in my studies of famine is that living in the middle of farmland is not your savior. In fact, it doesn’t seem even related to whether or not you’re going to end up having food. The political situation is often more related.

For instance, in Henan province during Mao’s great famine there was a… And Henan province was one of the bread baskets of China and ended up with some of the worst famine. As you know, Ukraine is a massive producer of food and yet they’ve had numerous famines just in the last century, and they could go into another one very shortly.

Mr. Jekielek:
You’re essentially arguing though that none of this really had to happen, that this is all contrived or basically created by humans.

Mr. Yon:
I think those who know how to create it can create it because I know how to create it. I know knock out the gas, knock out the energy, you knock out the energy’s leg and agriculture’s going to go. You’re going to go into famine, but they’re hitting all legs at once and more. Yeah, I mean, this is clearly contrived and this isn’t conspiracy theory. They say it, the World Economic Forum is open about it. They say it in clear words.

Mr. Jekielek:
What are they saying in clear words?

Mr. Yon:
For instance about the great reset, about reducing population on earth, clearly going to reduce population on earth. When you go into a famine, malnutrition of course leads to population size aids. Most people in a famine don’t actually die from hunger. They die from disease because they become weakened and they’re eating things they don’t normally eat and that sort of thing, traveling to places and they get diseases.

Historically, the communists have used the Greens quite a lot as well and most of us actually do want the environment to be nice. It’s not like we’re anti-environment. Quite the… I spend so much time in the jungles and the deserts and the woods. I love to have clean places out there. But the menu is tailor-made for instance here, as we were talking about the farmers here they talk about nitrogen, stikstof, and over in Germany it’s carbon dioxide.

I mean, which is just right over the border. Yeah, the Greens have been used as a tool, but this is clearly a hostile takeover. The World Economic Forum doesn’t even hide that that’s what they’re doing.

Mr. Jekielek:
Michael, it seems very strange to me that there’s a lot of policy that’s being implemented right now like in the midst of what we’re talking about, Germany potentially shutting down its last nuclear plants. That that seems like a crazy idea given the energy reality that you just described. That’s just one example. Or in a situation where there’s potential food shortage that you would have policy that would make it even harder for the farmers and potentially drive them out of their ability to be able to make the food in the first place.

Now, you’re arguing that this is a result of deliberate policy, for example, in the idea of the globalists or the World Economic Forum. In fact, a lot of famine as I’ve learned, I mean, since we’ve talked about this, comes from basically policy, not because it really could have been… The reality is it could have been avoided, but somehow it’s humans doing something, creating something that will then perpetuate the food shortages and famine. Explain how all this works to me.

Mr. Yon:
Right. Most famines do actually have a significant human component. There are some famines that only derive from say a big drought, especially if you’re on some little island somewhere and you’re cut off from the world. But mostly those don’t happen in little islands anymore because we can help them. These days, almost all famines have some sort of war component. For instance, even the potato famine in Ireland. There’s a good book on that called Black Potatoes, which I read and I read a couple more on that famine.

The English were shutting down their ports and our ability to… And the Choctaw Indians in America were… or United States at that time. It was already the United States, were sending food to the Irish, but the English didn’t want it to go through. In Netherlands, there was the 1944/45 Hongerwinter, they call it the Hunger Winter, when the Nazis were destroying the ability to transport food to the hungry Dutch.

We were trying to parachute food in, succeeded some times and some of our airplanes were shot down. We were feeding some people but not enough. The Swedish were trying to feed the Dutch as well. Then finally about six months later we did Operation Market Garden and all those sorts of things, invaded, kicked the Nazis out and were able to feed the Dutch right here. I found an Encyclopaedia Britannica set from 1910/1911 and I went right to the F and looked up the famine and it was a couple of pages.

They say the big famines in the world are probably coming to an end because usually there’s always enough food, it’s just over there. We need to get it over here. They go to make a very sensible argument that now we have faster ships, we have faster and bigger trains, bigger ships, and we have better roads and better ability to get stuff from here to there. By the way, that was even before Haber-Bosch process was out.

We’re talking 1910/1911. That didn’t really kick off until about 1915 or so in a big way I think Haber-Bosch over at Ludwigshafen in Germany at BASF. The authors of that very well-written piece in the Britannica in 1910/1911 thought that the big famines were probably over and they made a good sound argument because now we can get the food from here to there. Did not take into account that human component.

One thing about farmers is they are wed to the land. They are a backbone of culture. Farmers and religion entwined are a backbone of culture. If you’re trying to brainwash people and break them and divorce them from the land, you got to break the farmers’ back. They’re trying that right here. These farmers here, many of the farmers here in Netherlands have been here… Like one farmer, seven generations was talking about he may be the one that has to give up the farm.

That’s all they know. They’re very serious Dutch. They reclaimed this from the sea and made farms out of it. This is an extraordinary country. That’s what happened with Stalin in the Ukraine. Mao did that in China, destroy the farmers and replace them. Going back to Ukraine, when Stalin did that in the early ’30s, ’32/’33 in Holodomor, tried to replace those farmers with Russian farmers, it was a replacement strategy.

A lot of people think you can just take somebody else and put them on that farm and they’ll do great with it, but no, that’s a art and a science. Also, farmers do best in the land that their families have passed down to them because they know where the crickets live there. They know exactly how to farm that land. Stalin came in, replaced a lot of the Ukrainian farmers with Russians, and they didn’t do well and the famine got even worse.

Well, he used the famine to break the farmers’ back and then it got out of his control, like fires do. Wars and famines and pandemics, they just always get out of hand. Pandemics have a life of their own. But when people induce famine, it’s like starting a fire. All right, you’ve started a famine. Now how do you turn it off? Because famine creates famine, pandemic creates pandemic, and war creates war.

That’s why once you get one of these legs of PanFaWar, pandemic, famine, war, once you got it going, you can’t turn it off. Any monkey can start a fire, but it takes Mother Nature to help you put it out.

Mr. Jekielek:
Explain to me how this triangle that you describe works, the pandemic war and famine.

Mr. Yon:
For instance, in 1793 there was a yellow fever outbreak in Philadelphia. Yellow fever is a man-size pandemic that’s like up there with tuberculosis, that’s up there with smallpox. Yellow fever was causing the farmers to leave. Everybody’s dying. They’re getting bitten by mosquitoes. They have no idea that mosquitoes are doing it. They leave their farms and so they stop farming. That’s one way.

Like in the cholera outbreak in London in 1854, people are dying from cholera and people start abandoning areas of the city. It causes the economy to collapse. Food shortages can create famine, which sounds common sense, but it’s not necessarily. When you have a food shortage, which can be caused… Like a personal food shortage. It might just be because I don’t have enough money to buy food.

There might be plenty of food, but hyperinflation or something, unemployment, I just don’t have the money to buy food and so people start stealing. They’re hungry. They start robbing stores, robbing warehouses, trucks, ships, trains. Now, especially, well, when you start robbing warehouses and stores, they stop refilling those. You’ll create these food deserts and then people start robbing the farmers.

Now it can actually cause you to go into famine because people are robbing the farmers and so the farmers they go bankrupt or they stop. If you get into a war, like it’s going on in Ukraine now, famine can be created because the… Well, first of all, the ships can’t go out the way they normally do. As you know, those trains from Ukraine over to Poland, they change the gauge on the border at Białystok. They go from those narrow Russian gauges.

The reason they have different widths is because the Russians hate to be invaded by train so they want you to have to stop and transload at places like Białystok, so you can’t just load all that grain up and ship it over and it won’t… You can’t get it on the trucks like you can on a ship. You have this war going on and it interrupts the actual transport of the food. That’s how war can lead to famine.

Also, now your army is just out there fighting all the time. Often what determines whether or not a country wins or loses a series of wars or one war is who’s got the most food? Whose army is the best fed? That’s why your enemy will often attack your food and food supplies, which has obviously happened. So famine and war and pandemic and that human osmotic pressure, they’re all woven together. You get one, you’re going to get the others.

You got that triangle of death and then you got that center pole. It’s like a pyramid. That’s your human osmotic pressure that causes people to leave. The next thing you know, this changes the demographics, often permanently changes the demographics of countries. Let’s go back to pandemic. The reason that the United States even had so many African slaves is because the yellow fever was killing the Irish who were used as indentured servants, essentially slaves.

Because yellow fever was killing the Irish in large numbers, it wasn’t killing the Africans, they started bringing over more African slaves. A huge reason that we got the Louisiana, which was massive… Louisiana Purchase at such a good price from the French is because the French were having problems at home. They were having problems in Haiti and other places. Yellow fever.

The yellow fever was really hurting their ability to keep their economy going and keep their other conflicts going so we got a good deal on the Louisiana Purchase and also that’s why they left Haiti. As somebody who’s read 60 books on pandemic, I would argue that the U.S. history has been more shaped by pandemic and various disease than war itself but we always focus on the Civil War, the Revolutionary War, which my grandparents fought in, both of them.

My family came over way back in the beginning. When you read Ulysses S. Grant’s autobiography written in conjunction with Samuel Clemens, in the first part of the book, at least the first third or maybe 40%, it’s like every two or three pages he’s like, “Yeah, we’re going into Mexico and then we hit the cholera, then we hit the yellow fever, and then we got some other weird fever we don’t know what it was.”

I remember he talked about going into one town in Texas, or maybe it was Mexico and he said the whole streets were clear. There was some fever going around, so nobody wanted to come out of their house. He said there was one shootout in a street and that’s the only sounds he heard. Every step of the way they’re hitting something that’s just taking a big part of their military but we don’t hear about that.

We just hear about the Mexican-American War. We hear about the Civil War. We don’t realize that disease historically has killed more U.S. soldiers than even artillery.

Mr. Jekielek:
You’ve spoken with a number of Dutch farmers, what are they saying to you about what’s happening?

Mr. Yon:
They’re caught in a conundrum here because most of them, maybe all of them, have taken subsidies and now you see the subsidy trap. I mean, most of them actually realize that the World Economic Forum, the globalists, are trying to take their land and why they’re trying to do it. We’ve got printable meats here. I went to a restaurant about a month ago where they print the meat. You can get it in some of the restaurants here actually. It’s just amazing.

Talking about making food from crickets and all sorts of things. If you take out the farmers, the globalists are putting themselves into a position where they can control food production and distribution all the way to… We are not even going to know what’s going into our bodies. Bill and Melinda Gates, by the way, have put $600 million into something called Picnic, food distribution network here in Netherlands.

Three of them have burned down since I’ve gotten here and nobody knows why they’re burning down. Some people think it’s insider, I’m guessing, I don’t know. I have no idea but it’s quite strange that three of them have suddenly burned down right when the farmers are becoming more and more angry and the general population is becoming so angry that the farmers are being knocked out of the saddle and the food production is being taken away and the land is being taken away.

Then there’s a whole nother aspect of this called Tri-State city, but we should probably save that for another time. That’s a huge subject as well.

Mr. Jekielek:
Well, here’s what strikes me. Let’s just use Netherlands as a microcosm, okay? Because that’s where you are and obviously that’s where you think the action is at. You have this situation where one, the nitrogen isn’t being turned into fertilizer, so we wouldn’t be growing as much as we would normally. That’s one. Number two, there’s price inflation so things are getting more expensive.

Number three, there’s going to be huge limits on the energy available to do anything like run your tractor for example, and many, many other things. In what scenario can these farmers actually win and continue doing what they’re doing?

Mr. Yon:
Well, as a war correspondent, I would say overthrow the government because that’s the obvious only way that I see of doing it. Now, of course, just saying that if this airs while I’m still in the EU, who knows what’ll happen to me. I don’t see how they’re going to win with this government. Look what just happened to Sri Lanka. Last time I was in Sri Lanka, there was plenty of food. It was food galore. I mean, there was food everywhere at a nice cheap price.

Sri Lanka went down the same route and rest is history. We saw the mob swimming in the president’s swimming pool and sleeping in his bed literally.

Mr. Jekielek:
What exactly happened in Sri Lanka?

Mr. Yon:
Well, the government took the bait and made radical changes to the way that agriculture was done in Sri Lanka and for instance, going green, going organic, which just doesn’t work, which is about to happen to the entire world by the way. As this nitrogen fertilizers isn’t there, we’re just going to see crop yields go like this and that’s exactly what happened.

Now, not only Sri Lanka, but also Bangladesh. I also went to Bangladesh a few years ago, maybe four/four years ago. Taken a look around, I spent quite a bit of time running around there. It’s a very densely-populated country and of course Sri Lanka is off the south of India. It’s an island. Then Bangladesh is to the northeast of India and they’re contiguous. They border each other. Bangladesh is collapsing as we speak.

Let’s go to the other side. Pakistan on the western border is collapsing, if not collapsed at this point. I think we could safely say collapsed. They’ve had terrible floods. I mean, that country is… Essentially given the global context and that nobody can come to the rescue at this point, China’s hoarding food. China seems to be possibly having food riots now, so nobody’s going to come to the rescue of Pakistan.

Afghanistan next to that, where I spent two years has also got a lot of problems with… They always have problems with food and I spent a year up in Nepal, which is to the north of India. They have problems. I spent a year running around India. India with all of its neighbors either already collapsed or collapsing. I’m not sure how India’s going to be able to continue to stand on its legs. There’s many cultures in India, so it’s at peril to make any broad strokes there.

But as a broad stroke, Indians do tend to store food. They do tend to be preppers. That is a cultural essence and as are Chinese, certainly the more historical type Chinese that listen to their grandparents. When you talk to Chinese, they’ve always been concerned about running out of food because famines happen a lot over in Asia. So we could be looking at a massive famine in India and China. Imagine the human osmotic pressure. Enormous. Enormous.

Because also we’ve got roads and railroads and ships and the ability to move around faster than we’ve ever had before, people can go a very long distance these days in a very short amount of time. I’ve been warning Thailand. Look, if Bangladesh collapses, Bangladesh can be in Chiang Mai, Thailand, they can be in Bangkok. Because I’ve been through Bangladesh checking it out just for this very reason, checking it out, Burma, which borders Thailand. Perfect roads.

If you’ve got famine in India and you’ve got famine in Bangladesh, it will certainly collapse into Myanmar right to Thailand. This is also how pandemic spreads. You got a bunch of Indians coming over with their own diseases and dragging it through Bangladesh, through Myanmar, over to Thailand. Most people don’t die from starvation. When their immune systems are compromised, they start dying from diseases. They’ll die of the famine fevers is what they’re called. The famine fevers.

The famine fevers usually take a few months after serious malnutrition kicks in. People start dying from typhus. They start dying from relapsing fevers. You’ll also get other non-famine fevers like cholera always breaks out in famines. You always get cholera because the sanitation is bad. When there’s famines, the electricity certainly will go out, the water will stop flowing.

Mr. Jekielek:
Michael, everything you’re describing makes me think of what I talked about a little bit earlier, which was the impact of pandemic policy. Let me just explain briefly what I’m thinking. Pandemic policy resulted in I think unarguably the biggest wealth transfer from the poor and middle classes to the elites in the history of the world. It’s an unbelievable effect, which I think more and more people are realizing that happened.

A lot of small business just disappeared basically. People couldn’t keep these things going, again because of these very, very strict shelter-in-place policies in many countries, including the U.S.. Everything you’re describing is in the context of a couple of years of varied, extremely restrictive, economically-destructive policy that the world is still reeling from. Never mind, everything you’re talking about right now, you see?

Mr. Yon:
Right. I’ll tell you what, pick five random books on famine. I keep telling people. Just so that I’m not loading the deck, just pick five random books and you’ll see how famine basically irradiates an economy. I mean, it really kills an economy, at least as completely as war does, if not even more completely. We’ve seen children in the United States have missed a great deal of education in the last couple of years. Their chain of education has been disrupted.

It’s even far more so when you get into a famine and people are disrupted and they have to leave and they’re moving because you’re going to go where the food is. Most famines don’t last more than about two years, but many do last a lot longer. They’ll reach some magical point, they’ll reach a peak and then they’ll finally subside. In the interim, economies are completely destroyed. Years of education are lost and demographics are never the same.

Massive wealth redistribution. This pandemic was used in such a weaponized way that clearly we’re going straight into famine now.

Mr. Jekielek:
One solution I think that is sort of underlying it is simply to restart energy production, or start energy production in all these places where it’s possible but it’s not being done. Would you say that?

Mr. Yon:
Absolutely. The natural gas has to flow. We’ve got to get these fertilizer plants going again. But even if suddenly we’re all flowing, we’ve already lost a huge amount of production. There’s been a flash, we’re about to hear it. It’s not just a bang, it’s going to be a boom. Actually, the crop reports in the United States should be out in what? In a couple of weeks now, and that may have a dramatic effect on our food prices when people realize how short we are on food.

There’s droughts in serious parts of the United States and Northern Mexico. The breweries in Northern Mexico just closed. I was just near the Corona brewery about two months ago because I was tracking migrants actually, they happened to walk by the big brewery in Northern Mexico. Mexico produces about $5 billion worth of beer that’s exported every year but due to water shortages, closing those breweries.

The people that are nimble and able to move quickly tend to make fortunes. You’ll see people, for instance, in the Holodomor you would have people buying entire grand pianos, that was the famine in Ukraine, with just a few potatoes. When people say, “Oh, that’s just small potatoes.” I mean, this echoes back to potatoes being gold in places like the Holodomor in Ukraine or over in Ireland when the terrific terrible famines in Ireland… Their population has never recovered. We’re talking what? 170 years ago.

First of all, it caused a lot of Irish to come to the United States and we’re like, “Oh, welcome to the United States. Here’s your rifle and go fight the Confederates, please.” I mean, the Irish had a hard time there. People were really looking down on the Irish of course. The famines had ravaged them, not to mention other things.

Mr. Jekielek:
Following the worst of the pandemic, at some point it dawned on me, and I don’t know if this has happened to most people at this point, but basically that we’re really never going back to what was before. That the situation has irrevocably changed.

This is what you’re suggesting as you’re saying that even if you started drilling, you basically restarted energy production in all these places that can do it, at the same time, there’s still a lot of other policy and already the dye has been cast, so to speak. So there’s going to be something that the world is going to have to deal with and it’s this combination.

As you said, there’s this inflation that’s happening unquestionably and I know that’s not just in the U.S.. There’s food shortages that I don’t think we’re quite seeing yet, but you’re saying are basically guaranteed to come. There’s this recovery that’s being attempted from pandemic time and all of this basically spells a really, really difficult time that’s almost unavoidable. Is that what you’re saying?

Mr. Yon:
I would say unavoidable. I think it dawned on me in about January or February, certainly by February of 2020 that… And I was publishing it in writing and right around that time, the life you know is probably over and will never return. I had the advantage at that time of having already read about 40 books on pandemic as a war correspondent, almost autistic-like study. I track pandemics.

Every morning when I wake up and check what’s going on in the world? I’m like, “What’s going on with H5N1? What’s going on with…” I’m checking what’s going on with typhus. I’ve read the answers to the test. It’s all already written. It’s already happened over and over and over.

Mr. Jekielek:
The other side of that coin is that the policy, I think, I’m convinced based on the research that I’ve seen at this point and actually have been for a while, that the policy implemented to deal with the pandemic was a much greater cost than the actual pandemic should have just been allowed to run its course normally, which would’ve been an insane thing to suggest back at the beginning of 2020.

People talking about that were vilified in the most terrible of ways. Now looking in hindsight I mean, absolutely the policy was incredibly destructive and so that’s different than past pandemics. Does it still function as a pandemic in your definition really?

Mr. Yon:
From somebody who’s read 60 books on pandemic, let me put it like this, this pandemic is like this. Yellow fever is like this. You know what I mean? Smallpox, Bubonic plague but we can fix that these days. Typhus, very serious. Yellow fever has been a huge shaper of the world and almost nobody seems to know that now. There are mass graves all over the United States for yellow fever. Does anybody even know that? Watching this.

Look up mass graves yellow fever. If you’re in Tennessee, you’ll see, oh, there was a huge outbreak of yellow fever in Memphis. You know what I mean? All over Texas. There’s mass graves in Florida. I’m from Florida, if you ask Floridians that, they’ll be like, “What are you even talking about? What’s yellow fever?” Right? Yellow fever. The thing that shaped the United States probably more than the Civil War. Now, but on the scale of things, I would put this one at a one.

Let’s say one being the threshold of is there really something going on without somebody telling me? Yellow fever would be like a eight. Let’s say 10 would be a Stephen King and almost everybody’s dead on earth. Our reaction to the fake fire was we got stuck and trampled each other in the doorway. Look at Trudeau. Look at Biden or Rutte here in Netherlands, or so many others. They’re just actors.

I watched a speech with Biden in the background and all these sorts of things and putting all of his efforts against MAGA and Republicans, not mentioning anything about China, not mentioning anything about the energy or the fertilizer or the food. I’ve written three books, but I’ve written six books. Three of those books are only in Japanese, they’re only in Japan, but they’re only about information war. I’ve studied information war.

The highest form of warfare is information warfare. Why did Epoch just step out of the blue and suddenly become massive? Because we’re thirsty for accurate information. We’re dying from it. What do you do when you get cholera? You get dehydrated. What do you do? You need more water? You go right back to the source where you got that water from, the same source that gave you cholera. John Snow, the father of epidemiology, he made a map of where all the cases were happening.

This is a map of the media today and why are they dying? He went every single place and he’s like, “Finally found out, hey, they’re all getting water from that pump.” Because back then everybody thought the diseases were coming from miasma. Miasma, the terrible air. When you go to India, you’ll understand what a miasma is. That’s where we used to think malaria came from miasma. That’s why the name mal area, bad air, Latin, mal area, miasma.

They all thought it was miasma and he’s like, “No, no, it’s coming from that pump.” It’s the same with the media. When you read this terrible news sources, you go right back to that same source or you go back to sources that are providing that same polluted water. You’re never going to get clean water from that source. Just stop paying attention to it.

Mr. Jekielek:
It seems like we’ve crossed a Rubicon here. Is it possible to ever go back to how things looked like, let’s say pre-pandemic?

Mr. Yon:
No. We’re going into a totally different state and there’s no turning back. Look at Sri Lanka. They’re resisting now, a little too late. Especially when you go into famine. There’s only a certain amount of time that you have while your energy is still high and you’re not malnourished yet, that you can actually resist. At some point, you’re just too weak and they’ve beaten you.

Mr. Jekielek:
What do you think is the best case scenario right now for I suppose society at large?

Mr. Yon:
Firstly, detach ourselves from the globalist and the World Economic Forum and their influence, and that includes the UN and World Health Organization. Greatly reduce the size of the U.S. government and the bureaucracy there, become nationalist. I never realized I was a nationalist until people kept actually accusing me of it and then finally I’m like, “Actually, you’re right. I am a nationalist and that’s the way I need to be. I am American.”

Japanese need to be Japanese. Polish need to be Polish or they’ll just be giving up their sovereignty. That’s why Europe is collapsing. They’ve surrendered their sovereignty to the people in Brussels and the people in Brussels, who wherever they’re coming from on this planet, however they got to the views that they have are leading us into a global catastrophe.

Mr. Jekielek:
Any final thoughts as we finish up?

Mr. Yon:
All of our family lines have been through pandemics and famines and wars and migrations. We’ve all came from somewhere else and we’ve all got these long stories of this, that and the other and we’re still here. We’re survivors. So prepare, read quickly five books on famine. Just pick five random books. Okay. I’ll suggest one. Read Red Famine. Then pick four more at random.

Then you’ll understand more of what you need to do to prepare for this, because you can get through it, no problem, if you know what challenges you’re going to face and it’s all written down. Old people wrote it all down. They didn’t write it down for fun. They wrote it down so we would read it.

Mr. Jekielek:
Well, Michael Yon, it’s such a pleasure to have you on the show again.

Mr. Yon:
Thanks, Jan. It’s a very big pleasure to come on.

Mr. Jekielek:
Thank you all for joining Michael Yon and me on this episode of American Thought Leaders. I’m your host, Jan Jekielek.

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