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Gun-Free Zones, Red Flag Laws Only Make Gun Crime Worse: Economist
Police tape at Geneva Presbyterian Church after a shooting left one dead and five injured in Laguna Woods, Calif., on May 15, 2022. John Fredricks/The Epoch Times
Michael Clements
By Michael Clements
4/16/2023Updated: 4/23/2023
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INDIANAPOLIS—Two of the most popular gun control proposals have little to no effect on gun crime and actually exacerbate the problem for the people they’re supposed to protect, according to economist, researcher, and author John Lott.

“Those are the people who are harmed,” Lott told seminar participants at the National Rifle Association’s Annual Meetings and Exhibits in Indianapolis.

Lott is considered an authority on guns and crime, having authored more than 100 peer-reviewed articles and 10 books on the subject. He led two seminars discussing the effectiveness of gun-free zones, red-flag laws, and other gun control measures.

He said the story of Nikki Goeser encapsulates the shortcomings of these laws.

Goeser is the author of “Stalked and Defenseless: How Gun Control Helped My Stalker Murder My Husband in Front of Me.” She’s also the executive director of the Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC), of which Lott is the president.

People walk past a "Gun Free Zone" sign posted on 40th Street and 7th Avenue in New York on Aug. 31, 2022. (Michael M. Santiago/Getty Images)
People walk past a "Gun Free Zone" sign posted on 40th Street and 7th Avenue in New York on Aug. 31, 2022. Michael M. Santiago/Getty Images

Goeser was scheduled to speak at the event but couldn’t attend because of family obligations.

Fourteen years ago, Goeser and her late husband, Ben, operated a karaoke business. A man the couple had met became infatuated with her and began stalking her.

While Goeser had a license to carry a concealed pistol, at the time, it was illegal in her home state of Tennessee to carry a firearm in any business that served alcohol.

One night, while running their karaoke business, Goeser’s stalker showed up and shot her husband seven times in front of her. Goeser’s situation was known to the police, but the stalker had been undeterred.

Lott said Goeser has stated that she isn’t sure she could have stopped the crime if she had had her pistol. But she’s confident that complying with the law ensured that she couldn’t protect her husband or herself.

“As the title of her book says, she was denied the chance,” he said.

Buffalo supermarket shooting suspect Payton Gendron in a jail booking photograph. (Erie County District Attorney's Office via AP)
Buffalo supermarket shooting suspect Payton Gendron in a jail booking photograph. Erie County District Attorney's Office via AP

Lott told the gathering that Goeser’s story is a perfect example of the problems with gun-free zones.

According to statistics from the CPRC, 94 percent of mass shootings since 1950 have occurred in gun-free zones.

Lott said one well-known mass killer explained his reasoning in a manifesto written the year before he struck.

The 19-year-old man who killed 10 people in a Buffalo, New York, grocery store on May 14, 2022, has been described as a right-wing racist, Lott said. But, while he was an avowed racist, Lott said the shooter described himself as an environmentalist and eco-terrorist.

In his manifesto, the shooter claimed that minorities were damaging the environment by having too many children, and that’s why he decided to attack black people.

“Attacking in a weapon-restricted area may decrease the chance of civilian backlash,” Lott quoted from the shooter’s writings. “... ‘areas where CCW [concealed weapons] are outlawed or prohibited may be good areas of attack,’ and ‘areas with strict gun laws are also great places of attack.’”

Two women comfort one another at the makeshift memorial for the six victims killed in The Covenant School shooting in Nashville, Tenn., on March 27, 2023. (Chase Smith/The Epoch Times)
Two women comfort one another at the makeshift memorial for the six victims killed in The Covenant School shooting in Nashville, Tenn., on March 27, 2023. Chase Smith/The Epoch Times

Rather than disarming everyone, the state should consider ways of promoting the lawful carrying of firearms, according to Lott. For example, when it comes to school shootings, he’s a proponent of arming teachers.

He said 20 states now allow teachers to be armed, with Oklahoma, Utah, and Ohio having some of the most supportive laws. From the school shooter’s perspective, not knowing which, if any, of the teachers are armed makes a school a more challenging target.

“You have literally thousands of schools across the country with armed teachers,” Lott said.

To date, he said, he knows of no accidental shootings or incidents at a school during school hours connected to an armed teacher. And no school shootings have occurred at those schools. He said this is a proven plan that can work.

“We don’t need to guess,” Lott said.

Weathered signs, candles, and stuffed animals remain at a memorial outside Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, on July 13, 2022. (Kaylee Greenlee Beal/Reuters)
Weathered signs, candles, and stuffed animals remain at a memorial outside Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, on July 13, 2022. Kaylee Greenlee Beal/Reuters

In most instances, the shooter knows that they'll likely be captured or killed. In fact, Lott said most mass shooters he has studied left writings making it clear that they planned to die after killing as many people as possible.

He said the sentence for carrying a gun in a prohibited place in Tennessee is six years in prison.

Considering the fact that a mass killer, if taken alive, could receive life in prison or the death penalty, Lott wonders how much of a deterrent an extra six years would be.

“It’s like there’s no penalty for these people,” he said.

Depression Doesn’t Always Lead to Suicide

Goeser’s stalker had exhibited delusional behavior and had been classified as mentally ill, according to reports. He continued to stalk Goeser by sending her love letters from prison. He was convicted of felony stalking by mail, which has delayed his release date to 2028.

Lott said the prospect of the stalker’s release brings up another problem.

In Goeser’s book, she wrote about her overwhelming grief and depression after her husband’s murder. She said she sometimes didn’t know if she could hold on.

“But that doesn’t mean she was suicidal,” Lott said.

He said that, under red flag laws, also known as extreme risk protection orders, Goeser could have been disarmed if someone in her life thought she might attempt suicide or try to hurt herself.

Nineteen states and the District of Columbia have red flag laws. These allow family members, household members, law enforcement, or all three to go before a judge and request that the individual’s guns be confiscated to prevent them from hurting themselves or others.

Many People Just Submit

The person subject to the order should be allowed to present a defense or have a lawyer represent them. Lott said legal protection is so expensive that, in many cases, the individual submits rather than lose thousands of dollars in a legal fight that they may lose anyway.

“They pretty much remove all the [legal] protections,” he said.

Lott said there is no reason to believe that taking a gun away from a suicidal person will prevent a suicide. He pointed out that there are many ways to commit suicide, and someone determined to do that will need more help than taking away one means of doing so.

He acknowledged that most laws carry penalties for those who make false claims. However, he said those are rarely prosecuted because, short of getting a confession, “it’s unbelievably difficult to prove.”

Lott said all 50 states and the federal government already provide a better option than red flag laws—involuntary civil commitment. This process was designed to ensure that people unable to care for themselves adequately could be evaluated and treated if necessary.

Red Flag Laws Fall Short

According to Lott, the person may hire an attorney or have one appointed. Like other legal proceedings, the judge will hear from both sides and decide based on the evidence provided.

“Civil commitment laws can do everything red flag laws can do and somewhat more,” he said.

Lott said a significant issue clouding the debate is that the public doesn’t fully understand the problem. And he lays the blame at the feet of the media and entertainment industries. He told the group that since machine guns were outlawed in the 1930s, only one murder has been committed with such a weapon.

However, in television police dramas, criminals regularly fire fully-automatic weapons at their victims and police. In many shows, wise, seasoned, but fictional police officers extol the benefits of gun control. He showed a clip from one television show that drew laughs from the seminar attendees.

In that scene, a woman asks a detective who refused to carry his duty weapon into a gun-free zone if he was nervous about facing the bad guys unarmed. The detective told her he wasn’t worried.

“The bad guys won’t have guns either,” the TV cop said.

According to Lott, the news media focuses heavily on crimes committed with guns but pays short shrift to defensive gun uses. That’s largely because statistics show that 95 percent of defensive gun uses involve no shots being fired. In those cases, the criminal flees or the intended victim holds the perpetrator until the police arrive.

With the heavy focus on gun crime and the complete exclusion of coverage of guns preventing crimes, he said it’s easy to understand why some people view guns the way they do.

Michael Clements
Michael Clements
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Michael Clements is an award-winning Epoch Times reporter covering the Second Amendment and individual rights. Mr. Clements has 30 years of experience in media and has worked for outlets including The Monroe Journal, The Panama City News Herald, The Alexander City Outlook, The Galveston County Daily News, The Texas City Sun, The Daily Court Review,
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