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From ‘Wildfire Cancers’ to Foot-Long Clots, Dr. Ryan Cole Explains the Dangers of the Spike Protein

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I sit down again with pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole for an update on the alarming trends he and his colleagues have seen since the rollout of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, including the rise of “wildfire cancers” and the emergence of large blood clots.
“The cells don't lie. The clots don't lie. The damaged organs don't lie,” Cole says.
Cole breaks down the mechanisms by which the spike protein can cause the symptoms being reported, from brain fog to reactivated Epstein-Barr virus to changes in hormonal cycles.
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Jan Jekielek:
Dr. Ryan Cole, such a pleasure to have you back on American Thought Leaders.
Dr. Ryan Cole:
It's an honor to be back with you, Jan, thank you.
Mr. Jekielek:
It's been three quarters of a year, or something like this. It feels like an eternity since we last sat down. In your routine work as a pathologist, you were seeing viruses that typically only occur in children, now occurring in adults. You were seeing upticks in rare cancers. Where have things gone now?
Dr. Cole:
Same story, different day. So, still seeing odd, unusual things. Still being attacked for trying to share science and data. Sometimes the truth isn't convenient, societally. I have no agenda. I have no narrative, other than here's science and data. That's my job. I come to the scene of the accident as the pathologist and report what's at the scene of the accident. The cancer, the cells, the tumor. We're still seeing unusual cancers in unusual age groups at slightly higher rates. This is now being confirmed by certain federal data sets that are being analyzed. The cancer trends are markedly up, and that's from the CDC's own trend data sets. It's not just me saying that as a voice in the wilderness. This is happening. There's statistical data backing it now, and other nations are seeing the same. I have shared at different conferences around the world now. I was in Kentucky last weekend, and a radiation interventional radiologist came up to me.
He said, “You wouldn't believe how many young women I'm seeing with breast cancer stage four aggressive.” I said, “I would believe it.” Because I get calls daily from doctors around the country and around the world expressing what they're seeing and they're shocked. And try getting into an oncologist right now for an appointment. It's darn near impossible. They're so backed up. Try getting in for a mammogram, try getting in for a screening of any sort where those immunologic patterns that I mentioned nine months ago under the microscope continue. The depletion of certain sets of cells that keep cancers in check is absolutely happening.  Thankfully, more people are coming to the fore sharing what they're seeing as well. I do have some colleagues around the world that are speaking up. I was lucky enough to be in Europe a couple of weeks ago with a large meeting, and got together privately with several other pathologists confirming that, no, I'm not crazy. They're seeing the same thing. They're cautious on how they approach it as well. One's career is on the line for telling the truth these days.
Mr. Jekielek:
I want to talk about these cells that clean things up, phagocytes, if I recall correctly.
Dr. Cole:
The little garbage truck cells. Yes.
Mr. Jekielek:
Yes, exactly. What you're basically talking about is the immune system has been somehow compromised in people where this is happening.
Dr. Cole:
Mr. Jekielek:
So explain that.
Dr. Cole:
Your immune system, for a simple way of thinking, you have an immediate-reacting arm of it, and you have a slow-acting arm. Your immediate arm is your innate immune system. That's your phagocytes, your dendritic cells, your natural killer cells. They're the Marines of the immune system. They're ready at a moment's notice when something comes to attack; gobble, it’s gone. Your adaptive immune system, that's all your antibodies. What are your antibodies? That's a delayed response. 
The B cells become plasma cells and become trained to remember, so that in the future when they encounter an infection, they can ramp up an antibody response. They work in tandem, these two arms of the immune system. But there are countless papers now in the literature, [inaudible] was one of the early ones out of the Netherlands, [inaudible] which did a study on the Pfizer vaccines showing that these Marines of the immune system were no longer reacting in the robust manner they normally do.
When an invader comes in, they're ready to react. Then, with each unit of that system, there's little pattern recognizers, “Okay, you remember this and this,” these little toll-like receptors. “You fight off this virus, you fight off that virus, you fight off this bacteria, you fight off that fungus.” There are all these little pattern signals that the body has. Now, those are down-regulated too. Now the body goes, “Okay, I have fewer Marines on the front line. The ones I do have aren't doing their job and aren't working. Nobody's remembering the pattern of what they're supposed to fight.” 
Now you have a perfect storm for the ability of other infections to infect the human body. We saw this last year when RSV (respiratory syncytial virus) in children was out of season. Then, we saw adults getting RSV and being hospitalized with this respiratory syncytial virus, which is usually only threatening to newborns and children under the age of one due to the size of their windpipe.
Not just that, but countless papers now talk about the reactivation of shingles. There are so many upticks of shingles. There were certain papers showing the spike protein being present in those shingles' lesions. It's concerning, because these are things where the immune system would normally say, “Oh, we'll keep that in check. We'll keep that in check. We'll keep that in check.” But that innate, immediate responsive arm is not as robust as it's supposed to be in the majority of people that have received the shots. 
We don't know for how long that pattern is expressed in each individual. Everybody's biologically unique, so it's prudent to say not everybody's having that, thankfully. A lot of people got different doses, in terms of the number of doses they got. And there is also the purity of vials, purity of injection, purity of product. That's another big question we can talk about in a bit if you'd like to.
But it really begs the question, “How long are these individuals going to remain in this immune-suppressed state?” The other critically important thing with these immune patterns that have shifted is some of those cells are the same ones that do keep these cancers in check. What is the reason you and I don't have cancer right now?  You do, I do, she does, he does, we're sitting here, and we have a handful of atypical cells every day. 
We have these surveyors, these natural killer-cells shaking hands with every cell in our body right now. You have 30 billion T-cells circulating, and so do I. They're shaking hands with every cell saying. “Friend or foe? Friend or foe? Mutated, not mutated?” And if it's mutated, they poke a little hole in it, throw a little hand grenade. That cell is gone and we're good. Simple as that. 
But those cells are now gone in many of these individuals, or so weak that they can't do their job of keeping those cancers in check. That's why I keep hearing the reports. It’s one of the reasons I keep hearing reports of wildfire cancers in many patients. It seems to be a dose-accumulated effect, the spike has dose-dependent toxicity. The more spike you get, the longer your body keeps making it, and the more adversely many systems are affected.
Mr. Jekielek:
Are we talking about spike coming from COVID, or are we talking spike coming from vaccines, or both?
Dr. Cole:
To be fair, both. But interestingly, spike from a natural infection doesn't persist as long. The immune system, when it encounters COVID for the first time, if you haven't had the immune suppression of the shot, you have a broad non-specific response to any infection. Normally, in individuals that are reasonably immune competent, your body's going to clear that entire virus and spike within seven to 10 days. 
Personally, when I had COVID back in December—I suffer from chronic mononucleosis, Epstein-Barr virus, from before the pandemic and it waxes and wanes and my body keeps it in check, and I do a lot of different things to try to keep in check—after I had COVID it got worse for a couple of weeks. That spike protein, whether from the natural infection or from the injection, can do these same things.
The challenge is, when we look at the work of Dr. Roltkin out of Stanford that she published in the journal Cell, that spike, that pseudouridine of the mRNA shots doesn't get broken down in the body. That's the messenger RNA. You're making billions of messages right now for every cell in your body, and so am I. After that message says, “Okay, you've made enough protein or enough of this for the cell, or enough of that to make that enzyme,” then in minutes to hours that mRNA breaks down and stops. 
These synthetic injections, Dr. Roltkin in her study found they were persisting for at least 60 days in the lymph nodes, at least 60, at which point she stopped, so she could publish. So, we know the sequence is persisting in the body for at least 60 days. But in her study they also showed that the spike protein was persisting in circulation as well, and in the lymph nodes.
So, we know that spike protein from the injections is present for a much longer period of time. Now the naysayers will say, “Oh, but it's such a small amount.” Yes, but you can kill someone with this much cyanide and this much fentanyl. When something's toxic, it's toxic. So to have spike proteins circulating in just minute levels can still trigger all these immune system harms. From the injections, we know it's persisting longer. 
Now some people will say, “What about Novavax, it's just a protein?” But it's still a spike protein. And that spike protein is a pretty high dose in Novavax. It does have a black box warning that it can go to the heart and cause myocarditis at higher rates than some of the other shots. They don't get an out on that either. That spike protein, plain and simple, is pathophysiologically toxic to the human body.
Mr. Jekielek:
I want to talk a lot about this. This is your purpose of being here today.
Dr. Cole:
I'm the science nerd. It's true.
Mr. Jekielek:
But before I go there, I want to find out more about what's happened with your career, and with your pathology lab. Eight, nine months is a long time.
Dr. Cole:
It's been a bumpy road. With health and wellness in life, and when the oath I took to help patients is on the line, I won't quit what I'm doing. I've taken a lot of darts from adversarial media companies, adversarial insurance companies, adversarial hospital systems, and a lot of criticism. I've had a 26-year-long career of being a physician. I've seen 500,000 patients in that career. I have yet to have one patient care complaint against me in 26 years. Never had a lawsuit. 
Now all of a sudden I find myself in the crosshairs for sharing science. Because of that, I lost one of my major insurance contracts for my, "unprofessional behavior," of talking about Ivermectin and helping save a handful of lives with that for free. I never charged a patient. Then they say, “Well gosh, you're a pathologist.” I did years of emergency medicine, years of family medicine, years of dermatology. I never quit being a doctor. I'm the doctor to the doctor, as a laboratory physician now.
I lost a major contract there to the point that I lost a lot of employees. My business has gone down. My blood business has been affected drastically to where I'm turning that over to another independent laboratory. Now, my name is mud in my region, even though I seem to be a folk hero in some people's eyes. I never quit being a good pathologist. 
I trained at the Mayo Clinic. I trained at the best institution in the world. I've seen the weirdest cases in the world. I even have one of my friends, a physician, saying, “You're a great pathologist, but I have patients complaining, ‘You're not sending to him, are you?’” That’s because of what the media says about me, not because I don't have a good diagnostic skill set and a broad knowledge base.
So yes, I'm taking it on the chin financially. I have six daughters, four are in college right now. I have a family to feed too. I've invited anyone and everyone in the world, “If you disagree with me, bring better data.” Crickets. Nine months ago we talked about this, and crickets. Nine months later, I've yet to have a colleague say, “I want to sit down and show you where you're wrong.” Because I'm always willing to be wrong. That's science. Science is asking the question and testing the hypothesis and saying, “We could be right or wrong, but let's prove it.” 
But yes, life's been a little rougher for me. Thankfully, I have some transitional things I'm working on. I've become somewhat of a medical educator, which I enjoy. And I'm still writing my book that will come out soon. I’m working on some podcasts and videos I've been doing with other individuals. I'll be doing more autopsy services for families around the world, as I get a lot of those requests now—was that the vaccine or wasn't it the vaccine?
Mr. Jekielek:
I was looking at one of your slides. The slide basically showed spike protein in the blood vessel.
Dr. Cole:
Yes, in the endothelial lining of the blood vessel.
Mr. Jekielek:
That's right. Yes.
Dr. Cole:
This is something that has been frustrating. In pathology, for eons, decades and decades and decades, we've had the ability to isolate proteins within cells. Any cell in your body has hundreds, if not thousands of different types of proteins. We can determine, by making a very specific antibody for that protein and tagging a little antibody to its tail, that when it binds to it, we know that it's present. And on the tail of that second antibody, we can put what's called a chromogen, a color to make it glow. 
To put under the microscope, we can take any tissue in the body. If someone has a lung cancer, it'll have a certain type of Keratin. If someone has a ovarian cancer, it'll have a different type of Keratin. There's a lot of different cytoskeleton Keratins in the body. We can stain these and have been able to do this forever in medicine.
With the onset of SARS-CoV-2, these spike proteins have had a very specific protein shape. You can take these proteins, inject them into a hamster or a rabbit or a goat, and they'll make an antibody against it. Then you can isolate those antibodies. Now, we can use those in the laboratory against very specific protein pieces. You don't even have to do the whole thing, you can do just one segment of it. Then, you make it glow, and then you look at it under the scope. With those vessels, these little dots, it's like everywhere that I see that color glow, now I know spike protein is present. 
And so, we've seen this. It's in the medical literature now. There was a necrotizing encephalitis, that was the one I was showing you that had just been published in an older gentleman that passed away. His heart was also replete with spike protein as well. With this spike protein, we can identify it in any tissues where it's present, or absent. Then, the question becomes, is it from the vaccine? Good question.
We also stain for the nucleocapsid. If it were a whole viral infection, both proteins would be identifiable and present in that same tissue. When the nucleocapsid is absent and only the spike is present, then we know that it is from those persistent vaccinal spike proteins that are circulating and depositing throughout the body. 
Some universities, thankfully, are starting to do some studies and report. I have a good friend at a large university. I asked her at a meeting about six months ago, “Hey, why aren't you sharing these things?” She said, “Well, I'd lose my job.” I'm like, “Yes, I get that. I understand that conundrum.” But she confirmed. 
And now thankfully, her university just published a series on three patients and the spike harms causing breakdown of the muscles, the spike protein causing myositis, and the breakdown of muscles. She proudly texted me, “Hey look, we got it published.” I'm like, “You go.” It's nice to see other scientists finally stepping up and doing what I know the profession can do. These are very smart people, and they shouldn't be afraid of real science.
Mr. Jekielek:
In the pathology that you have done, how often is it the disease, versus the vaccine spike?
Dr. Cole:
Early on we saw a lot of COVID fingers and toes. COVID primarily was a clotting disease. Now that Omicron is here, it's not as much of a clotting disease. We don't see the same pathophysiology. I call it COLDVID now, not COVID. That's one thing that has changed, because in the majority of people it's a cold, a common cold. The vaccinal spike is still the original Wuhan spike. That's the clotting spike. 
The Omicron spike is not the clotting spike. When I see individuals, it's roughly a 20-fold less clotting effect that we see from Omicron, compared to the Wuhan, the Alpha, the Delta, the Gamma, the earlier variants. It's just acting differently, because of the mutations it has acquired. With that vaccinal spike and the early variant spike, the S1 and the S2 split off, because of that little furin cleavage protein.
And then, the S1 circulates and becomes very inflammatory, and that's what we identify in those tissues we were talking about. With Omicron that doesn't happen. Because of that, we now know the vaccine is more dangerous than the virus itself, because the vaccine still has all those pro-clotting abilities, has all those inflammatory abilities, whereas the spike from Omicron does not. 
The fact that the Wuhan spike is still present in any of these vaccines, when in circulation it went extinct more than a year-and-a-half ago, is now really perplexing. It's an extinct virus. We're vaccinating against something that doesn't exist anymore, technically, and has all the risk, with zero benefit. It can still cause the clotting, it can trigger those inflammatory pathways, it can get into the nucleus of our T cells that we're talking about. It can get into our mitochondria and destroy our mitochondrial function, which is the respiration of every cell in our body.
It can bind to the abundant ACE2 receptors on ovarian cells. It can destroy metabolic pathways to where your liver becomes fatty. It can destroy kidney capacity. It causes brain fog, because it can cross the blood brain barrier. Omicron doesn't do that. It may to a tiny degree, so don't quote me as saying never—never say never. Omicron is mutating, and I have reports from colleagues in the Upper Midwest saying they're seeing more pulmonary COVID again. But I don't know if that's in vaccinated individuals or the unvaccinated. The probability is the vaccinated, based on data coming out of other countries.
Mr. Jekielek:
This is a major question for me, where are the spike harms manifesting?
Dr. Cole:
Okay. The first one is what you brought up early, and that's reactivated viruses. Again, personal confession, with Epstein-Barr, it is no fun to have chronic fatigue syndrome. People see me and they're like, “Oh, he's the energizer bunny.” I'm like, “Yes, for three or four hours a day, but then you don't see how much I have to try to recover and crash.” I understand that vaccine injury feeling of this chronic fatigue feeling. So, number one, with reactivated Epstein-Barr, my colleague Dr. Urso says in about half of his fatigued patients, it's reactivated viruses that he's seeing. I don't judge what people do—if you got a shot, or didn't get a shot, people were doing what they thought was best at the time. What I say now is, if you've got one, don't get two. If you got two, definitely don't get three. If you got three, please don't get four.
Because now Wuhan is gone. The Moderna only covers BA.1 and Wuhan, both extinct. Pfizer covers Wuhan plus a fragment of BA.4 and BA.5, which are on the wane, because now we're seeing the new variants come up. Now we have two expired products for two extinct viruses—but that spike can cause reactivation of viruses. 
Epstein-Barr virus is the one that causes a lot of fatigue in patients. There’s also other herpes family viruses, cytomegalovirus (CMV), and we're seeing an uptick in Lyme disease. We are seeing an uptick in unusual viruses, like Parechoviruses in children. Parainfluenza viruses normally don't hospitalize adults, but now we're seeing adults hospitalized with those. 
It's about the immune system's inability. So, that's one—reactivation of other diseases because of immune suppression. Number two, mitochondrial harm. So, I mentioned mitochondria. Every cell in your body has mitochondria, and they're the powerhouse of your cell. They're responsible for making ATP as their end product.
Why does a hummingbird's wings fly so fast? Because they're making countless copies of ATP so quickly. Very, very energetic cells. The spike protein will disrupt metabolism, and disrupt those pathways in the mitochondria. Dr. Cluff out of Poland and Dr. Abramovic looked at this, and they were able to show this, especially in neural tissue. 
Talking about brain fog, the individuals you hear say that so much, it's because the mitochondria are being harmed. That spike is getting in there. I'll give you a picture to show in this presentation of that spike in the brain tissue. That mitochondria now is damaged, it can't produce as much ATP. 
Now, these neural cells are about the equivalent of the cells in a brain tumor. They're slow, they're mushy, they're not quick to react. That can happen in cardiac tissue. Another paper that I'll present tomorrow has that clearly stated. That can happen in ovarian tissue, that can happen in muscle tissue. So, one is virus, two is mitochondria.
Three, cardiac damage. We know that the spike protein gets into the heart tissues. That spike protein will induce all those other inflammatory cells to come in and now swell the heart. There was a really interesting study on cardiomyopathy, that swelling ballooning of the heart in a mouse model, and it swelled the heart by 30 per cent. 
I have the tissues of triathletes that died on their swim—these are peak performers—a week or two after their second shot. The autopsy from the medical examiner's office was Cardiomegaly. But they didn't look for spike protein. Again, I'm encouraging all my colleagues, if you have the ability to do this, do this now. Every coroner and every medical examiner has the ability to do this. 
These sudden adult deaths that we're hearing about that are unusual weren't happening in 2020 during the COVID outbreak, and weren't happening in early 2021 before the younger cohort were mandated to get the shots. They started happening in late 2021, and have continued as people start getting this third and fourth shot.
There is an ability for any and every pathologist in the world, not just me, any and all of them can look for this. They can find that spike protein in those cardiac tissues. It can destroy any tissue in the body. The spike itself doesn't destroy the tissue. The spike lands and then it triggers an inflammatory reaction. The body wants to react to it. Then, all those inflammatory cells release cytokines and chemicals that will end up munching away those tissues. 
There's the fertility question, and I will get criticized for this. We know that the lipid nanoparticle goes to the ovaries. We know how much the eggs in the ovaries express ACE2 during their developmental cycles, and the spike protein binds there. What does the inflammatory system do? The same thing it's doing to those other organs. So, in Germany, there is a 20 per cent decrease in first quarter 2022 of fertility rates, same thing in Sweden, same thing in Taiwan, same thing in other Scandinavian countries. Correlation doesn't equal causation, but as a pathologist, that's a concerning area I've seen as well, in terms of the spike protein affecting hormonal cycles.
Even if the woman isn't trying to get pregnant, that spike protein can go to the brain, can go to our feedback loops of our endocrine system in the brain and our endocrine organs and feedback and mess up our hormonal cycles. We've seen a lot of that in the laboratory. Spike protein can go to the adrenal glands, the autonomic nervous system, and the sympathetic-parasympathetic nervous system. It can affect your blood pressure, your ability to rev up or relax, fight or flight, that all gets messed up. 
The spike will go to the chromaffin cells of the adrenal gland, all sorts of things. In addition to that, that spike protein will inflame the blood vessels, the endothelial lining. And this gets into the clotting cascades. This is highly, highly concerning. Again, that Wuhan spike that's on these shots isn't on Omicron. Omicron is a new variant.
That shot has that very thrombogenic clot-inducing spike protein. And there are receptors all throughout our body on our platelets, and on those endothelial linings on our red blood cells. Once that spike binds, it just starts this whole little cascade, this little waterfall of this chemical binding this, this, this, this, and this. What you end up with is micro-clots and macro-clots. Many people have seen the macro-clots that I've shown in a couple of the interviews. Thankfully, I've received some from living patients. 
People will criticize and say, “Oh gosh, that's just blood pooling postmortem.” No, I've done a lot of autopsies in my career. The blood, postmortem, yes, it clots and congeals, but it's kind of red and jellylike. They aren't white and rubbery, postmortem clots are not. I've worked with some interventional radiologists that have pulled some of these out of blocking vessels, and they're identical to the postmortem ones. They're made up of a lot of thick deposited protein. Many of them have spike protein deposited in them, because that spike triggers these cascades to clot.
Some post-COVID patients have, the long haul patients have this problem, micro-clotting. Some natural things can break down the fibrin in the clots like nattokinase, which is an enzyme from a fermented soy product. A lot of people have found success with that. Just enough, not too much. You don't want to cause bleeding. 
But we're finding different things, and that's part of the reason we're here at this conference. I get to be the Debbie Downer and show all the harms, and my colleagues will show the options we're learning about day by day to try to reverse some of these harms. So, clotting is a huge problem with this spike protein.
Interferon. Interferon is a very important chemical that your cells make to recruit cells to react to either infections or cancer. Interferon is suppressed by the spike protein. That's another harm of the spike protein. There are medicines that can re-rev up your Interferon. Some of them are the drugs that shall not be named. Interestingly too, Ivermectin. But Ivermectin also binds one of the clotting receptors, the CD147 receptors. Some of these miracle rebound patients that many colleagues have seen around the world that were in the ICU and given up for dead were given high doses of Ivermectin. 
I have a colleague in South Africa who saw a patient literally reperfuse her body before her eyes, once she got the dose high enough, because it will literally bump the spike protein off the CD147 receptor. All of a sudden, competitively, Ivermectin and the spike vie for that or compete for that site. But when there's enough Ivermectin in circulation and it pushes that off, now the spike can't cause those clots to hold together.
Let me go back real quick, because I remember I mentioned the ovaries and the eggs. A study came out of Israel showing decreased sperm counts, and sperm motility as well. This is one frustration I have. There was a study out of Sweden, a very good study that investigated the spike in vitro, in glass, not in the human body, and asked, “Could portions of that spike reverse transcribe into our own DNA?” The answer was yes. The whole spike protein, no, but sequences of it could. 
Now the question is, in a large community laboratory that's a lot smaller than it used to be, serving patients in the community, we don't have the resources to say, “Okay, I'm going to do this gene sequence study on this organ or this vax-injured patient or this individual.” This is where there's kind of a call to action. A lot of medicine, if we want real science, is no longer going to be done by the big journals, because they're corrupted and biased by the pharmaceutical funders that tell them what they can and can't publish.
The NIH controls the purse strings of what kind of studies need to be done. If we want true pure science with no bias, the answer is that we need to be able to look at things, whether the answer is convenient or not, to look at whatever narrative is out there, whether it be a cancer narrative, a COVID narrative, or whatever. Science shouldn't have an agenda. 
Science should have the goal of learning, so that it can improve humanity. Sometimes in science we prove the negative. “Okay, this wasn't the answer, let's find the next thing.” Or, “This wasn't present, great, we proved that's not the cause.” But like this reverse transcription question, why hasn't a university that has big resources repeated that same study with tissue from people? There's no good answer, other than they're afraid of losing funding.
Mr. Jekielek:
You would think this would be of great social interest.
Dr. Cole:
Absolutely, to all of humanity. With the billions that have received these injections the question is, “Why aren't we doing these things?” The short answer is fear, repercussion, reprisal. I didn't go into medicine for the big three letter agencies. I didn't go into medicine for an administrator or a hospital. I went into medicine for a patient. We have this oath that we took to the patient, that Hippocratic Oath is to the patient. 
We have primum non nocere, “First, do no harm.” Well, that's a harm of commission. Sure, you don't want to harm the patient. But what about the harm of omission by not doing the science that one could do that could potentially help a lot of patients? We have a societal apology as a medical profession that is owed to humanity for not doing all of these things earlier in this pandemic.
Not only early treatment, but these studies that have been widely available but not funded. My colleagues and I in the groups that I run in have been trying to do what's right. Most of us have lost everything, but at the end of the day, we've kept our integrity. I like to say that integrity is the distance between your lips and your actions. 
And so, it's time for integrity and science to happen again. It's time for my colleagues in those large ivory towers, and it's time for the scientists in those federal agencies to step up and say, “Okay, we messed up, but we'll do science going forward.” Am I hopeful? Not really.
Mr. Jekielek:
By the way, I don't think we actually talked about myocarditis, which is the one that people tend to know about. What strikes me is that the scale of the harms is quite large, or at least in order of magnitude greater than other traditional vaccines of the past, even the hotter ones as they are called. I just don't think it's something that can be hidden for long. 
Dr. Cole:
Mr. Jekielek:
The call that you're making seems to be also in the self-interest of people. The people that start doing this work will be seen as basically doing the right thing in the not too distant future, unless we go into some terrible, terrible, dystopian nightmare future.
Dr. Cole:
I'm aware of a colleague in a situation like that. He sits on one of these fairly draconian boards and he's now vaccine-injured. He saw on his chart, there was a space for his fourth shot. After having severe ringing in his ears, tinnitus, and a couple of other physiologic things, he's woken up. Now, he's a voice from within to say to these more oppressive agencies, “Guys, I'm now harmed.” 
These people are telling the truth. The Zogby poll showed 15 per cent of people since the rollout of the shots have a new medical condition, so that's societally significant. Well, what's the good news on the corollary? 85 per cent were fine. A lot of people got duds as far as some rounds of the shot went, in terms of lining up in hot stadiums, with lipids turning to mush and RNA degrading.
Mr. Jekielek:
Okay, wait a second, I'm going to stop you. This is fascinating, right? Basically you're saying that you believe the harms aren't greater, because people got bad vaccines.
Dr. Cole:
The ones that got the dose they were supposed to get are the ones that got harmed. The other vials were degraded, and there wasn't enough product there to actually trigger these reactions.  I have some data that will be coming out. It will be published on a large platform in a couple of weeks, looking at the biochemical distribution in about 130 different vials of the ratios of different chemicals in those vials. And they're not the same. They're not all the same. 
The good news is a lot of people are fine. Now, remember these are multi-use vials, so once that nurse puts that first one in, now she's put oxygen in there, and you start getting oxidative stress on the ingredients, as well as the vial is warming up. The warmer it becomes, the less intact the RNA becomes. But the less that RNA is intact presents another problem.
A known cause of cancer is exposure to short sequences of RNA. At the European Medicines Agency, there were leaked emails where they said they would allow Pfizer to only have 50 per cent purity in their vials. This was early on. What that means is there are incomplete RNA sequences that don't code for the whole spike protein, but code for who knows what? 
I'll present this tomorrow. There are countless papers and literature that show the risks and harms of these shorter RNAs making atypical proteins that can cause atypical pathways of mutation in cells. So, some people were fine, but for a lot of people, we don't know. Some people are obviously harmed, and more people are becoming aware of it as they see it in their environment with family members and friends. More people are aware of the acute increase in excess mortality across the world.
I know Ed Dowd and the insurance groups have been very onto that. You look at the country of Iceland, a small country, 350,000-ish people, one of the most compliant nations in terms of the shot. And in July, just a few months ago, their excess mortality rate above a five year average was 56 per cent. Astronomical. 
Mr. Jekielek:
56 per cent above normal?
Dr. Cole:
Above normal. Yes. We have these ups and downs in mortality every year. These are charts and graphs the actuaries keep. In the month of July, if you look three years ago, here's your average death rate, 56 per cent above that. Now Portugal, 30-ish per cent above average, Spain 30-ish per cent above average, a couple of other European nations, 10, 12, 15 per cent above average. And these are in young, healthy cohorts. 
That's what is interesting. It's not just, “Oh gosh, well, old people die.” Of course they do. All of us are going to. But these are people in the prime of their life, if you look at the uptick and the rates of data. Every day I hear from a colleague, “Oh, I got another one, another friend passed away, another person lost their 15-year-old, someone just lost their nine-year-old, someone just lost their 40-year-old dad.”
Then, my question would be, “When did they get their most recent shot?” Those pathways of harm that we've been discussing, that's where the elephant in the room is—the elephant in the room. This, again, is the call to action. Every coroner, every medical examiner needs to test for a spike protein, in a nucleocapsid stain on every organ in the body of every young deceased person. Simple as that. And if they won't, I'll do it.
Mr. Jekielek:
From your experience, and that of your colleagues, how long does this spike protein persist in the body?
Dr. Cole:
That is an excellent question, and that's been very frustrating for me. Nobody knows. The honest answer is we don't know. A lot of people have very competent immune systems. We know a lot of people after having the infection cleared very quickly. There were some autopsy studies showing people had the virus several months later from the infection proper. 
Bruce Patterson did some work that showed in circulating macrophages, Type 2 monocytes, spike protein was present and circulating in those cells 15 months after a severe infection. Now, from the vaccine, we know at least 60 days from the Dr. Roltkin trial, Dr. Bonsall in the Journal of Immunology showed that it was circulating in exosomes for at least four months. Dr. Burkhardt's autopsy studies out of Germany show deposition of spike protein at least four months after the prior injection.
So, the honest answer is we don't have one complete trial, be it mammal model or human model showing when the mechanism shuts off. Thankfully, most people, it would appear their body clears it reasonably quickly. But we don't know the genetic predisposition of the type of individual that is holding onto virus for a long time. 
We know of the immune suppressed, a lot of chemo patients, a lot of cancer patients. There was one lymphoma patient, as they watched him over hundreds of days, literally brewed variant after variant after variant, because his body could do nothing against it, as a lymphoma leukemia patient. It's an unknown. I wish I knew the answer.
Mr. Jekielek:
Let's briefly talk about myocarditis. I do want to talk about clotting a bit more as well. But recently, Surgeon General of Florida, Joseph Ladapo, has offered new guidance saying men under 39 shouldn't get these genetic vaccines, because of dramatic increase of myocarditis harms or deaths. How does this comport with what you're seeing? And what are you seeing?
Dr. Cole:
I agree with him 1000 per cent. And I would say not only these genetic vaccines, but with Novavax, the spike in that one is also a known to cause myocarditis at increased rates, as well as the genetic vaccines. Recently, Norway said under age 65, unless you have a preexisting condition, the vaccines are not recommended. Quietly in the UK, their advisory data just did the same thing for anyone under 50. 
I love Dr. Ladapo, a great, great guy. I've met him before, been at a conference with him and he's a thinker. This is a Harvard, UCLA guy. He's no dummy. He knows data. I've seen the media criticize him for this decision. But what they did was very typical. If you go back to all the other vaccines, they're trying to tease out a signal in data. He did the required studies that have been done historically, and came to this conclusion.
I think it's a rational conclusion. Young men in these cohorts don't have risk for death from this disease, especially now that we have Omicron, COLDVID not COVID. So, we're requiring people, we're requiring our military, our young healthy people to get vaccinated. The school systems in certain regions are still trying to get kids to get these shots that they don't need, for number one, a disease that's extinct, as I mentioned, in terms of the variants, and for a disease for which they're at no risk. 
We're putting their hearts at risk. Now, with myocarditis, you hear a lot of people say, “Oh, it's mild, don't worry about it.” There's no such thing as mild myocarditis. There was a study last year that looked at myocarditis in athletes, For half of athletes it was subclinical, meaning they didn't know their heart was inflamed, but on scan their heart was inflamed.
There was another study that came out and showed in these children that had myocarditis several months later they still had gadolinium signal, which means they had scar. It's not like their myocarditis was readily resolving. The long term sequela of myocarditis is fibrosis of that heart muscle. There are two pathways of harm from these shots for myocarditis. 
Number one is that spike protein getting into those tissues. Number two, Dr. Gill in the Archives of Pathology published two post mortems on two teenage boys that both died after their second mRNA shots. They had a pattern that suggests catecholamine, an adrenal dump, a kind of flight or flight response. They had excess catecholamines and that can cause the heart to go into atypical rhythms. Then, the electrical signals stop, and one passes away very quickly. 
Some studies have suggested the amyloid-like protein that we're seeing in these clots. Amyloid, because of the spike protein, can also start accumulating between the heart fibers, and then your heart becomes stiffer and less elastic. So, there are multiple mechanisms of harm for inflammation of the heart.
There are multiple pathways to treatment, but the longterm outcome for myocarditis patients isn't great, statistically. So, I think it was very astute, and very scientifically proper for Dr. Ladapo. I would encourage every surgeon general in every state in this nation to follow his example. We know the mechanisms. I will give you every mechanism and every paper on the mechanisms of harm to any colleague that wants them. We know the statistics from around the world, and we see the other nations doing the right thing by stopping this. 
We are putting a young generation in harm's way for a disease for the which they're at no risk. It makes no sense. There's no common sense and there's no logic for us to be doing this. It makes no sense. This is not medicine. This is for who knows what? Power, corruption, I don't know. But this isn't medicine. This is an experiment.
This is not an approved shot, because if it were an approved shot, after a handful of these myocarditis signals, for instance, why don't we have Comirnaty in the U.S.? Because all that reporting would go into the federal agencies, and they would have to pull it from the market. Why do we only still have the emergency authorized experimental products on the market? 
Because they have liability protection. They can harm the hearts of children. They can kill children with their spike protein, but they have no repercussion for it. That's why we're not giving children an approved product, because it would be pulled off the market post haste.
Mr. Jekielek:
There is this new bivalent vaccine. I actually don't know enough about it, but ostensibly it would be using this new Omicron spike in its development. Is that the product you would recommend?
Dr. Cole:
Not at all. Definitely not, because it still has the Wuhan spike on it. It's bivalent, meaning it has the Wuhan spike, and it has part of the Omicron spike on it, bivalent. That Wuhan spike is still the clotting spike, so if you get that in your body and it starts replicating all these mechanisms of harm, your body is still predisposed to do all those things. Now, Moderna has Wuhan and BA.1. BA.1 is extinct in humanity, so Moderna's product is moot, technically. It's all risk in terms of those harms we listed, with no advantage. 
It gives a small window of protection, supposedly. But in the first couple weeks you're actually more susceptible to any and all infection, because it immune suppresses you. Most companies haven't told the public that. Why did we see so much COVID after the first shots? It's because people were immune suppressed. So, this is going to do the same thing again.
Most people have had COVID, variant one, variant two, earlier variants and Omicron. Most people have a broad enough immunity. Unfortunately, every time you get a shot, you're putting blinders on the horse. Your immune system becomes more and more and more and more narrowed. This is called immune imprinting. We keep presenting this spike, the old Wuhan spike, and this new Omicron spike. Now the body isn't going to be able to recognize new variants. Now, you're a sitting duck when a worse variant does come along. That's immune imprinting. 
There's a lot of literature on that now showing that the more shots you get, the more narrowed your immune response is. Fascinatingly, there's even a paper that just came out last week showing that there's a similar protein in the flu shots that can actually make COVID worse and vice versa. If you got COVID and got the flu shot, it can make your reaction to that worse. I want to say it's the H3N2 recombination, there's an overlap. We're seeing immune imprinting from other viruses too. The more people get this shot, the worse they're doing.
The same thing with Pfizer. Their bivalent is Wuhan sequence plus a portion of BA.4 and BA.5. Again, BA.4 and BA.5 are on the wane. We have a BA.4.6 that's on the rise, and we have XPB, or XBP Gryphon. There's a bunch of other little variants that are starting to uptick. And now, we have an expired product. The bivalent shots are now expired. They still have the Wuhan spike, they can still cause clotting, they can still cause myocarditis, they can still cause brain damage, they can still cause death. 
I wouldn't recommend any shot to anyone at this point. We have early treatments that can save lives. Geert Vanden Bossche, who I admire very much, and I have sat down and chatted about these things at dinner several times. We will continue to select for worse variants, if we continue pushing these dangerous spike protein shots into the human body. Without a doubt we will have worse variants, because we're doing the wrong thing to the human body.
Mr. Jekielek:
Let's talk about the clotting very briefly. We've had some shocking reporting around some of these clots that embalmers pulled. You spoke to this a little bit earlier, and you're describing them as white fibrous clots. Have you actually seen these?
Dr. Cole:
I have. I have several of those from the embalmers, and I have several from clinicians who pulled them from living patients. And they are white and fibrous. We have lots of proteins constantly circulating in our blood. We have our antibodies, we have our complements system, we have our blood cells proper. These are induced into a clumping pattern by the spike protein. 
Again, this is what's concerning with the shots. The S1 segment is known to be hypercoagulable in terms of causing proteins to clump, even in the absence of platelets. Platelets are just the little patches when you scrape your knee, and you're starting to ooze, and the platelets just start stacking on top of each other with the fibrin and form a mesh. You can take platelet-poor plasma, and Dr. Pretorius in South Africa has done most of the cutting edge work on the clotting cascades with COVID and these amyloid-like clots.
Even in the absence of platelets, the proteins still clump and stick together. And they're unusual. They're firm, they are rubbery, they're long. I have some that are a couple of feet long in some of the samples. I've looked at them under the microscope, and that spike protein is really what's inducing this clotting pathway. 
Now, your body needs oxygen. So, if you get one of these clots laying down somewhere in the body, can it now cause a heart attack? Sure. Can it cause a stroke? Sure. Can it cause infarction of the bowel? Absolutely. I've seen that in several cases. 
This is what's very frustrating, as I've heard so many case reports of patients going to the emergency room and the doctor ignoring their complaint. “Oh, it's all in your head.” No, they should ask them when they got the most recent shot, because these micro-clots can choke off oxygen to any organ.
It's interesting. A little aside, I'll have this in my talk tomorrow. We're seeing a lot more appendicitis after the shots. What we're seeing in a lot of these studies is inflammation around the appendix, and then on stains we're seeing spike protein there too. So again, this spike goes everywhere. The lipid nanoparticle takes the gene everywhere, and the spike goes everywhere. Then fingers clot with little clots, fingers and toes. People will choke off circulation to a digit and need an amputation. Just all sorts of things.
Mr. Jekielek:
It's incredible.
Dr. Cole:
It is incredible. Why are we still doing this to humanity is my question. We know the pathways of harm. And then the naysayers, “Oh, the spike isn't into toxin.” I'm like, “The cells don't lie.” And that's my defense. The cells don't lie. These people aren't looking at the cells under the microscope. They're not seeing the damage I am. Many of my colleagues are. The cells don't lie. If it's inconvenient to what you want to tell yourself, that's fine. But the cells don't lie. The clots don't lie. The damaged organs don't lie.
Mr. Jekielek:
How is it possible that there's so few pathologists that are talking about this?
Dr. Cole:
Institutional fear. The majority of large pathology groups are talking about it privately, just not publicly. Pathologists tend not to be a very gregarious group of people. What's the difference between an extroverted and an introverted pathologist? The extroverted one looks at your shoes when he's talking to you. 
They tend to be a very quiet, reserved group. Very intelligent people, very well trained, but I think the challenge is that a lot of them in the university settings have large grants. They know if they speak out against the NIH's narrative, they won't get funding. Some of the private groups fear what I experienced, and that's cancellation by their medical community and their insurance companies if they speak out against the narrative. 
So, I think it’s fear. I'm not the only one that knows these things I'm sharing with you. There are plenty that have shared in private that they're seeing them. Silence is contagious, but so is courage. I would encourage my colleagues to be courageous. Tell the truth. Say what you're seeing. See something, say something.
Mr. Jekielek:
You told me something very encouraging when we were speaking earlier. You were describing possible research that could be done to potentially reduce myocarditis. I wanted to talk to you about the other side of what this conference is going to be about, which is how to deal with some of these things. You had this very interesting idea that you wanted to throw out there.
Dr. Cole:
Yes. This is kind of a fun idea that's out there. That's what my brain does, because I'm a synthesizer. I see the depth of everything, then I step back and I can identify all the trees. I'm the pathologist, yes, there's that stream. But look at the forest, look at the pattern. One of the patterns in myocarditis is up-regulation of a certain receptor called toll-like receptor four. That up-regulation will induce certain inflammatory pathways to start causing inflammation of the heart. We know in vitro we can down-regulate that receptor with something as simple as near-infrared light. 
Near-infrared light can penetrate up to about four inches through skin, through bone into the deep tissues of our body. It helps regenerate mitochondria, but it also down-regulates this receptor, which then hypothetically would down-regulate inflammation. So, something as simple as taking a number of patients with myocarditis, taking a near-infrared light panel and put it on the cardiac tissue—we know it works in vitro, completely, a very low risk intervention—and give 16, 20 minutes of exposure per day.
And then, check the inflammatory markers, do the follow up scans, simple studies like this. Use these out-of-the-box ideas when we have the plausible mechanisms already proven, and we have the pilot information available. Some of the traditional things, the steroids, the colchicine, and don't move your body for six months, sure. But what about constantly finding better things? 
That's what medicine should be doing, and what science should be doing—asking the questions and evolving. That's what I like about this conference. Again, I'm bringing the doom and gloom to begin with, and then kicking it to my colleagues and friends and saying, “Okay guys, what do we do to fix this?” There are things out there that we can try.
Are we going to do those on a university level? Hopefully, some of my colleagues will wake up and do these grants. Otherwise, regarding the public sector, if we want good medicine we're going to build parallel systems. That's going to happen. But we are going to need parallel philanthropists as well to prove or disprove the scientific theories that we're looking into. 
This has opened many of our minds into a broader view of health and wellness, and I'm grateful for that. That's a silver lining in all this chaos—health and wellness has become more important. A lot more people are more health conscious and aware. 
I always say, “Look, the best doctor in the room is here right now.” People are like, “Man, he's arrogant.” I'm like, “No, you are your own best doctor. Nobody knows your body better than you. And you get to choose what you do put, or don't put into it, and what you do, or don't do with it.”
This has opened up our eyes to the fact that we really haven't been able to depend on our public health agencies around the world. They have agendas, and the one thing they really haven't focused on is health and wellness. Not everybody, but a good number of people, thankfully, have woken up to that fact. They realize, “Okay, nobody's here to swoop in and rescue me.” 
We've seen enough of modern medicine and big systems treat people very poorly. The systems act in a broken fashion, so this gives people the opportunity to take charge of their own physical health and wellness. It also brings good people together to learn and teach each other and come up with new ideas and find people that'll help us carry out those ideas.
Mr. Jekielek:
Dr. Cole, any final thoughts as we finish?
Dr. Cole:
The world is still a good place, and there are still good people, in spite of all of this. So many of us have devoted our lives to this for these last two-and-a-half years. Let’s focus on each other, not the divisions. Let's come back together. Let's be kind. Let's listen again. Let's not let politics mess up medicine. Let's care about each other. We're all alive and awake today. It's always a new day, and let’s be grateful for it.
Mr. Jekielek:
Dr. Ryan Cole, it's such a pleasure to have you on the show.
Dr. Cole:
Thank you so much.
Mr. Jekielek:
Thank you all for joining Dr. Ryan Cole and me on this episode of American Thought Leaders. I'm your host, Jan Jekielek.
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