[WCS Special] Black Americans Are Thriving Under Trump: Kevin Jackson On Identity Politics

By Jan Jekielek
Jan Jekielek
Jan Jekielek
Senior Editor
Jan Jekielek is a senior editor with The Epoch Times and host of the show, "American Thought Leaders." Jan’s career has spanned academia, media, and international human rights work. In 2009 he joined The Epoch Times full time and has served in a variety of roles, including as website chief editor. He is the producer of the award-winning Holocaust documentary film "Finding Manny."
July 18, 2019 Updated: November 9, 2019

At the Western Conservative Summit, we sit down with Kevin Jackson, a conservative commentator and host of The Kevin Jackson Show to discuss identity politics, victim mentality, cultural Marxism, and the recent accusations that President Trump and Nancy Pelosi are racists.

Jan Jekielek: Kevin Jackson, excellent to have you on American Thought Leaders.

Kevin Jackson: Thank you. Glad to be here.

Mr. Jekielek: You’re the executive director of Black Sphere and Seeking Educational Excellence, and you’re here today at a Western Conservative Summit to talk about, among other things, identity politics, which is something I’m very interested in and very concerned about. Why don’t you tell us a little bit about your thoughts on identity politics?

Mr. Jackson: I think every policy decision that’s being made today, particularly in America and probably really around the world, is based on identity politics.

Mr. Jekielek: Wow.

Mr. Jackson: If you think about it, whether it’s an immigration policy in the border, they call America xenophobic, right? “Oh, they don’t want Mexicans here.” There are millions of Americans of Mexican heritage that we have no problem with, but when it comes to the left’s agenda and letting in illegals, then suddenly we become xenophobic. We are made up of every possible population of people on the planet. America is the biggest melting pot mosaic you can ever create. It is God’s gift to the world in that regard. And yet we are always facing identity politics. So whether it’s Joe Biden’s a racist or Donald Trump is a racist, or now Nancy Pelosi is actually being accused of being a racist by her own party, you can see identity politics.

But go anywhere in the world. Whether you go to places in Africa, it’s the Bantu against the Hutus, it’s one tribe against another. And that’s how the divisions occur. We are one America, but we don’t act that way because we have a division within this country who wants to see it destroyed.

And in the time where we are feasting, we’ve had a decade under Barack Obama where this country suffered mightily. In two years, Donald Trump has reversed the tide, and suddenly we got to hear about calls of racism, or you, being a male, Jan, you are toxically masculine. As am I, by the way. I exude masculinity. And I’m proudly so. But we’re supposedly toxically masculine, and we’re products of a rape culture and a host of other things.

So it’s always identity. You’re a white male. I’m a black male, so we have to already have some preconceived idea of who we are. It’s ridiculous. We are who we are.

Mr. Jekielek: We’re not judged based on who we are inside, let’s say. We’re only based on who we are outside or how we’re perceived to be on the surface.

Mr. Jackson: We’re not even allowed to speak before we’re judged about. At least allow me to have a conversation before you start prejudging. And what’s interesting is … conservatives are always accused of pre-judging and having all of these preconceived ideas of who people are. And we’re the ones going, “hey, let’s sit down and talk. I’m happy to talk to the LGBT community. I’m happy to talk to feminists. I’m happy to talk to open borders side.” I’m happy to talk to new world order people or any other crazy idea because in having that discussion, I guarantee you I can make a case for why a pragmatist like me would say why I don’t want open borders any more than I want to go home after I leave here and find somebody in my house that doesn’t belong there. This is where we’ve got to have these conversations and unfortunately we’re not having them.

Mr. Jekielek: Identity politics, where does it come from? Give me an overview.

Mr. Jackson: It comes from, in a word, money. There’s an old saying if there’s one lawyer in a town, he’ll starve to death. If there are two lawyers in a town, they’ll both thrive. We’re at a point where we’ve got to have two lawyers. The Democrats and the leftists who who spin identity politics daily, they talk about reparations for blacks. Again, whatever the issue may be for whatever special interest group it is, whether it’s the LGBT community, the black community, Latino community, women, or whatever. In any given time, if you look at any of those groups, we’re all thriving. Blacks are thriving in America. We are more employed than in any time in history. We have more business starts under Donald Trump. We have more home ownership, and I could go on. You name it.

But we’re still told that we’re in bad shape. Women are being told that there’s better places to live. I’d love to know where a woman could live more freely than in America. And what’s their big beef, grievance? Oh, well we make 28 cents less per hour. Well, you might pick better careers. Or here’s a suggestion: start your own companies, charge whatever you want, flip it, make it more of an imbalance. But instead, no, it’s somebody’s–probably a white male–who’s got their foot on the neck of black people, of Latinos, of women, or whomever else. And they’re the reason why it can’t get done.

If anybody stopped for one second and said, “wait a minute, we’re in a country where people come over here and, within one generation, are thriving.” There’s many examples of it. Nigerians, for example, are one of the most successful groups in the country, bar none. They are one of the most successful. So what’s their issue? Asians, when it comes to colleges and universities, they’re the top. When it comes to businesses and income, they’re second to Nigerians. What’s their issue? So when you look at all these problems, the only conclusion you can come to is there’s somebody who says, we’ve got to start a grievance issue in order to keep the money flowing.

Mr. Jekielek: I see. Very interesting. At Epoch Times, we’ve been accused of being an anti-communist media. And I’ve never disputed that, but this identity politics is closely tied to cultural Marxism, at least as I understand it.

Mr. Jackson: Correct.

Mr. Jekielek: Could you break that down a little bit for us?

Mr. Jackson: It’s probably a little too deep for the amount of time we have, but I’ll tell you this, it is a taught thing. If you can teach people to have a perceived grievance. And let’s use blacks, for example. Tell them, “you were slaves. America made you slaves, and America violated your civil rights.” And don’t even blame the right accusers, which happened to be the Democrats. And certainly don’t go back to the issue of slavery and how it began, where it was blacks who were making slaves of other blacks, right? Because then that takes your eye off the ball.

So if you teach me that I was robbed from another culture and another continent, brought to America and enslaved, mistreated, why should you love America, Kevin? Forget that we just had a black president. Forget that there are black multimillionaires running around this country. We are free to be and do whatever we want to be. And in 243 short years, we are now as free as anybody else in this country. Forget that.

I want you to grieve. I want you to be upset. I want you to be mad, because if I can make you mad, I can make you adopt my ideology. So that whole thing is being taught, and it’s a communist manifesto to make somebody hate what somebody else has. If you got a brand new bike and I don’t, I have to hate you for you having a bike. And I have to make sure that we both get bikes when in the end nobody gets a bike except the guy who started the fight.

Mr. Jekielek: Very interesting. I’ve actually heard it said that this thinking is rooted in jealousy.

Mr. Jackson: Oh, of course. Yeah. I would say [inaudible] jealousy. But again, look at any of the grievances in any of the grievance groups and ask yourself, what is their real issue? For example, blacks were complaining of the conditions that we have in this country. Look at where the most blacks are concentrated. [We are] 13 percent of the population, [but] in most big cities, we are well over 30 to 60, 70 percent of the population. So if you’re in Baltimore, you’re probably 50 percent of the population. Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago, you name it. So who runs those cities? Mostly Democrats and probably other blacks.

So where do our problems lie? They lie in [the fact that] we don’t have good housing, our neighborhoods are dangerous, we have the worst schools, we have the worst access to hospitalization, to jobs, etc. Who’s causing it? There’s not a white man, there’s not a Republican in sight that’s doing it.

So we create it for ourselves, yet we’re looking for scapegoats. And America has sickened of the idea of always making that scapegoat somebody that’s different than you and happens to be white. If we flip that in any way, shape, or form, and white people were complaining all the time about how the black man is running them out of the cities, people would look at white people like “you’re crazy!” You’re creating your own problem, but then positioning it as if somebody else is doing it.

That is a form of communism, where you get people to believe that we are one group, monolithically so, and we must all stick together no matter what. If a cop shoots a black kid in a city where the police chief is a black Democrat, the mayor is a black Democrat, everybody who’s on the police review board are Black Democrats, the guy that got shot was committing a crime against black people, etc. Let’s go find a white guy to blame. That’s ridiculous. And that’s where we are.

Mr. Jackson: Okay. What is your prescription?

Mr. Jackson: The prescription is we’ve got to start educating people in fighting our battles differently. We have to approach these problems. Not In the classic way. For example, if you were saying what I was saying, somebody might call you a racist.

Mr. Jackson: I would expect that.

Mr. Jackson: You would expect that. And what you have to say [is] my racism must be in math and it must be in reality, because the reality is black folks are in control of police, black folks are in control of their own politics, black folks are in control of their own destiny, black folks are in control of their lives, and yet you’re always looking for somebody white to blame. Why is that, black man? And if you have the guts, anybody looking at this camera and saying to themselves, “I have the guts to make that comment,” you’re probably well on your way to healing, because as long as you take it, believe me, somebody is going to be okay with it. I use this analogy all the time.

One of my cousins would always borrow $5 [from my other cousin]. And she says, “I hate when I see our other cousin, he always bumps $5 off of me.” And I go, “why do you hate him? He’s smart. He’s the one that knows you’re going to give him five bucks. What you should be hating is yourself, because you don’t have the guts to tell him, ‘no, I’m not giving you $5. Either pay back the last five bucks or the 30 bucks I’ve loaned you, or I’m not giving you any more.’ But when you give it to him every time you call him crazy? You’re crazy!”

So I say to white America, you’re crazy! If somebody’s making you feel guilty for something, “oh, you’re a racist.” How so? What black person have you oppressed?

Mr. Jekielek: Hopefully nobody.

Mr. Jackson: It’s funny how you say that—”hopefully.” “I don’t know. Let me see. Did I offend the coffee guy who got my coffee this morning?” You have not oppressed anybody. And that should be the first thing out of your mind, is I haven’t oppressed anybody, so why am I going to take your guilt any more than a white man coming up to me saying, “give me blah, blah, blah.” Shut up white boy, get out of my face. I’ve got nothing to do with you. You are in control of your life. I don’t have anything to do with it. Okay?

That’s where we’ve got to get to as a country. We have to ignore the cries of feminism, the cries of xenophobia, the cries of Islamophobia, the cries of of white nationalists and all this other nonsense, and say, we’re one country that has embraced every culture, creed, nonsensical idea on the planet. And if your ideas didn’t take off, it isn’t because somebody put their foot on your throat. It’s because your idea sucks.

Mr. Jackson: Kevin Jackson, it’s such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

Mr. Jackson: Mine as well.

This interview has been edited for clarity and brevity. 

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Jan Jekielek
Senior Editor
Jan Jekielek is a senior editor with The Epoch Times and host of the show, "American Thought Leaders." Jan’s career has spanned academia, media, and international human rights work. In 2009 he joined The Epoch Times full time and has served in a variety of roles, including as website chief editor. He is the producer of the award-winning Holocaust documentary film "Finding Manny."