NY Senator Calls on FTC to Ban E-Cig Marketing to Children


E-cigarettes usage among middle and high school children has doubled from 2011–2012 and Sen. Charles Schumer is proposing legislation to prevent companies from marketing these products to children.

The numbers come from the Center for Disease Control. Another recent JAMA Pediatrics study shows that children who try e-cigarettes are seven times more likely to start smoking regular cigarettes.

Schumer said e-cigarette companies are clearly marketing to children with social media campaigns, celebrity endorsements, provocative print ads, and cartoon mascots.

“E-cigarettes are not harmless,” Schumer said. “They are a troubling gateway to conventional smoking for our nation’s kids.”

E-cigarettes contain the addictive substance nicotine, but don’t burn tobacco so the health effects of inhaling tar, chemicals, and carcinogens are negated. The product also allows users to lower the amount of nicotine in their e-cigarettes, for those trying to quit smoking.

There are no federal marketing regulations currently in place for e-cigarettes. Schumer wants the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to come up with guidelines to prevent marketing to children the same way tobacco companies are restricted.

Big tobacco companies have gotten into the e-cigarette industry as well. The manufacturer of the Newport cigarettes also makes blu e-cigarettes, Camel cigarette manufacturer produces Vuse, and Marlboro manufacturers also make Altria.

Tobacco companies are banned from a variety of outlets, including sports sponsorships, cartoon characters, and TV spots.

They are also prohibited from selling flavored tobacco products in a way that encourages children to smoke.

Flavor Effect

According to the 2009 U.S. Food and Drug Administration flavored tobacco ban advisory chocolate, vanilla, and other sweet flavors are especially appealing to children, misleading, and encourage underage use.

“How many adults want gummy bear cigarettes?” Schumer asked.

The vast majority of them do at The Henley Vaporium, a SoHo e-cigarette shop styled like a cafe with over 100 e-cigarette flavors. Shop employee Michelle Chung said most first-time customers come in wanting to switch from cigarettes to a tobacco-flavored e-cigarette, but end up picking a sweet or fruity flavor.

At The Henley, Chung said the bulk of the customers are, like her, in the 20s to 30s age group. But there are almost just as many in their 40s and 50s, from locals to regulars coming all the way from Connecticut.

With these customers, the idea of going from an e-cigarette to a traditional cigarette is unheard of.

“Smoking a cigarette is not like a tobacco-flavored vape at all,” said Chung, who uses strawberry crepe, banana waffles, and vanilla custard flavors herself. With a tobacco-flavored e-cigarette, all you’re getting is the tobacco flavor, without the same burn, feel, and taste, she said. “That’s why most customers end up trying a few and not going with a tobacco flavored [e-cigarette].”

“You would never go from vapes to regular cigarettes,” she added with a grimace. “It’s always the other way around.”

Under Schumer’s legislation, the marketing guidelines would be determined by the FTC and it is unclear whether the same rules that apply to tobacco marketing would directly apply to e-cigarettes.

 

E-cigarette Bans

Late last year, former mayor Michael Bloomberg signed a bill banning indoor e-cigarette usage in the city.

The bill had been met with strong opposition by those who use e-cigarettes, as there are no health-related second-hand effects. 

Nationwide, smoking rates have fallen slightly, to 18 percent in 2012 after stalling for almost a decade at 20 21 percent. In New York City, the rate is even lower at around 15 percent.

Decline in cigarette usage had led to a cultural shift, said then-Health Commissioner Thomas Farley. People no longer see smoking as culturally acceptable, he said, but widespread usage of e-cigarettes could reverse that.



  • AlexxelA

    A cigarette that has no cancer! A cigarette that has no second hand smoke! Just think for one moment how the tobacco companies like E cigarettes? It will put them out of business!

    Doctors, Hospitals and pharmaceutical companies will all so loose business. Is not life the most important? No one wants children to smoke and this is just another Charles Schumer Sunday headliner. He does this every Sunday to get attention!

    P.S. Cigarette smoking was known to be bad for your health since 1930s. The beginning of the E cigarette was in 1963 and safer cigarette could have been developed.

    • AskandTell

      The big tobacco companies love e-cigarettes since they all are or plan to start manufacturing e-cigarettes.

      From the American Cancer Society:

      “A study done by the FDA found cancer-causing substances in half the e-cigarette samples tested. Other impurities were also found, including one sample with diethylene glycol, a toxic ingredient found in antifreeze.

      Studies have shown that e-cigarettes can cause short-term lung changes that are much like those caused by regular cigarettes. But long-term health effects are still unclear. This is an active area of research, and the safety of these products is currently unknown.

      Electronic cigarettes are designed to deliver nicotine, and nicotine is an addictive substance. This strongly suggests that e-cigarette use will lead to dependence, unless the user weans him or herself from them.

      At this time, the American Cancer Society has not taken a position on whether electronic cigarettes should be banned from the US market.”

      • geezer 56

        You are SO fast!! :)

        • TapestryMood

          Amazing is what she is!!

          • AskandTell

            Thank you both.

          • TapestryMood

            Mwah..every morning I eagerly look forward to your posts..NO bsing you, either..” for reals ” as my grandkids say;-)

      • FaunaAndFlora

        I quit smoking tobacco six years ago. I did it cold turkey, without the aid of nicotine patches or gums, because the only way for me to beat it was to break the addiction to nicotine. Just glad I decided to quit before the e-cigarette was available because that might have given me one more excuse for continuing my nicotine addiction.

        • AskandTell

          I also quit cold turkey; one day I had enough of hiding in the closet and people who caught me acted like I was a felon “You don’t look like someone who would smoke.”

          I know I wouldn’t have if e-cigarettes had been around; no smell and tobacco lobbyists telling you they are harmless. I don’t believe anything coming from that industry.

          • FaunaAndFlora

            I realized that I had a choice. I could either continue to smoke or I could continue to breathe in the next ten years.

  • geezer 56

    Welcome, Huffugees.

    • AskandTell

      Hi Geezer; it worked.

      • geezer 56

        This is so ridiculous, but if they do it again, we’ll just move to the next article, I guess.

        • Toastman

          Start at the top and move down.

          • geezer 56

            There ya go!

  • Toastman

    Hi Geezer. Good call. I was trying to see if people wanted to go for a pint of ale. It’s quiet. But I could not get a post up.

    • geezer 56

      What the heck, They can’t close down every dang article. We’ll just rotate, if it comes to it.

      • Toastman

        Yep. If people would get the hint it would work.

        • http://asympak.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

          It would work better if more people traded emails when it didn’t seem well-advised. I’ve tried in vain to pass mine long; they must know trouble will follow me all of my days?

          • Toastman

            I got a few the other day, but I’m afraid to post mine even for a few minutes. You never know when people are looking and doing nothing else.

          • geezer 56

            That is possibly the most self-contradictory statement I’ve ever read.

          • MagnaDave

            Yes it isn’t.

          • geezer 56

            Pithy!

      • FaunaAndFlora

        I love the way your mind works.

        • geezer 56

          I’m just obstinate.

          • FaunaAndFlora

            And wily! I mean that in a good way.

          • geezer 56

            Stubborn and sneaky. I like it. ;)

          • FaunaAndFlora

            Yep.

    • FaunaAndFlora

      Hey Toastman! Good to see you.

  • onyxe

    So where do you get the e cigarettes that produce so much vapor? I have to suck like a bucker on mine and don’t get a fraction of that!!

    “E-cigarettes contain the addictive substance nicotine”….wrong, e cigarettes do not necessarily contain nicotine. Some do, some don’t.

    • Toastman

      It’s probably a tank system, not a cigalike type.

    • Gin1234

      Is that you, Onyxe?

    • geezer 56

      Evidently, online at least, you can buy ones that have less nicotine, and then get the next step down, until you’re down to zero nicotine. What the heck–I’ve tried everything else.

  • FaunaAndFlora

    Good call, Geezer. We can do this all night!

    • geezer 56

      It’s ET’s nefarious plan to get us to actually comment on their articles. ;)

      • FaunaAndFlora

        I should be in bed now. In fact I was about ready to sign off, but then you threw this bit of monkey theater in the mix. Gotta stay for a little longer!

        • geezer 56

          What was that book? The Monkey Wrench Gang?

          • FaunaAndFlora

            I read the Monkey Wrench Gang, but I was thinking more along the lines of the Merry Pranksters, the Groucho Marxists and the Three Stooges Revolutionary Brigade.

          • geezer 56

            I’m reaching back about 40 years to even get the vaguest impression of the Monkey Wrench Gang. Unless I’m mistaken, it had something to do with billboards.

            And the Merry Pranksters, oh my. I lived in a dorm at college full of people who practically modeled themselves on them. Maybe the most fun I ever had!

          • FaunaAndFlora

            Ken Kesey, baby! Not crazy about all of his novels, but he wrote a few masterpieces, especially ‘One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest’. Another favorite of mine is ‘The Last Go-Round’. It’s about the first Pendleton rodeo and definitely worth a read.

          • Toastman

            Didn’t he have a magic bus too?

          • FaunaAndFlora

            Oh yeah!

          • geezer 56

            Another one for my library “hold” list!

        • http://asympak.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

          Do you bust open a fresh straw bale every nite?

          • FaunaAndFlora

            Nope. I bust open a fresh bale of straw for my birds every two or three days and a fresh bale of hay for my goats every other day.

      • AskandTell

        LOL…favorite post of the night!

    • Toastman

      Hi F&F good to see you. And good to be able to talk to you.

      • FaunaAndFlora

        Hey friend!

  • TapestryMood

    Wow…I didn’t even know they could be sold to minors!!

    • AskandTell

      They are making them in children’s flavors such as strawberry…tobacco companies are soul-less.

      • TapestryMood

        I agree..when I was little we could buy little packs of candy cigarettes…even red tipped..many kids really thought they were cool with them in their mouths..sigh….

        • Toastman

          Gum cigs too.

          • TapestryMood

            Yep..

        • http://asympak.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

          Where’d Dave go? More detective work?

          • TapestryMood

            He’s lost..lol..I am directing him here..he can’t find the article..;-)

          • http://asympak.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            If I could find it — anybody can. A word of caution if ever there was one.

          • MagnaDave

            Looks like I’ve proved you right.

          • Toastman

            ????

          • MagnaDave

            *right

          • TapestryMood

            LOL..;-)

          • TapestryMood

            Good eye, dude;-)

          • geezer 56

            We’ll just move to another article.

          • TapestryMood

            I had to tell him..side of our room..go up to far right…lol..;-) Made me feel empowered since he has to help me with my computer stuff…heh heh..;-P

          • http://asympak.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Is he dividing his time between here and Breitbart? Daily

            Mail?

          • TapestryMood

            He goes to many..I will ask him and tell you another time..I am tired..drained..lol.I hate conflict so it took a lot of courage for my emotional post Up North;-( xoxo ((HUGS)) Night.

        • MagnaDave

          I still do.

          • geezer 56

            There you are, you cutie!

          • MagnaDave

            You can run but you can’t hide.

          • geezer 56

            You can pun but you can’t jive?

          • MagnaDave

            You can sun but you can’t dive.

          • TapestryMood

            You don’t smoke..fibber!

          • Toastman

            He sucks on carrots ;-O

      • geezer 56

        I actually have a plan–well, it isn’t so much of a plan as a pipe dream, if you’ll pardon the awful pun–of quitting real cigarettes by using e-cigs.

        • Toastman

          I did.

          • geezer 56

            Seriously? It worked for you?

          • Toastman

            Yep, but I still suck on zero nic juice.

          • geezer 56

            Hey, that’s great! I’d say half the habit is all about the hand gestures and fiddling, then a quarter is about the actual inhaling, and the last quarter is about the physical addiction.

          • Toastman

            The worst time for fiddling is sitting in front of a computer. Wouldn’t just know it?

          • geezer 56

            OMG, you should see my home office. We’ve been washing the walls in the kitchen lately, but my office may have to just be demolished.

          • MagnaDave

            I know. The fiddle and the bow keep bumping into the computer screen.

          • Toastman

            My biggest problem is rosin in the key board.

          • geezer 56

            Sticky.

        • AskandTell

          I think that is a good plan; it satisfies the oral fixation which is half the battle of quitting. I used to pretend I was smoking with a pencil when I first quit.

          • MagnaDave

            I tried that but I sucked in too many erasers ;-).

            Hey. it’s late. I tried.

          • Toastman

            Sometimes you just have to suck on a carrot ;-)

          • MagnaDave

            Oh, no…

          • geezer 56

            My MD actually warned me about carrots. Lotsa calories in root vegetables.

          • TapestryMood

            LOL>.I was just going to post that;-D

          • geezer 56

            You used to have to get a prescription for a nicotine inhalation thingy. It was big and unwieldy. E-cigs are heavier than a real cig, but they do satisfy.

          • AskandTell

            Just talking about it makes me want a cigarette. I don’t think that feeling will ever go away. When e-cigs first came out, my mind started its own campaign to try them. But when I’m having a horrible day and the world doesn’t like me, I can always remind myself I achieved my goal of quitting which was hard.

          • Toastman

            I would suggest a zero nicotine ecig, but you don’t want to start with the old habits of just going through the motions.

          • geezer 56

            One cool thing I’ve noticed abut e-cigs is you can just take a couple puffs. You don’t feel obligated to smoke a whole cigarette’s worth.

          • geezer 56

            I quit for four years once. Then I had a couple drinks with a smoker friend.

          • AskandTell

            Yes, that’s how it started for me after a long break. Drinks with my girlfriends and we bought a shared pack. I’m too proud of my achievement to even be tempted even when I feel a craving.

          • geezer 56

            Good girl! So glad to hear it. I’m mentally working myself up for the next round. The last time, I used Chantix. It actually worked really well, but I gained a TON of weight and basically went bonkers for about nine months. Seriously, it wasn’t pretty.

          • AskandTell

            The weight thing kept me smoking and is a btch to overcome.

          • geezer 56

            I’m ten pounds away from what I was the last time I quit. And I don’t even want to say how many pounds I’ve had to lose to get to this point!

          • TapestryMood

            (((HUGS))) Stay strong…I watched my dad die of COPD at age 65…my mom of lung cancer at 82;-(

    • http://asympak.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

      They can be sold to my doppelganger, not me. I was the first to post on the doppelganger article, is all I meant by that.

    • Haruko Haruhara

      Yup, some states are banning sales to minors.

      • TapestryMood

        Good!

  • Toastman

    Hey F&F. I want to show you something.

    • FaunaAndFlora

      Please do.

      • Toastman

        *********************************************************************************************************************** Then I’m going to edit the link away.

        *****************************************************************************************

        • FaunaAndFlora

          Got it. Gracias.

  • MagnaDave

    I’m going to flag everyone so we feel at home.

    • geezer 56

      Just downvote me. Just for laughs.

      • MagnaDave

        I tried but I just couldn’t do it.

        • geezer 56

          Baby sloths never downvote. It would be unseemly.

  • MagnaDave

    Blue posted this in another room. Thought everyone might like to be aware of it:

    CJTB

    Mod

    Blue Eyed Bull

    3 minutes ago

    Hello Blue Eyed Bull. I’m sorry that this happening. It does appear
    that a user (or users) are flagging comments. There is not much I can do
    at this point until our tech team looks into this matter and we will
    take the necessary steps to correct it as soon as possible. We apologize
    for the inconvenience this is causing to you and our other readers.
    Please be patient while we look into this. Thank you.
    _________________________

    Thank you ET for recognizing a problem and reaching out to your commentators.

    • geezer 56

      Good.

    • TapestryMood

      Thanks for reposting….and thanks to Blue and others who have done so much contacting for us.

      • Toastman

        Gideon probably though he had a nice job. I would not want his Monday that’s waiting for him.

        • MagnaDave

          They are reposting a lot of the comments that were flagged in the other rooms. Our “friends” are still flagging, though.

          • Electriq

            Hopefully, they’ve turned the corner tonight, Dave.

          • MagnaDave

            I hope so, too. It’s just getting old now.

          • Toastman

            Maybe the mods ca come up with a new plan soon. Maybe login with Facebook? Aaaahhhh.

          • Toastman

            *can*

          • TapestryMood

            Shush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Toastman

            Onxye is doing battle over in one room. Looks like someone trying to pulverize a pinata.

          • TapestryMood

            Where..Onxye gets on a roll and watch out!!

          • MagnaDave

            The Persian room. It’s really kind of funny.

          • MagnaDave

            I saw that. It looks like she (he?) is yelling at the air.

        • TapestryMood

          I know..he is so nice…but I bet WTF, again….just might be in his thought bubble;-(

        • Electriq

          I’m hoping he’s well rested. This stuff needs to be stopped.

    • http://asympak.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

      Perhaps they should leave a trail of breadcrumbs next time it happens? I know, I know; that’s how Jan Brewer *disappeared* Hansel and Gretel.

      • MagnaDave

        LOL! Comment of the Night!

        • http://asympak.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

          I stole it from last night — don’t remember who.

          • AskandTell

            I remember the joke but can’t remember where I heard it. It is a great one.

  • Haruko Haruhara

    Oh, yeah, they’re marketing e-cigs just like they marketed cigarettes in the old days. Look at this!

    This is a real ecig ad that was in SI (thanks to my friend, Pepe)

    http://www.opb.org/images/fetch/c_fill,h_250,q_90,w_460/http%3A//media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/02/28/ecig_custom-f5195ef495c578ad8c8850130b0d053934b80041.jpg

    • FaunaAndFlora

      Oh lordy!

    • Toastman

      Many of the BIG tobacco companies are buying up ecig companies. They want a piece of the pie too.

      • geezer 56

        What cracks me up are articles about how big tobacco companies want to get onto the recreational MJ market, but their plans involve making a pack of joints look exactly like a pack of cigarettes. As if everybody would want that.

        • Toastman

          I wonder what names they would give them. Newport MJ?

          • geezer 56

            Last I heard, they were still thinking Acapulco Gold would be a big draw. I think Philip Morris has a copyright on the name. Could be just a rumor, but it sounds good.

      • Haruko Haruhara

        Yup, they see the future. Ecigs are booming!

    • geezer 56

      So, children are attracted to thigh gap? Things are worse than I thought.

      • Haruko Haruhara

        Well, teen boys …

        • geezer 56

          And as teen boys go, so goes the whole world. Well, as far as Hollywood’s concerned, anyway. ;)

          • FaunaAndFlora

            Well, we do live in a world that is dependent on a system that can be hacked by teen boys with anti-social tendencies. I suspect that’s what we are dealing with now.

          • Haruko Haruhara

            Hee, well, emotional teenagers.

          • geezer 56

            Last time I checked, 14-year-old American boys have more leisure time and more “expendable income” than any other demographic on the planet. Which explains a LOT.

          • FaunaAndFlora

            I have a dear friend, a man, who is fond of saying there will never be world peace as long as there are 14 year old boys.

          • geezer 56

            It’s the Lord of the Flies out there, for sure.

    • Toastman

      Oh, wow. That one is owned by Lorillard.

    • http://asympak.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

      There’s something evocative of the camel, there …

      • Toastman

        Ooooooo ;-)

    • AskandTell

      LOL….how funny.

  • farfaraway

    I agree ecigs shouldn;t be marketed to children. But let me just say, I was able to quit smoking cold turkey with ecigs, after 45 years of smoking cigarettes. Ecigs are a LOT healthier than cigs.

    • Blue Eyed Bull

      But they still have nicotine which is not good for you. BTW, I am a smoker.

      • farfaraway

        True, but you can control the amount of nicotine and many, like myself have brought it down to a very small amount, 4%.

        • Blue Eyed Bull

          Is there a dial on the ecig that controls the nicotine?

          • farfaraway

            No. The way it works is you buy the juice separately with less nicotine and even NO nicotine. I also vape no nicotine often.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            Isn’t that confusing when you are buying an ecig?

          • Toastman

            At first. Then you find a level your are comfy with.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            This sounds harder than buying a computer.

          • geezer 56

            I’m with you there. Sounds expensive, too.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            I think it is cheaper than buying a computer Geezer?

          • Haruko Haruhara

            If you smoke a pack a day, that’s about $40 a week.

          • geezer 56

            If you live in Washington state, it’s more like $75 to $90.

          • farfaraway

            To get started you may spend about $100, but you will have enough juice for a month or so. If you smoke a pack a day and stop smoking altogether you save over $60 a month. But then, you get the vaping bug and you want to try all the gadgets out there, so you have to be careful with your $$. Once you settle with what works for you, you’ll spend about 40-70 dollars a month, depending on how expensive a juice you buy. (If you smoked and vape like me, a pack a day). So in the end, it saves you money.

          • geezer 56

            I’m just leery because I live in a very rural area and would probably end up having to buy all that stuff online, with a credit card. I need to avoid that. Any suggestions? I did get a Blu e-cig kit, but I’ve yet to really get into it. They seem a little temperamental. Maybe I just need to get a little more dedicated to the proposition.

          • Toastman

            Blu is probably the best to start with. After that it’s best to buy blank cartos and batteries and fill your own. I’m puffing on vanilla now.

          • farfaraway

            I’m on my all day vape: Caramel Kona Milkshake, a sweet creamy coffee flavor.

          • geezer 56

            Well, Blu is what I can actually get locally, so right now I just need to give it more of the old college try. But I’m gonna keep FFA’s suggestions in mind, too.

          • farfaraway

            Yes. What I did is open a second checking account at my credit union and use that debit card for Internet purchases. I specifically request the account does NOT have overdraft protection. I place an order with this debit card and just before submitting the order I log into my account and transfer just enough $$ to cover that purchase. If the debit card # gets stolen, any charges they attempt will simply be denied for insufficient funds.

            I use two trusty internet sites: gotvapes DOT com for hardware and virginvapor DOT com for juice.

          • geezer 56

            Whoa! That’s a really good idea! Thank you!

            It’s such a trip here. Talk about “Ask and ye shall receive”!

          • farfaraway

            lolol, thanks!

          • farfaraway

            It is confusing. It may take 3-6 months to find your ideal combo of juice, battery and atomizer. If you buy the ecigs they sell that kinda look like cigarettes (Blue, etc), you are very likely getting a sub-par experience. You need to buy the separate components..

          • Toastman

            You can buy different strength ecigs. All the way down to no nicotine.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            Thanks Toast.

        • farfaraway

          Let me also say that I monitor my blood pressure and heart rate regularly and within a couple of weeks of switching to ecigs my heart rate was lower at 65 bpm from 75-80, and blood pressure came down to 80/130, from 95/145.

          • AskandTell

            That is wonderful…good points.

      • Haruko Haruhara

        They don’t have *nearly* the level of benzene, Polonium-210, formaldehyde, arsenic, cyanide, etc., as tobacco.

        Nicotine all by itself is not *that* bad. It’s kind of bad for your blood pressure, but it’s not what gives you lung cancer. It’s what causes the physical addiction.

        (thanks, Pepe)

        • farfaraway

          This is also true. The tar from the tobacco burning process AND the 4,000+ chemicals in cigarettes is what really kills you.

          • Toastman

            Yep. I still wonder about the e-juice that comes from China.

          • Haruko Haruhara

            So does the FDA.

          • farfaraway

            They should. You never know with China.

          • farfaraway

            I never use those. I buy the best juice available made in the USA and pay twice as much for it. But it’s worth it.

          • AskandTell

            Most of our vitamins come from China. This article about vitamins and the pollution confirm again how silly we are. Vitamins from China are causing us more harm than good.

            http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/361599-5-facts-you-need-to-know-if-your-vitamins-are-from-china/

          • Toastman

            It is crazy all of the “pharmaceuticals” that are prescribed, ingested and “sent” to our waste water facilities only to end up in our rivers.

          • geezer 56

            I’m just glad you didn’t link to the article about sewer and gutter scrapings.

          • Toastman

            Boy, howdy!

          • AskandTell

            Isn’t it also the burning paper? If so, why isn’t rolled MJ bad for you. In coffee shops in Amsterdam, you buy your big joint wrapped in a tobacco leaf.

          • geezer 56

            Maybe that would be a big problem if you smoke 20 joints a day–?

          • AskandTell

            When I was in Amsterdam, young Americans were trying the 20 joint a-day thing. The ambulance had to come to the coffee shop I was in to take the lads away.

          • farfaraway

            LOL, that’s nuts. Two tokes and I’m good for the day.

          • geezer 56

            OK, whoa Nellie! Personally, I’m a one-hit wonder.

          • Toastman

            Must be good stuff.

          • AskandTell

            The coffee shops stock up on coca-cola; they recommend drinking it to keep you from getting too high. It is strong stuff.

          • geezer 56

            I like Blueberry Haze. I’m counting on being able to get some when they open the stores in a few months.

          • Toastman

            :-( I’m jealous. What about visitors? I think I’m going to a wedding in Seattle this summer.

          • geezer 56

            I’ve often thought about what a trip it would be to meet some ETers in person! But if you’re going to Seattle, I’m guessing that’s where some of the first stores will crop up anyway. But you might want to make a week of it. After all, if you buy some, you won’t be able to take it back home with you. ;)

            I keep imagining pot scalpers at SeaTac, willing to buy tourists’ leftovers at a heavy discount.

          • farfaraway

            MJ is bad for your lungs too, no question about it. But you tend to smoke a lot less of it and it doesn’t have the 4,000+ chemicals, plus it actually has beneficial qualities for your health. It’s more of an even trade-off.

          • Toastman

            Studies have shown that users have larger lung capacity compared to cig smokers and some non-smokers.

          • farfaraway

            Could be. Even though I smoked for 45 years, I had good lung capacity because I played 3 hours of racquetball 3 times a week. How much aerobic exercise you do makes a huge difference….

          • Toastman

            Working out can do wonders for a body.

    • geezer 56

      You too? You’re the second person to say that, just on this thread. Gives me hope.

      • FaunaAndFlora

        It may work for some people, but everyone I know who tried to quit using the e-cigarettes are still using e-cigarettes a year later. On the plus side, it is better than cigars, pipes or cigarettes. On the other hand, the nicotine addiction is still there. That said, I hope that you find something that works for you.

        • farfaraway

          This is true. But the fact is ecigs are a lot healthier then inhaling tobacco smoke.

        • geezer 56

          I can get over the nicotine addiction in a week. It’s the lifelong habits that are the hardest to break. For instance, whenever I quit smoking, I feel compelled to eat the universe, just to make up for the hand and mouth boredom.

          • farfaraway

            You, like me, are probably more addicted to the ritual of blowing smoke than the nicotine. Vaping will probably work very well for you.

          • FaunaAndFlora

            Honestly, I smoked a joint every time the nicotine fits started to get the best of me. Sure, I went through a lot reefer for two or three weeks, but I’m better now. ;-)

          • Toastman

            No kidding. Who would be able to get off the couch?

          • FaunaAndFlora

            That wasn’t a problem because I had gotten into the habit of not smoking tobacco before four in the afternoon, long before I got past the nicotine addiction. I use ‘tobacco’ because I went back and forth between cigarettes, cigars and pipes. Lighting up was something I did at the end of the day, after all the chores were done.

          • geezer 56

            I tried that too, and it worked really well, actually, until I ran out and didn’t know where I could get some more. But I live in Washington, so it looks like that’s a possibility for the near future!

      • farfaraway

        Give it a shot. But let me warn you so you don;t lose your patience. It may take 3-6 months to find what works for you. Don’t give up and use YouTube videos to learn. Plenty of them on YouTube.

  • Toastman

    150 comments. That was quick.

  • AskandTell

    One of the reasons I love Mad Men is understanding the history of cigarettes, the marketing, how it ties into our culture, and how advertisers were still able to successfully market a product who’s goal is to first make you addicted and then in high probability, kill you.

    • Electriq

      A consumer product that consumes the consumer..

  • Haruko Haruhara
  • TapestryMood

    Don’t forget to click the star upper right….give some kudos to Catherine Yang..;-)

    • Toastman

      It’s nice we came to this room and posted about ecigs. We are good citizens, spreading the love to other writers. ET should be happy with us even if we attract trolls.

      • TapestryMood

        Let’s keep telling ourselves that;-) Bet Catherine will be thrilled!

        • Toastman

          Well… we didn’t post 150 comments on cheese ;-)

          • TapestryMood

            LOL..maybe we should request an article..I could use some cheese edumafacation;-)

          • Toastman

            Edamame or ementaler? One’s a cheese and one’s a bean ;-)

          • TapestryMood

            Adamame/edamame is a bean;- )

            Night!! Mwah;-))

          • Toastman

            Nite. They are here.. Your comment up top is flagged. Good to see you. Sleep well.

          • Toastman

            You too Taps. Great to see you. Sleep well.

            Your comment at the top is flagged. Dam!

          • TapestryMood

            What,..my goodbye or trolllllllllllllllllll;-)

            Never mind..night;-)

    • AskandTell

      Good reminder Tap; thanks.

      • TapestryMood

        Welcome;-)

    • Richard M

      Why doesn’t the star have a counter, anymore?

      • TapestryMood

        I don’t know..to avoid hurt feeling amongst the authors;-) It is probbly counted for them, somehow anyway…;-P

        • Richard M

          Does the star mean we like the article? Or the comments?

          • TapestryMood

            The article is my assumption…this way they have feedback about authors ..topics to ET. I.think it was RT_Dude who asked us to do it when we first came aboard here..for our “rooms” and articles..
            G’Nite..sweet dreams about leather and whips;-D

          • Richard M

            I can’t sleep. My neighbor asked me to help out a bum. So I drove the bum to his Dr appts and all around town. And, of course, he will pay me for my gas “later”..

            Then I “loan” him money. So before long the bum is ringing my phone six times a day. So I got tired of it and quit taking his calls.

            Then yesterday he’s here hammering on my door, while I’m trying to sleep….Not once, but five or six times…. So I just ignored him. Later I went out and saw he vandalized my car.

            No good deed goes unpunished, eh?

          • TapestryMood

            I am so sorry to hear this…I suppose no charges can be filed since it wasn’t witnessed….I hope you have a garage so it cannot happen again;-(.
            xoxoxo

  • FaunaAndFlora

    I really do need to get some sleep. Good night friends. I leave you with a song.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJX-nnCjoUM

    • Toastman

      Nite F&F.

    • geezer 56

      Night F&F! Follow the bread crumbs tomorrow. I’m assuming they might be a little harder to find than usual!

    • TapestryMood

      Good night…

  • geezer 56

    Hey, is everybody here zipped up? With a little luck, we could run this sucker for the next several days, if needed.

    • Toastman

      I hope so. If not we move to the next. Give some other writers a boost.

      • Haruko Haruhara

        Sometimes I feel bad I don’t comment on more of their stories.

  • TapestryMood

    Ooops.

  • TapestryMood

    Good night everyone..what a grrat thread….new people…knowledge gained..good laughs..I needed it and imagine many of you feel the same.
    Have a great week..xoxoxo (((HUGS)))

    • MagnaDave

      Nite xoxoxo (((HUGS))) D

      • TapestryMood

        xoxox(((HUGS))) for you and Mama Kitty…C

        • Toastman

          How did you guys post? I got the red line.

          • TapestryMood

            I have no idea..it just worked..

          • farfaraway

            I’ve been getting the red line. But if you try again, modifying the post (like adding a period) so it looks like a different post, it eventually goes through. I’m convinced mods are reactivating flagged messages or some sort of bug is going on.

          • TapestryMood

            Thank you..great to know!!

    • TapestryMood

      Great. thread…I do know how to spell great..LOL;-)

      • geezer 56

        Tony the Tiger: it was GRRAT!

        • TapestryMood

          ROTF;;-P

  • Toastman

    Night all. It was nice to chat with no interruptions.

    • geezer 56

      Mwah, T-Man! Careful with those mustaches, now.

    • TapestryMood

      I have to laugh at our comments earlier today..lol..Midnight at Epoch is alive and well..xoxo;-)

      • Toastman

        So much for self control ;-)

        • TapestryMood

          I know…ha!!;-)

  • AskandTell

    Jerry Mathers from Leave It to Beaver loves his Virgin Vapor goodies.

    Even the Beav is now an e-smoker. Not sure how I feel about that!

  • geezer 56

    Poor Ask seems to have been targeted. Let’s hope all this silliness dissipates at some point tomorrow.

    But in the meantime, Jerry Mathers was born in 1948. Give “the Beev” a break! ;)

    • MagnaDave

      Taps is being flagged, too. I never realized that flagging was such a satisfying hobby.

      Sigh…

      • http://asympak.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

        She heard from me plenty — it was nice while it lasted.


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