Our Pursuit of Comfort Is Allowing Totalitarianism to Take Hold: Rod Dreher

By Masooma Haq
Masooma Haq
Masooma Haq
Masooma Haq began reporting for The Epoch Times from Pakistan in 2008. She currently covers a variety of topics including U.S. government, culture, and entertainment.
and Jan Jekielek
Jan Jekielek
Jan Jekielek
Senior Editor
Jan Jekielek is a senior editor with The Epoch Times and host of the show, "American Thought Leaders." Jan’s career has spanned academia, media, and international human rights work. In 2009 he joined The Epoch Times full time and has served in a variety of roles, including as website chief editor. He is the producer of the award-winning Holocaust documentary film "Finding Manny."
January 29, 2022 Updated: February 15, 2022

Rod Dreher, author of “Live Not by Lies,” believes that our fear of pain and struggle has been exploited by the elite class and created soft totalitarianism in the United States and in much of the West. He said we’re at a critical point and must push back against it to stop hard totalitarianism from taking hold.

“They’re terrified of anything that makes them anxious, any struggle they have,” Dreher told Jan Jekielek, host of “American Thought Leaders,” during a recent interview. “This is the source of the tyranny. We are so afraid to be poor … we’re afraid to be anxious, to be unhappy, that so many of us will do just about anything to avoid trouble and to protect our middle-class comfort.”

Before beginning his book, Dreher interviewed many people who emigrated from countries such as Soviet Russia, China, Czechoslovakia, Nazi Germany, Italy, and so on, as well as dissidents in their own countries about their experiences living under totalitarian rule.

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A bird behind barbed wire fences in Fort 13 of the Jilava Jail in Jilava, Romania, on Dec. 10, 2010. (Vadim Ghirda/AP Photo)

“I would simply ask them, ‘Are the things you’re seeing happening in America today, in terms of cancel culture—wokeness, things like that—does it remind you of what you left behind?’ Every single one of them said yes. And if you talked to them long enough, they would get really angry that Americans don’t take them seriously.”

More specifically, Dreher sees “wokeness” as people being forced to adopt progressive beliefs about identity, race, and gender theory. If we don’t, we face being canceled or at least labeled as racist or bigoted.

This wokeness has infiltrated institutions of higher learning, public schools, media, sports, entertainment, the military, medicine, and corporations.

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Sarah McBride, national press secretary of the Human Rights Collation, speaks on the introduction of the Equality Act, a comprehensive LGBTQ non-discrimination measure at the U.S. Capitol in Washington on April 1, 2019. (Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images)

“What the people who grew up under communism are seeing is that when you live in a society when people are afraid to say what they think for fear of losing their jobs or being sent to the social margins, when people come to realize there is only one opinion tolerated, whether it’s coming from the government or from the institutions in society, it’s still totalitarian,” Dreher said.

He believes that we’re following the path that all totalitarian countries follow and that the United States is at a critical juncture because everything has been politicized.

“If we don’t wake up now to what’s happening, we’re going to lose our freedom and the soft totalitarianism is going to turn hard,” Dreher said.

To illustrate how easy it is to overlook soft totalitarianism, he gave the example of Father Tomislav Kolakovic, a Jesuit priest, during the World War II era.

Kolakovic was doing anti-Nazi work in his homeland of  Zagreb, Croatia. Because he was facing arrest by the Gestapo, he escaped to his mother’s homeland, Slovakia. He told the people there that communism would come to rule their country and prepared them by forming an underground church.

Dreher said Kolakovic saw the warning signs from witnessing how communism took away freedoms in Soviet Russia.

Now Dreher says that those who value the freedoms in the United States need to push back against this woke mindset and speak out against these forced ways of thinking, like the parents in northern Virginia have been doing in schools.

“We saw in the fall of 2021 parents finally waking up to what was being done to their children in the schools and pushing back. I hope this happens everywhere,” he said.

Dreher was referring to parents going to school board meetings to object to the racialized curriculum, namely critical race theory, being taught to their children in the name of equity, where white children are told that they’re oppressors and privileged, and all students are told that they live in a culture of white supremacy.

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State actions on critical race theory, as of Nov. 22, 2021. (The Epoch Times)

The old totalitarianism achieved control by “inflicting pain and terror and fear on people to make them conform,” he said. But the current brand of totalitarianism “uses comfort to control people.”

Dreher said Hannah Arendt, a German Jewish refugee, tried to understand what led to Nazism in Germany and communism in Russia and found that atomization of the individual and mass loneliness were at the root of both movements.

“In fact, it’s Generation Z, the youngest people who are the most connected with this artificial social network,” Dreher said, and were found to be the loneliest. “Other factors that contributed to totalitarianism taking hold was that people lost faith in their religion and in authority figures.

“And this is widespread in our society today, both on the left and the right. When we lose the desire to know the truth, even if the truth hurts, even if the truth goes against what we want to believe … we are opening the door to totalitarianism.”

Totalitarianism seeks to eliminate anything that gets in the way of controlling the individual, including traditions and family bonds. Dreher said a former dissident in Prague told him that she read myths and classic literature to her children to counter the communist teachings.

“What she was able to do was to build their imaginations up, to love truth, to love goodness, to love virtue, especially the virtue of courage, so that when they got older and could participate in the movement, that they would naturally step into that,” he said.

Dreher said communists try to destroy traditional culture and history and see that happening here in the United States with the 1619 Project, which claims that the Revolutionary War was fought to preserve slavery, and the taking down of statues of our historical figures.

“When we look at what’s happening in Hollywood, what’s happening in our schools, they’re trying to take away American history, trying to stigmatize the history of the West,” he said.

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Vandals attempt to pull down the statue of President Andrew Jackson in the middle of Lafayette Park in front of the White House during racial inequality protests in Washington on June 22, 2020. (Joshua Roberts/Reuters)

“They removed the statue of Thomas Jefferson because he owned slaves. Look, nobody is claiming that American history is populated with saints. These were flawed men, who were great in their own time but had flaws—they’re human beings. We should be able to accept that, but these totalitarians, these neo-totalitarians, they demand ideological purity, and they’re trying to rewrite the past to make it serve their ideological program.

“We somehow think that our money and our wealth, our democratic history, is going to protect us from this. But as Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the great Soviet dissident, said, people around the world think that what happened in Russia can’t happen here. In fact, it can happen in any country on earth, under the right set of circumstances.”

Masooma Haq
Masooma Haq began reporting for The Epoch Times from Pakistan in 2008. She currently covers a variety of topics including U.S. government, culture, and entertainment.
Jan Jekielek
Senior Editor
Jan Jekielek is a senior editor with The Epoch Times and host of the show, "American Thought Leaders." Jan’s career has spanned academia, media, and international human rights work. In 2009 he joined The Epoch Times full time and has served in a variety of roles, including as website chief editor. He is the producer of the award-winning Holocaust documentary film "Finding Manny."