Amanda Knox Case Strains Sister City Bond Between Seattle and Perugia


Seattle and Perugia, Italy are sister cities, and the relationship was strained by the Amanda Knox case.

The relationship doesn’t include specific rules and is meant to foster cultural exchange and lifelong personal connections. 

“There’s no official handbook, and if there were, it likely would contain little advice about what to do when it all goes terribly wrong,” reports the Seattle Times. “Like when high authorities in your sister city of Perugia, in Italy’s Umbria region, brand one of Seattle’s daughters — a hapless exchange student — as a satanic, sex-obsessed ;she-devil’ who helped slaughter her own roommate, apparently just for fun.”

Knox’s guilty verdict was upheld earlier this year by the Italian Supreme Court after it was previously shot down by a lower court.

Knox remains in the United States and it’s unclear whether Italy will request or has requested extradition. 

She and two co-defendants killed student Meredith Kercher in 2007, the court decided. 

Mike James, a retired KING-TV anchorman, was in charge of the relationship between Seattle and Perugia while the trial was going on.

“It’s been a bit of a shadow,” he said. 

“It was more than just juggling friendships,” he said. “It was trying to keep the friendship going — separating the trial from the friendship.”

One of the things the association did was work with the Italian city on diffusing tensions between the Italians and Americans over the case, as well as assisting Knox’s family during its long stays in Italy during the process.

 

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  • dmontnz

    Did Amanda go to Perugia because it was a sister city to her hometown, or was it all a coincidence?

    • AskandTell

      Good question..wondering the same.

      • Fredly

        I believe her family had vacationed there before and she loved the area. She worked four jobs to save up enough money to go.

  • vortex

    Italian Court hides “dirty little secret” that “Moved the Goalposts” to Convict Amanda Knox
    The reason some say that “Italian Courts are different from the American Courts” is because in Italy, even the Courts are allowed to break their OWN Laws.
    A close study of the official court documents of the Meredith Kercher case shows that not only did the Italian Supreme Court decree in 2010 that Knox was indisputably guilty of Murder BEFORE her trial even started, but these same appeal courts have CHANGED the meanings of decisions that exonerated Knox to meanings that assure her conviction.
    When the Italian Supreme Court(ISC) overturned the Knox 2011 acquittal for murder and reinterpreted her “slander” conviction, they performed a set of illegal and nefarious judicial gyrations that changed the words ”Innocent” to “Guilty” in the decisions in order to assure that she would be found guilty, by decree, at the recent Florence Trial.
    Judge Hellmann, who acquitted Amanda Knox in 2011 for the murder of Kercher because
    “she was innocent and not at the murder location” also convicted Knox of the crime of calunnia because Knox told police that she “dreamed that” her boss had murdered Meredith during a brutal interrogation by Italian police. Calunnia is a Italian law against accusing someone of a crime when the “accuser knows the accused is innocent of the crime”, so an accuser is ONLY guilty if they “KNOW” the accused is innocent.
    The Hellmann ruling at the 2011 Trial stated that Knox was guilty of colunnia because she knew that her boss was working at his bar on the night of the murder and Knox therefore “KNEW” that her boos was innocent of the crime, so she was guilty of colunnia.
    The “dirty little secret” hidden by the Italian Court Documents is that when the ISC confirmed the colunnia conviction last March, the DECISION ITSELF was changed to have it say that what Judge Hellmann REALLY MEANT TO SAY was that Knox KNEW her boss was innocent because she WAS at the MURDER SCENE and PARTICIPATED in the MURDER.
    Of course Judge Hellmann NEVER said any such thing, and he himself described the ISC action as illegal, saying “Instead they(the ISC) decided to interpret the evidence and that is a violation of the law. That is incorrect. What they have done is in effect hand the new trial a sentence that is ready and done – their ruling has explained to the judges in the new trial how they should convict the two accused.”.
    “Different” indeed, in Italy even the Italian JUDGES agree that the Italian Courts have violated ITALIAN LAWS to convict Amanda Knox and save “the honor of the Italian Justice”.

    • bucketoftea

      The Hellmann acquittal’s status is anulled. Never happened. Illogical. The defenses’ campaign of lies and smears and the reasons why the Hellmann court proceded as it did are subject of current investigations in Italy. The truth will be revealed. Justice for Meredith, Italy, and Italy’s public servants.

      • Wayne

        Only in your imagination. The Hellmann acquittal is a fact of history and had a very real effect of freeing Amanda to her home where she is beyond the grasp of a corrupt system. Deal with it.

        • bucketoftea

          It was illegitimate. Read the decision.

      • Fredly

        If Hellman broke no laws then the ISC had no cause to throw out his verdict. That is what he still maintains.

        • bucketoftea

          You obviously haven’t bothered to read the decision.

          • Fredly

            Did Helmann break a law or not?

      • JC Court

        It is the Italian Supreme court that broke the law. Thanks.

      • Tirza

        What justice is there for Meredith when her attacker and killer got 16 years and is now free a day a week for schooling? If I were her family I would be furious at the Italian system of justice!

    • Mobius Trip

      +1 Best comment I’ve read on this subject in a long while…It’s an utter travesty actually, but like someone once said, the truth is like the sun, you can try hide it for awhile but it ain’t going away…

      • Ajourney

        That’s because you wrote it. You little Knox trolls come on these sites with your multiple identities and spew lies all over them. You should remind yourself that Knox is a convicted murderer and indeed a convicted liar – PR lies have not worked for her. (Your original ‘comment’ is unreadable, by the way – long, convoluted, tedious and – most of all – utterly dishonest, and provably so)

        • Mobius Trip

          LOLwot?! Paranoid much?

          • mastema

            i’ve noticed a few psychos on the internet truly believe that anything they dont agree with that multiple other people do agree with, are in their minds inventions and conspiracies against their belief, created by a single person who allegedly bothered to create multiple different accounts. denial is a very strong disorder. mix denial with paranoia and you get these internet psychotics. you usually see them on message boards. i imagine these same people believe in the “illuminati” and “lizard people” et al.

        • Tirza

          So, your a Mignini troll and he is a convicted liar. He also had a lot more influence than a naïve school girl. Notice all the other roommates lawyered up and left Perugia. Mignini’s name proceeded him. Why weren’t the boys on the first floor checked out? They were Guede’s friends and introduced Guede to the other roommates. What of Filomena whose room was broken into. She told the police she left her shutter open and later changed that after being pressured by the prosecution. What of all the hateful stories told about Meredith, Amanda and Raffaele or how the prosecutor tried to frame Lumumba? You are all the same, you can’t prove guilt with any REAL evidence and so start name calling. I use my real name and don’t hide behind an alias. I am half Italian and half English and have traveled to Italy a land where I would like to travel to again.

    • Fredly

      I look forward to the slander conviction being heard in the European Supreme Court. I think the whole idea of charging someone for slander based on an illegally obtained statement should be reason enough to have it overturned. I think getting the slander conviction into a real courtroom should provide a good preview as to what will happen to the murder conviction. The Italians broke many more of their own laws to obtain the murder conviction.

      • bucketoftea

        No such thing as European Supreme Court.

        • Fredly

          It’s the European Court of Human Rights and they have the right to throw the slander and murder conviction out. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/italian-judge-who-sentenced-amanda-knox-and-raffaele-sollecito-under-fire-for-remarks/

          • Ajourney

            There is no European Supreme Court. The human rights court is not a court of appeal either; it is not designed to overturn judgements in EU nation states. The smiling, happy, contented Knox (you seen the pictures of her dancing in prison? The ones of her wearing an ‘All You Need Is Love’ top to court? ) did not have any rights violated in Italy. US State Dept officials agree she was treated extremely well for a murderer. Her pathetic appeal to the human rights court was a publicity stunt – it has zero chance of being upheld. Very few people care about your opinions but you can at least get your facts right.

          • Fredly

            She has an incredibly strong case. Many Italian verdicts are thrown out there. I look forward to the Italians explaining why she had no lawyer until 4 months after the murder, why the interrogation wasn’t recorded, why was basic discovery was not followed because Stefanoni still has not turned over her analysis to show how she came up with results. Why did Knox sit in prison a year before she was charged? Why was Knox’s inadmissible statement allowed to be used by the prosecutor in the third trial if it was inadmissible? Why was the jury not sequestered considering the jurors were eating lunch at the same places the layers and journalists working on the case were eating? Why were the prosecutors never warned for referring to Knox with names like :Luucefina? I’m, glad you think these things are no big deal which just means that you should do the world a favor and never sit on a jury.

          • Ajourney

            Why don’t you add: ‘Why did Knox always look so happy and content in court and indeed in prison’?; ‘Why did US Embassy officials not find a single instance of her being abused?’; ‘Why did Knox herself admit that the Italians treated her fine’?; ‘Why was she well enough to return straight home and pick up $4million in blood money for a ghost written memoire’….

            It is not the job of the European Court of Human Rights to overturn a murder conviction in an Italian Court. You patently have no idea what the court does, nor what its antecedents are. You know nothing about European law, nothing about Italian law, and nothing about the masses of evidence which convicted the three drugged up fiends responsible for Meredith Kercher’s murder in a very public, transparent, on-going court process.

            Instead, you are fantasising because you cannot accept that your cunning princess is a convicted murderer and indeed a convicted liar who tried to put an innocent man in prison.

          • Fredly

            If you find that due process has not been violated in this case then I wonder if you believe due process at all.

            Amanda and Raffaele sat in prison for a year before they were even charged with a crime. Their trial took another year to conclude, meeting only two days a week and taking the summer off.

            According to lawyers in Perugia, fifty percent of cases are overturned or adjusted on appeal. Italy’s system is severely backlogged. Official figures show that there are over 3.5 million criminal cases and 5.5 million civil cases all waiting to see a courtroom.

            Currently, Italy has a backlog of around nine million legal cases: 5.5million civil and 3.4million criminal. The state paid €84million in compensation for miscarriages of justice and legal delays in 2011, when there were nearly 50,000 such claims, compared to 3,500 in 2003. Another €46million was paid out to people unjustly thrown in jail. Some 42 per cent of those in jail – 28,000 people – are awaiting trial, and the prison population of 68,000 inmates is housed in institutions intended for 45,000. There are 1.39 Italian judges for every 10,000 inhabitants, compared with the average of 0.91 in other European countries.

            According to the World Bank’s annual report in 2007, Italy ranks 155th out of 178 countries surveyed for efficiency of justice. Court processes last on average 116 months in Italy, against 34 months in Austria, and delays are increasing year on year. Between 1975 and 2004, the duration of civil cases increased by 90 per cent. Between 1999 and 2007, the European Court ruled against Italy 948 times for failing to meet the timing of a fair trial. It is estimated that in each case at least two defendants are involved, so 16million Italians, or one in four of the population, have pending cases. Less than one per cent of corrupt or incompetent judges lose their jobs. Between 1999 and 2006, there were 1,010 disciplinary proceedings, but only six judges were sacked.

            http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/amanda-knox-italian-justice-on-trial/14599#.UyDe0dJDsdY

  • Chris Meyering

    Well, this case has certainly affected me. This case has affected me to the point that whenever I see anything from Italy, regardless of what it is, I get this overwhelming feeling of repulsion and disgust. My wife wanted to go to Italy so bad, and now that is off the table. I won’t even consider it, so we compromised and are going to Greece instead.

    I realize it sounds ludicrous to act like this, but this is true. I’m sure there’s a counterpart in Italy that feels the same way about the U.S.

    • bucketoftea

      Your instincts are correct! It is ludicrous! Pull yourself together man, you’ve just been manipulated to feel and think like that. That’s what PR is for after all.

      • Tirza

        bucketoftea – You should know all about PR as you fell for the prosecutor’s PR hook, line and sinker.

    • Mobius Trip

      Many years ago we had a family of immigrant Italians as neighbors. Great, warm hearted people, but let me tell you, once my father inadvertantly slighted the head of their household, it was just a small social slip up but my father was never forgiven, no matter how much he asked (begged) for forgiveness…An Italian cannot lose face, it’s in their DNA….

      • chinamug

        They lost a lot of face in WWll and couldn’t surrender their weapons quickly enough to march off to the POW camps according to my sources. They’re lovers not fighters but that doesn’t mean they can’t catch a killer.

    • Lisa Marie Basile

      Um, you’re not going to enjoy the widespread and diverse beauty of an entire country b/c of a murder trial? That’s some close-minded ish right there. Where do you live currently? Google that country, that state, your city, your town. I bet you’ll find some “repulsive” stuff there too.

      • andy

        Take Seattle.Terminally dull and swarming with squareheads,still gaping up at the Space Needle (“gee,imagine,you can actually have lunch all the way up there!”),hooked on angst,setting new land records for caffeine consumption daily,generally waterlogged and unresponsive.
        Will that prevent us from visiting?
        Well,some of us!

    • AskandTell

      I agree Chris…feelings sometimes don’t agree with logic. I traveled Europe in one trip…London, Paris, Frankfurt, and Rome. Rome was the only city that I was overcharged continually (illegal taxi, additional restaurant charges added to bill, etc) and felt unsafe with numerous warnings from the hotel staff. It is not a country I care to return if I have a choice.

      • Ajourney

        Great news that you are avoiding Italy; a civilised country full of cultured, educated, interesting, moral people. It has its problems, just like anywhere else in the world, but the fewer hicks who judge a country on ‘additional restaurant charges added to the bill’ the better. Multo bene.

        • AskandTell

          I don’t disagree and would like to return. But Italy is known for taking advantage of tourists without an effort to crack down on these crimes. There are too many beautiful places in the world to allow being taken advantage of…it is an ethical issue for me.

          • Ajourney

            So you’d much rather live in a country where kids in schools and cinemas regularly get blasted to death by fellow citizens, eh? Where murderous shootings are so regular that they are barely reported anymore? The USA is a frighteningly violent country – listening to an American attacking Italy in the way you do is farcical. You need to reconsider your ethics.

          • andy

            Great point.
            Why don’t these cultists just come right out with it and call the Italians “untermenschen”.
            Oh yeah,I forgot,they already do.

      • andy

        Are you actually Naomi?

        Anyway,in all of my travels the two worst places for dodgy service stuff were Thailand and Canada.
        Of course,the majority in both places were sterling.An incident at a schlosshotel in Baden-Baden,Deutschland was notable for its ‘tacking on’ shenanigans.
        These things happen anywhere.Have you ever heard about what some taxi drivers in New York sometimes do to tourists entering through JFK airport?
        Hilarious stuff,if it weren’t so painful for the victims.

        • AskandTell

          Good points. I admit all of the shenanigans happening to me in one city were probably just coincidence.

  • bucketoftea

    It was Amanda Knox’ PR and smears that poisoned the relationship just as it poisoned all of the mainstream US reporting of Meredith Kercher’s murder. She is guilty. Lock her up.

    • Tirza

      bucketoftea- how did they do it without leaving a trace. They must have miraculous powers and if they did have miraculous powers why didn’t they save themselves from being accused?

      • Ronovitch

        So it’s a ‘miracle’ that criminals frequently avoid leaving forensics at crime scenes? Ever heard of gloves? Sheesh – you people all sound like you have the intellects of ‘creative writing’ students.

        • Fredly

          What case are you taking about where someone stabs someone repeatedly and holds them down and leaves no physical trace in the murder room? The glove itself would leave traces behind on the body.

          • Ronovitch

            Absolute garbage. According to your logic it would nowadays be impossible for anybody to stab anybody, let alone murder them, without leaving proof. What a cretinous idea. As for your ‘glove itself would leave traces’ remark – you need to go back to school (don’t ask the teacher about glove DNA, dumbo)

          • Fredly

            Cite case where a knife was used and the murderer left no trace of themselves in the murder room. I’d like to study one since you say they happen all the time.

          • JC Court

            6 OUT OF 7 Italian expert concluded that there was only 1 attacker, the lone dissenter professor Norelli was hired by the Kercher’s family.
            Do you think that Norelli is the one that should go back to school? Thanks.

        • Tirza

          Ronovitch Gloves alone would not have prevented DNA from hair follicles or protected against footprints. Every second you lose DNA as your skin cells peel off. To have totally prevented their DNA from showing Amanda and Raffaele would have had to wrap the room in plastic first, the floors, the walls and the ceiling. Of course we know that didn’t happen as Guede would also not have left his DNA, fingerprints and footprints. They would then have to have gotten rid of all that plastic. Most serial killers that use that method take hours to set up and dispose of the plastic. Another miraculous feat for Amanda and Raffaele as they were visited by a friend of Raffaele’s at Raffaele’s apartment at 8:40 PM. Is this the best that you can do maybe you really are a bucketof tea!

          • Ajourney

            You didn’t study science at school, did you. It sounds as though you didn’t even go to school…..It is absolutely normal for people not to leave forensic evidence. Your childish claims are absolute BS.

      • bucketoftea

        They left traces. Bloody footprints. DNA on murder weapon and Meredith’s bra clasp. themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Evidence

        • Tirza

          I see why you take the name bucketoftea as you are ashamed to give your own name or you are related to Mignini. You must have stopped reading about the case after the 1st conviction and don’t realize that the knife has been thrown out as the murder weapon as it was too large for the wounds. There were no bloody footprints found to belong to Amanda or Raffaele. That speculation and it was a speculation was proved wrong. Raffaele did leave his prints on the outside of Meredith’s bedroom door when he tried to open it. The police who were to gather the evidence opened that door and did not change their gloves throughout the process of evidence gathering. You can see that for yourself if you view the POLICE video of the evidence gathering. The police picked up one piece of evidence after another and never changed gloves. You can see that the gloves picking up the evidence were bloody and dirty. All kinds of cross contamination occurred.

          • bucketoftea

            OK, you got me. I’m Mignini’s great auntie Harrietta Ragazza.

      • chinamug

        They don’t have miraculous powers Tirza which is why they are in their present position with Solecito now questioning his own support for knox
        so please get off the satanic cult theories. You have been confused by all of the proceedings against knox and solecito taking place in one trial and attribute some over-the-top comments made by Patrick Lamumba’s lawyer about knox to Mignini. Perhaps you have beeen reading Doug Preston’s novel about satanic murders and listening to his version of his run-in with Mignini who Preston hates BTW. This is the fodder of the paid to comment knox supporters which has all been put to rest since Doug Preston has been discredited.

        • Tirza

          Where is the REAL evidence against Amanda? No DNA in the murder room, no bloody clothing belonging to Amanda, no communication between Amanda and Rudy. Hearsay! Is that what you rely on? I have not read anything by Doug Preston but will now look him up. Thanks for the tip.

    • JC Court

      It is you that is running a smear campaign against these innocents bucketoftea. Thanks.

  • andy

    The fact that Seattle is the sister city to Perugia mitigates against any kind of a frame job.

    Is anybody EVER going to come up with a plausible motivation for Amanda and her Italian friend to be framed?

    • Fredly

      The police and the corrupt prosecutor Mignini believed it at first. Remember that Mignini also concocted the false theory that many murders in the Florence area were committed by Satanic cults. He’s was also on record as saying that Kercher’s murder seemed ritualistic in nature because it happened the day after Halloween. They found a hair fiber that belonged to a black person and they saw Knox’s “See you later” text message to Lumumba. That was all it took for them to think they had cracked the case. They coerced a dream confession out of Knox and started arresting everyone. When they realized the hair belonged to Guede and not Lumumba they simply should have admitted their mistake. By this time the “Foxy Knoxy” headlines were all over the press and a decision was made to maintain the false 3 killer theory and to frame two innocent people.

      • andy

        ‘ly,they admitted their mistake against Lumumba and would have had no problem exonerating A & R.They obviously thought they were involved and there is reason to suspect that they were.
        I admit that it’s difficult to say that beyond a reasonable doubt they’re guilty.

  • Tirza

    Bottom line-You cannot commit a murder without leaving DNA, fingerprints or footprints in the bloody murder room. Rudy Guede did. I don’t care how crazy or untruthful Amanda and Raffaele were (which I don’t believe), they could not have committed this murder.

    • Ghislane400

      Guess how many rooms there are for this crime scene, dimbo?

      There are SEVEN! This means that in the real world, you can bleat on as much as you want about ‘no evidence’, because this accusation is clearly BS. Knox’s DNA exists in 6 separate areas mingled in with Meredith’s blood! This strong and indisputable evidence puts Knox at the crime scene.

      This, and the other forensic and circumstantial evidence, has rightfully led Knox to be convicted of murder.

      Of course, you would know this if you had taken the time to read the Micheli, the Massei and the Galati. Lazy armchair pundits like you shouldn’t even bother commenting in the first place. It is like trying to comment on the contents of a book when you have read the foreword, but worse because this involves the murder of a beautiful young girl. You should be ashamed of yourself.

      • Tirza

        Sorry Ghislane but even the prosecutors agree that the murder was committed in Meredith’s bed room. Guede tracked some blood from the room to the front door but neither Amanda nor Raffaele left any DNA in Meredith’s bedroom. Only someone with low brain power would believe that Amanda and Raffaele were able to commit this crime and not leave any evidence in the murder room. Are they able to fly? Or maybe it was just their ghosts that committed the crime! You talk about lazy. Use your brain. I don’t care if you dislike Amanda and Raffaele because of some prejudice but I have sided with truth whether I liked the person or not. I did not try to railroad somebody just because I didn’t like them. I have always stood up against bullies. I have read everything but I know how to separate the wheat from the shaft.

        • Ronovitch

          Murders and other criminals wear gloves etc to prevent their forensics being left at crime scenes. This is very well known, and has been for generations. Hundreds of stabbings/shootings etc happen every year with no DNA or finger prints etc being left. It is incredible that the Knox fantasists don’t *get* the basics like this….Knox and Sollecito knew exactly what they were doing during the murder. They made their mistakes during the clean-up.

          • Fredly

            So he took the glove off long enough to touch the clasp? And Knox took it off to hold the knife? Why wouldn’t they git rid of the knife afterwards along with their bloody clothes? Why did they not leave footprints in the murder room itself? Why did they not track any blood back to Sollectio’s place? After all they decided to hold on to the murder knife.

          • Chris Meyering

            After a perfectly planned murder and a perfect clean-up., these guilter folks are claiming that they didn’t hammer out an alibi. The worst up the the best of criminals always get their alibis in order. Its always tops the list of every criminal and they folks have been made out to be master criminals. Yet, Amanda and Rafaellle were struggling with the details about where they were!!??

            If this so called clean-up did take place, then perfect, matching alibis would have been done and in reality, would have made them more suspicious. They had no reason to remember details because they were partying and have sex all night (and not planning a murder), that actually is more in line with the fuzzy recollections of where they were at specific times.

            The logic and common sense of these guilters is startlingly inept.

          • Ronovitch

            It wasn’t a ‘perfect clean-up’. That’s a big part of the evidence against them. Stop lying.

          • JC Court

            There is no evidence in this case, just lies. Thanks.

          • Ronovitch

            You’re absolutely missing the point: you can twist the truth about the evidence as much as you like, but the basic premise of the Knox fantasists that ALL murderers leave forensics at murder scenes is another ludicrous lie. Faced with a mountain of evidence, the diminishing band of Knox propagandists will always come out with the same old garbage about the ‘murder room’. The cunning Knox – a convicted liar, as well as a convicted murderer – is particularly good at this. It’s incredible that their are still groupies who slavishly accept every lie that she tells.

          • Tirza

            Ronovich Talk about liars how about all the lies told by Mignini. He even stated that Meredith was a member of a satanic cult and was involved in sex games smearing the good name of the victim. To Mignini anything is fair play as long as he gets praise for solving the crime. This is not the only case that he has screwed up with his lies and getting witnesses to purger themselves for shorter sentences. At the time he was named prosecutor on this case he was under conviction of cheating on prior cases. Just saying.

          • chinamug

            That old chestnut ‘Mignini’ again! He did not state that Meredith was a member of a satanic cult nor even Amanda. Perhaps you should stick to separating the wheat from the chafe as there is nothing of any value in what you are doing here.

          • JC Court

            There is nothing of value in any of your comments chinamug. Thanks.

          • Ajourney

            Mignini is not even involved in the case anymore – Knox’s failed appeal against her murder conviction was heard in Florence, not Perugia. And Mignini NEVER said anybody was a member of a Satanic cult. You are a liar @Tirza and, like Knox, not a good one. Go and read about the case and stop being so immoral.

          • Tirza

            Your wrong Mignini’s name is written all over this case and what if he was replaced after the 1st trial it was his ideas, insinuations, and day dreams that were used. There is still the fact that Amanda and Raffaele left no DNA in Meredith’s bedroom.

          • JC Court

            You are the one that is immoral. Thanks.

          • Fredly

            He still says the monster of Florence killings were done by a Satanic cult.

          • JC Court

            Ridiculous. It is the prosecutor in this case that should be on trial for what he has done to these innocent Italy loving students. Thanks.

          • Fredly

            I’m not twisting anything. You tell me why Knox is still on the blade and Sollecito is on the bra clasp. You can’t have it both ways.

          • JC Court

            There was no clean up and MS Knox was nowhere near the cottage when the murder occurred. Thanks.

      • JC Court

        It is you that should be ashamed of yourself Ghyslane400 for promoting the lies associated with this case. How’s the weather in Rome? Thanks.

  • grimbal

    You’ll only believe what you want without checking first because you’re too lazy. All the evidence against these two is overwhelming but of course you won’t believe it. Luckily it’s not up to Knox supporters but up to the the US and Italian governments. Oh by the way there has never been a case of a civilian not being extradited from the US to Italy. Chew on that for a while

    • Ghislane400

      Sollecito will tell all once the sentences are ratified and then the Knox underlings house of cards will come crashing down. You are completely correct; barely one of this lot has read even one page of the judicial reports and yet they think they have the knowledge to comment! Laughable!

      The Italian judges are highly qualified, highly professional, highly respected and they have years of experience. Also, they have seen all of the evidence, whereas those of us who have made the effort have seen only 50% of it, In other words, they are the only ones FIT to judge, and they have judged Knox to be GUILTY.

      Can you imagine how thick and how arrogant you have to be, to think your opinion is equal to the judges!

      There are not many countries which release judicial reports like Italy, and look where their openness has got them! They are slandered, they have daily racist attacks agains them and just yesterday one particularly charming Knox fan recommended they be bombed! These Americans really are an immoral, indecent and gormless bunch.

      • Fredly

        The judge in the second trial saw all the evidence and still maintains that the two are innocent. The third trial produced not one bit of new evidence, but they were still found guilty. The Italian Supreme Court broke Italian law by overturning the 2nd verdict.

        • chinamug

          Accidentally gave you a thumbs up when I meant to reply. It is the 2nd verdict that is being questioned in law so we should hear more about that in the future. Introducing new evidence was not the purpose of the second appeal which you wrongly call the third trial. The judge in the first appeal said they might be guilty he didn’t know but he couldn’t back up his reasons for overturning the first court’s guilty verdict with sound legal argument and logical conclusions.

          • JC Court

            I am giving you 2 thumbs down for your reply. Thanks.

      • Tirza

        Laughable! It’s like your being prosecuted for a crime you didn’t commit and guess who the judge and jury is? A criminal who will be released if your found guilty. There are good and bad people in every walk in life. I am a devout catholic but I am not out there defending all the Popes in history. Some of them were horrible criminals. Just because someone is a judge doesn’t mean that they are incorruptible. Many judges have gone to jail for capital crimes. To not believe that is to be naïve. And yes I do think I have better analytic reasoning than the prosecutors in the 1st and 3rd trials. Those prosecutors were either dumb or deliberately twisted the facts for their own end. “THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES FIT TO JUDGE” now that is laughable!

    • Fredly

      Can you cite a single case where the US has sent a citizen back to a country after they’ve committed double jeopardy?

      • AskandTell

        I believe double jeopardy wouldn’t apply because Knox was convicted, not acquitted, in the first round.

        • Fredly

          They were found innocent by the judge in the 2nd trial, who still hasn’t changed his mind. Knox was sent back to America for 2 years when the Italian Supreme Court decided to throw the verdict out. I don’t know of any case where a foreign country has ruled an American not guilty after a trial and then had a do-over 2 years later and asked for us to send the American citizen back. At what point do one’s Constitutional rights return back to them? What if they had waited 10 years to throw the second verdict out?

          • AskandTell

            Since the State Department would make the final decision, it probably would turn into a political decision vs. a procedural one in order to keep her in the US.

          • Chris Meyering

            Agree, it would be 100% political. Laws and treaties have been re-interpreted to fit the situation for centuries due to politics. Lately, the U.S. has been turning inward and Domestic policy has been trumping Foreign policy. It would be extremely unpopular to extradite, with our Governments low popularity numbers, I don’t see extradition on the table, especially if there are elections soon.

    • Chris Meyering

      Hey Grimbal. This is the Internet age. All the information is there for everyone to see. I assure you that there is/was far more press about this case on Italian media then there ever was on American, The question should be that about were which country gets its news from, TV or the Internet. The vast majority of the details of this case are on the internet, and that’s were I get 100% of my info. I’ve have personally read both sides and have seen 100% of the evidence. The evidence is no where near ‘overwhelming’ and absolutely all of it is refutable with valid alternative explanations.

    • JC Court

      Evidence is not overwhelming it’s actually fraudulent.
      You have been a proponent of this travesty for quite some time Grimbal shame on you. Thanks.

    • shaun

      grimbal.you are wrong. you need ti read the facts in the case. There is so much evidence that proves shes innocent. it was a joke of a trial..

  • JC Court

    The city of Seattle should cut all ties with Perugia Italy. Thanks.

    • Skye Tripp

      I agree.

  • dixhandley

    Italians don’t know the first thing about justice. Ask the Mafia, ask Mussolini, ask all the criminal world that still runs rampant. Idiots!

    • andy

      Take your dicks out of your hands and consider that the Russian mafia has just spent the past 25 years consolidating in the US after a major crackdown on the Italian-American mafia.Not to mention all of the other lesser known mafias here in America.
      The idea that an American could cry “foul” over corruption anywhere else is a real hoot.

      • dixhandley

        Shows how lame you are. Go watch the Asphalt Jungle and perhaps come back and address me when finished.

        • andy

          Pipe down,dingbat.

          • dixhandley

            Just like a liberal. Free speech for those approved beforehand.

          • andy

            Only a bigoted idiot who shrugs off creeping fascism in our own country would ever make the comment you made up above.
            Putting people in prison is a growth industry here,if you hadn’t thought it through.

          • dixhandley

            Hey ped, shouldn’t you spend more time in Thailand trolling for little kiddies. No go brush your teeth!

          • andy

            I forgot to mention your crew,the Idiot Mafia.

          • andy

            Dix “My Hands Are Full” Flicker knows nothing.And brags about it!

  • xionxxxx

    She will be a victim to US foreign policy and an international treaty, sorry but I hope she has the best lawyer from Yale or Harvard who specializes in international law to represent her, otherwise she’s going back, there’s no way the US State Department would jeopardize its ties and cancel an international treaty over one American citizen unless of course the POTUS steps in to make a final decision, and only the POTUS has the authority to grant a pardon for an international crime like this.

    • JC Court

      In the meantime BOYCOTT FIAT.
      Don’t buy one and don’t let your friends buy one. Thanks.

      • andy

        You should boycott whatever’s turning your brain to mush.

  • shaun

    xionxxx. that is where you are wrong. there is no way they will send her back. for the reason. how the case was handle. it amounted to nothing more then a lynch mob. it was a complete joke. guilty.not guilt try her again and found guilty again. that is a joke. and another thing the us and italy arnt exactly that close of alias. so I dont think she will ever go back. besides there is so many holes in the case against her.


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