The Agora


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  • geezer 56

    Wheeee!

  • geezer 56

    I like the new picture. Thank you ET!

    • allison1050

      I love it

  • epazote

    Where is everyone ???
    I ‘m first here….nanner, nanner

    • geezer 56

      Nanner nanner!

      • epazote

        We tied for first place !
        Do we get a trophy or ribbon ?

        • geezer 56

          Ahem. Clearly I got here first…. Maybe I’ll get a badge, or special cursing privileges. ;)

          • Gin1234

            Clearly, the two of you are not part of the grownup internet.

          • geezer 56

            (hee hee hee!)

          • epazote

            Am proud to live up to my mom’s diagnosis of arrested development

          • TapestryMood

            lmao…:-) You debil;-)

          • Sharyn

            Ha ha hi guys. That grown up Internet over at HP is a lonely place full of like minds!

        • Toastman

          Either a Yogi button or a honorary “Epoch At Midnight” membership. Your choice ;-)

          • epazote

            But I want a Toucan or maybe a Kymodo dragon

          • Toastman

            I got jammed up with customs when I brought those in one other time. Would a Bonobo be acceptable?

          • epazote

            How about a poisonous Brazilian pond frog ?

          • Toastman

            Only if I get the first lick.

          • epazote

            They look like molten lava, and have *hands* with opposable *thumbs* which are used to catch their prey.

          • geezer 56

            I’ll happily give you a bobobo tomorrow for a hamburger today.

          • Toastman

            Deal.

  • Toastman

    O boy. I get to be the first post. Dang you two type faster than I do.

    • Cynthia W.

      I guess that makes me fourth–an “also ran”

      • Toastman

        I guess our reflexes just aren’t what they used to be :-(

  • Cynthia W.

    Lovely—thank you so very much !!!

  • TapestryMood

    Ahhh…The Agora…the gathering place..or assembly…have to love those ancient Greeks;-)
    Please click the blue star…. Epoch is so good to us!

    • Toastman

      My star is yellow. What’s up with that?

      • TapestryMood

        Really…mine is grey-blue….did it change after you clicked it?

        • Toastman

          Yep. But just grey. Hmmm.

          • TapestryMood

            All the writing….reply..share..etc…here looks grey-blue to me…lol..maybe my eyes are *off*..;-)

  • Gin1234

    Who was popularly demanding a new thread?

    • geezer 56

      It’s been kinda glitchy for some people the last few days.

      • Gin1234

        Oh. Well maybe it was a little for me, too.

  • Shang Tseezy

    FIRST!

  • Gin1234

    I’d like to visit the new picture. Cool.

    • Cynthia W.

      I just blew the picture up and used it as my desktop back round—cool !!!!

      • Gin1234

        What type of explosive did you use?

        • Cynthia W.

          Good one !!!

  • forpeace

    The Agora (Ancient Greek) was a central spot in ancient Greek city-states. The literal meaning of the word is “gathering place” or “assembly”. The agora was the center of athletic, artistic, spiritual and political life of the city. The Ancient Agora of Athens was the best-known example.

    Does it mean we will see Ms. AH in here too?

    Have a lovely evening everyone!

    See you all soon, Peace & Love to all.

    • Sarah Sahasbeen

      If she shows up here, we have to draw straws to see who gets to throw her out first.

    • Sharyn

      Don’t mention her here! The ancient Greeks were pretty big on the tragedy of hubris and she reeks of it. She doesn’t deserve to be Greek. She’s no 5th century Greek thinker, that’s for certain. She’d be more comfy in the Caesar-Pompey-Crassus-era Roman senate.

      Et tu, Ariana?

  • GidonBelmaker

    I just want to say: I really was here first.
    All you people claiming they are the first to comment are frauds. I just don’t mark my territory like you do :)

    • Gin1234

      We demand documentation of all claims.

      • Sarah Sahasbeen

        Pictures or it doesn’t count.

        • Gin1234

          Pictures on a verified account on face book.

          • geezer 56

            I want Gidon’s phone number.

          • Gin1234

            Will his birth certificate do?

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            Only if it’s a long form, with a raised seal from the clerk’s office and verified, notarized signature.

          • Gin1234

            Do those have those baby footprints on them? I want that, too.

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            I’m not sure. Mine doesn’t have them, but I think just the hospitals do that now. Of course, I was born at home, so that may be why mine doesn’t have them.

          • Gin1234

            Perhaps you are not really a citizen.

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            Well, I do have an American passport, so I must be a real citizen.

          • Gin1234

            Okay, you got me there.

          • GidonBelmaker

            Sorry, Married

          • geezer 56

            Wasn’t proposing. Just want the option to give you a good-natured ribbing whenever the fancy strikes me. ;)

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            Do you fool around?

          • GidonBelmaker

            No

          • geezer 56

            Good answer! We like you!

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            Just checking. You’d better not.

    • FaunaAndFlora

      Thank you.

    • Canukistani

      :-) Has 93rd been claimed yet?

      • FaunaAndFlora

        I’ll settle for 15th.

    • forpeace

      You have a great sense of humor, Gidon. ;-)

      We can always check the OLDEST comment!!

    • geezer 56

      A mod with a sense of humor. You shock me, sir.

    • TapestryMood

      Excellent;-D

    • Sarah Sahasbeen

      We really do appreciate all you do for us. It’s still kind of mind-blowing to have a site that actually cares about its commenters. Thanks again.

      • Peegan

        Amen to that

    • geezer 56

      Fortunately, we have almost a whole year to arrange a holiday gift basket for y’all.

      • Blue Eyed Bull

        Whose volunteering to handle it?

        • geezer 56

          Well, we were just assuming it would be you, Blue! ;)

      • GidonBelmaker

        Or, you have a few hours to get us a Chinese new year basket

        • TapestryMood

          Red Envelopes, too;-)

        • geezer 56

          OOPS!

    • Cynthia W.

      I’ve talked about ET to all my friends, some from other countries, to tell them about this wonderful site.

    • Peegan

      Braggart. :)

    • Toastman

      Now you have thrown down the gauntlet. Beware of some of the folks here ;-)

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    This story really is beyond any comprehension I have. This poor lady in PA is at the mercy of a gas fracking company. And this is what they want to bring to southern NY.

    http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/01/fracking-company-banned-woman-her-grocery-store

    • TapestryMood

      I didn’t know Mother Jones was Disqus! Thank you.
      She will be considered a hero once more people know about it…and, hopefully more support for her case!

    • Classical_Gas

      That’s absolutely horrible.

      “Just retreat quietly to your Free Speech Zones and nobody will get hurt…..”

    • Canukistani

      That’s terrible! Those companies really do own the country. i didn’t think it had gotten that far yet.

      • Sarah Sahasbeen

        So far, they have been prevented from drilling around Binghamton, but they aren’t going to be able to hold out forever against the frackers.

        • Canukistani

          There’s so much money in it it’s hard to see how anybody’s going to be able to stop it, or even stop it from getting worse. I feel sorry for the people effected by what they’re doing … their victims.

  • AskandTell

    I predict Christie and his Lt Gov resign by this summer.

    Christie used Sandy money as political slush fund, evidence shows (Editorial)
    http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2014/01/christie_awards_political_ally.html

    Christie says drop dead
    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/christie-drop-dead-article-1.1595970

    • Peegan

      Nice to se the big boy sweat.

      • Classical_Gas

        Flop sweat!

        • TapestryMood

          Just like his flop in the polls now that people are finally finding out the reality of him, as many of us posted about him long ago!
          Hi, CG….hope all is going fine for you and yours;-)

          • Classical_Gas

            From your lips…!

            Hiya, Tap! All is well here, thanks – even considering getting buried in snow. :-) Hope you and yours are all well and happy.

      • Sarah Sahasbeen

        That happens just from him breathing.

    • Canukistani

      Won’t be too much longer ’til nobody really cares what he says.

      • Toastman

        Does this mean I need to start caring to stop?

        • Canukistani

          :-) I’m sure somebody out there still cares. I just can’t imagine who it is.

    • Sarah Sahasbeen

      I give them until Easter.

    • cal haughtly

      If he intended to do the right thing wouldn’t he already have resigned?

      • AskandTell

        I have no doubt he’ll do the right thing for the Republican party.

        Regarding the Giuliani “Fifty Fifty Whether Christie Knew” statement, Howard Fineman tweeted this:

        “Former Gotham mayor sends sky signal to Batman (Jeb) Bush.”

        • cal haughtly

          Lord Jeb is next in line. What a sorry state the Republican party is in. I’m not sure Christie can’t drag this out past 2016…took a long time to get Governor Ryan behind bars.

    • FDRliberal

      This below does not sound like the actions of a “hands-off” governor

      Staff members in the governor’s office created tabbed and color-coded dossiers on the mayors of each town — who their friends and enemies were, the policies and projects that were dear to them — that were bound in notebooks for the governor to review in his S.U.V. between events.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/nyregion/for-christie-politics-team-kept-a-focus-on-two-bids.html

      • Sarah Sahasbeen

        They should have requested a tank to drive him around in. It would have been more fitting.

        • cal haughtly

          No way for Christie to get inside aTank

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            Well, he could have ridden on the outside, and pointed out which mayors he wanted them to fire at.

          • cal haughtly

            He could do that from a blimp

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            They’d never get a blimp off the ground with him in it.

          • cal haughtly

            I would rather get in a blimp with Christie than an elevator

      • Cynthia W.

        He had binders full of friends and foes

        • cal haughtly

          Wonder if women had a separate color code?

          • Toastman

            An entirely separate dossier for women.

          • HamletsMill

            For sure. It’s Jersey. Like “Snooki”. NOT like “Snooki.”

      • AskandTell

        From the NYT article..interesting.

        “The governor put Ms. Kelly in charge of working with towns on Hurricane Sandy relief money.”

        • FDRliberal

          Another revealing article from the Times shows specifically how they put pressure on the Hoboken mayor, along with a detailed historical background.

          By the mayor’s accounting, the pressure really began last spring. In an April email, Hoboken’s planning lawyer wrote that Mr. Samson and Lori Grifa, a lobbyist from his firm and a former member of Mr. Christie’s cabinet, wanted to meet with him. The planning lawyer wrote that he was “getting the full court press on this.”

          Later that month, Hoboken officials discovered that Ms. Grifa was going to be in attendance at the May 9 meeting in Trenton about flooding. “If this is a meeting between city and state, please explain what role Lori Grifa has in this,” a mayoral aide, Stephen Marks,

          http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/30/nyregion/powerful-allies-pushed-a-project-in-new-jersey.html

    • Cynthia W.

      Christie hasn’t got the temperament to fight this very effectively. He just has the temper.

  • BornOkayTheFirstTime

    Meh, no wonder the other thread seemed to have gone silent. The post about the new thread didn’t show until Canuk mentioned it and I refreshed the page. Moving on.

    • Canukistani

      Ahh. There you are!

      • BornOkayTheFirstTime

        Funny how that works. Everywhere I go, there I am.

        • Canukistani

          Hmm, I looked around and there he was. Gone.

          • geezer 56

            Poof!

        • allison1050

          I’m feeling slightly dizzy are you? I had recently posted a new comment on the other thread and began to scroll down and read your comment and Canuk’s..that’s how I found out.

          • Canukistani

            Good! I didn’t want you lost again.

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            Aren’t you supposed to say ‘eh’ after your sentences?

          • Canukistani

            Eh?

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            How did I know that was going to be your response?

          • Canukistani

            I couldn’t think of anything better, eh? Maybe I need more beer.

          • BornOkayTheFirstTime

            Not quite dizzy but musically inspired. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU

  • Toastman

    I got a fortune cookie the other night that said I would be mugged on my way to my car. I didn’t know what to do.

    • Gin1234

      So you haven’t used your car since then?

      • Toastman

        It’s still in the parking lot. I called a cab ;)

        • Sarah Sahasbeen

          I would have done the same. Can’t be too careful these days.

  • geezer 56

    Good God. I guess I won’t include the SPCA in my will, after all.

    • Classical_Gas

      ???

      • geezer 56

        Watch Rachel.

        • Classical_Gas

          Darn – no TV here. :-(

          • geezer 56
          • Classical_Gas

            Thanks!!! :D

          • geezer 56

            Ask and Tell just turned me on to this today! I don’t know whether to bless her or curse her, since now the only compelling reasons I have to get off off the computer are to eat and go to the bathroom.

          • Classical_Gas

            I hear you there! :-)

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            Google msnbc streaming. The first one that comes up will let you watch on your computer. It’s from Hulk US

          • Classical_Gas

            Thanks, Sarah – I’ve had trouble getting that site to load and play. ~sigh~ The wonders of XP…

          • allison1050

            Go to MSNBC

          • AskandTell

            MSNBC doesn’t stream. There is a two hour delay before they post a show online.

      • Haruko Haruhara

        Classy!

        • Classical_Gas

          Haruko!

    • BornOkayTheFirstTime

      I’m guessing you’re watching TRMS right now, yes?

    • TapestryMood

      LOL..Hey..it’s Joisey’s…I just posted about it..Rachel and her crew are awesome!

    • Gin1234

      The SPCA or NJ SPCA. I don’t wanna watch anything that makes me unhappy, so just tell me.

      • geezer 56

        NJ.

      • allison1050

        Hey Gin, it’s not about puppies and kittens ya havta watch.

        • Gin1234

          Okay, that’s all I need to know. I’ll try to catch the repeat. Thanks.

    • Feistyslug

      Hey geezer, is this going to make me cry?

      • geezer 56

        Only if you like the SPCA. It’s not about animals. It’s about the SPCA acting like a paramilitary organization. Holy freakin’ moly.

        • Feistyslug

          I was worried animals were going to suffer in this story.

          • geezer 56

            I wouldn’t have been able to watch it if that had been the case.

          • Feistyslug

            Right there with ya sister!! Animal abusers should all be shipped to Marcus Bachmann’s reform school.

          • geezer 56

            That would be letting them off too easy, to my mind.

  • TapestryMood

    Rachel Maddow’s expose on New Jersey’s SPCA will blow your minds…even for New Jersey!!

    • Feistyslug

      Hey Taps!! Oh no is this going to be a sad animal story?

      • TapestryMood

        Corruption..runamuck people …an SPCA that is more like an unregulated paramilitary group…no animals involved in this expose….New Jersey is one fked up state!

        • Feistyslug

          As long as it isn’t sad animal stories as a result. I can’t stand those nor the ppl that inflict them.

          • TapestryMood

            I know, you sweetie…but, we human mammals need legal protections from-cretins like those running New Jersey….and have had such a long history of doing so!
            xoxo..GO SEAHAWKS;-)

          • Feistyslug

            GO HAWKS!!

          • Richard M

            Go Peyton! Go Broncos! AFC rules!

          • TapestryMood

            Aren’t y’all just so cute;-)
            Meet you here Sunday evening…High 5′s all around…let’s just hope the ref’s call a clean game….no matter the winner, I’d like it not to depend upon controversy.
            Psst..Hawks Rule;-)

          • Richard M

            It’s going to be a barn burner. See you here!

          • MagnaDave

            Um, you’re anti-NJ rant is both unfathomable and unattractive.

            Care to compare state mottoes?

            Garden State versus Al-ki?

            Um, really?

            And no, “By and by” doesn’t make it any better.

        • MagnaDave

          Maybe that’s where the dogs of war come from?

          Yeah, I got nothin’…

          • TapestryMood

            Valiant effort;-)

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            You got us.

          • MagnaDave

            That helps. Really, it does.

    • BornOkayTheFirstTime

      Wow, at first it seemed to me like, “oh good, just more New Jersey politics stupidity”.

      . . . . aaaaaand then it ties back to the governor’s office. I guess I should have seen that coming.

      • TapestryMood

        The more we learn about New Jersey and its politics, the more sad I am for its citizens….Geezuz!

        • MagnaDave

          NJ created me so I think that your liberal-elitist talking point has been thusly debunked.

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            There’s always one exception to the rule. Consider yourself exceptional.

          • MagnaDave

            You made my day, Sarah!

            Thanks.

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            I do what I can.

          • MagnaDave

            No-one does it like you!

          • TapestryMood

            I knew you lived here..didn’t know you were born there..hmm..that answers some questions for me;-)

          • MagnaDave

            No, I wasn’t born there. I grew up there.

            Still debunked.

        • Richard M

          Instead of grass, in highway medians, Joisey has green painted rocks!

          • TapestryMood

            Are you spoofin’ me? Hmmm….secret tombstones??

          • MagnaDave

            Jealous?

          • Cynthia W.

            Where are they? I haven’t seen them

          • MagnaDave

            I think he was joking. SOME people don’t realize what a beautiful state it is. Current politics aside.

          • Richard M

            Garden State Parkway. Especially in the urban areas.

    • allison1050

      Her show is the only one I watch regularly, the expose blew my mind!

      • TapestryMood

        The poor people living in that cesspool of a state…man!!
        I listened to Rachel for years on my radio going home from work…adored her…and, even more so now that he and her staff have such a great platform from which to inform!!

        • allison1050

          I never ever miss her show and kinda listen while reading. This expose is the better side of too much.

    • geezer 56

      I’m gonna have to watch it again. Too much to process.

  • Feistyslug

    New digs!! This calls for music!!

    The Noisettes – Sometimes

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHNliPYucGM

    • Canukistani

      Evenin’! Glad you found our new digs.

      • Feistyslug

        Hey Canuk!! We sure keep outgrowing our facilities.

        • Canukistani

          I just took a look and we’re speeding along at well over 100 comments an hour. Fasten your seat belt.

          • Feistyslug

            Hands up!!! Wheeeeee!

      • allison1050

        Did you see my last comment on the old digs? As I scrolled down I saw your shout out about the new digs. Thanks

        • Canukistani

          I did. That’s what caught my eye. I still have a window open there. People should find the link easily enough, but a few won’t notice so I’ll give them a hand.

          • allison1050

            Thanks so much Canuk you’re a doll!

          • Canukistani

            The thread was just closed. That might make it a little trickier.

          • Richard M

            I think it’s only temporarily closed. The other thread (two universes back) re-opened after a while.

          • Richard M

            I saw your comment saying there is a new site, but it didn’t include an address….:-(……Kinda like going to your fave sub shop and seeing “We have moved”

          • Canukistani

            Yeah, since the link had just been posted a comment or 2 below I thought it was enough to just offer a nudge to look.

    • Toastman

      Hey Feisty. Still up for some good blues?

      • Feistyslug

        You know I am friend.

        • Toastman

          I will have to go to the vault for you.

          • Feistyslug

            Oooooo – special blues.

          • Toastman

            John Lee Hooker – Blues Brothers – Boom Boom Boom

            From the Blues Brothers film.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn_PF4L470w

          • Feistyslug

            Love John Lee. Thanks for this.

          • BornOkayTheFirstTime

            You might also like this version he did with Big Head Todd and the Monsters (1997) — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADw0Y8JGF-I

          • Feistyslug

            That is excellent.

          • HamletsMill

            Thank you so much for this! I produced the Earth Day 1990 Concert at Point State Park on April 20, 1990. I put “Big Head Todd” on the stage at the South Side Venue at the last minute! They had been playing for three years. I thought they were local! Duh! I found out later they were passing through Pittsburgh and had contacted the Steering Committee about playing so I put them on. I did not get to see them that Day. But people came to me later and said “Wow! Was that band good!” Years later I knew they had been successful. But now I just Googled them and see they have been SPECTACULARLY successful over the last 24 years! Wow! Just great! You have made my Day!

            Big Head Todd and The Monsters – Bittersweet (Live at Red Rock)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyd9OcI37AY

          • BornOkayTheFirstTime

            Ha, great story. I have a few of their albums and think they’re all around pretty solid. That’s a excellent live performance of one of my favorite songs of theirs. I think you might’ve just made my day as well.

            My favorite, from the same live set — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnQwk7C-r8Y

      • allison1050

        me me me!

        • HamletsMill

          Here try this until Toastman can get something to you!

          Warren Haynes ­with Joe Bonamassa — Guitar Center’s King of the Blues 2011

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX14smq21HE

          • Feistyslug

            Hello HM!! This is very nice!!

          • HamletsMill

            Feisty!!!

          • Feistyslug

            Hugs!!

          • HamletsMill

            Game Day – only what – about 72 hours away? GO SEAHAWKS!

          • Feistyslug

            Got a new NFC Divsional Championship Tshirt. That’s gonna help!!

          • HamletsMill

            What does Hubby have in retaliation? You may have to go with the NFL un-approved vacuum cleaner attachment strategy…to get him out of the Game. Just say’in…

          • Feistyslug

            I like that plan. He tried not to wash his lucky jersey from last week’s win, but I got that baby washed!! Also Seattle’s defense is gonna shut down Peyton – I hope!!

          • HamletsMill

            You are truly formidable! Washing a lucky Jersey can be psychologically devastating for guys! And the fact that you are willing to go to unauthorized us of a vacuum cleaner attachment to turn the tide is something ESPN would have to factor in!

            The Seahawk Game Plan is just this simple: Keep the Broncos and Manning off the field like the Broncos did to The Patriots! Looks like Bundchen will be out of some new jewelry for herself this year because the NFL paycheck will be down for Tom!

          • Richard M

            Hope it is very absorbent. For tears and such!…..;-}

          • Feistyslug

            Cut back on the blue jello friend. Gonna be hard to work against that defense!!

          • Richard M

            We’ll see. It should be a great game. It’ll be hard to top the NFC Championship game but I’m looking forward to it….And of course the friendly play by play commentary here!

          • Cynthia W.

            I’m just wondering about the weather. Feel kind of bad for those sitting out there in the cold.

          • Richard M

            I’m guessing, if they can afford to spring for several grand on such an outing, they can afford hand warmers, etc.

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            I heard on the radio this afternoon that ticket sales are so bad, they’ve dropped top prices from $12000 to $7000.

          • MagnaDave

            Oh, good! Now I can afford to go!

            Ha! Good one, Dave!

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            Maybe I’ll join you. ROFLMAO

          • MagnaDave

            Luckily, after being distracted by the sleet storm, I remembered that I had to pay the cable bill today. I almost didn’t get to see it at home, lol.

          • Richard M

            Cool! Maybe if we hang out in the lot we can get free tickets, just before kickoff.

          • MagnaDave

            I bet they will feel bad that we are sitting at home. Nothing like seeing it in person (I would think) no matter what the weather.

            Not that I am disagreeing in any way with your kind sentiment. I just have a feeling that, no matter what, they will be happy to be there.

            Assuming that some clown doesn’t shut down any bridges, lol.

          • Richard M

            Peyton rules! First QB in NFL history to win Super Bowl for two different teams!

          • HamletsMill

            A “note-for-note” Tour de Force after the 6:00 mark in the moveable blues boxes on the fret board! Master chops for everyone!

          • Feistyslug

            There now – great stuff!!

          • allison1050

            What can I say except thanks!!

          • HamletsMill

            You are most welcome! Looks like you and Feisty are getting into your blues discography now! Warren Haynes and Joe Bonamassa dueling note for note in 2011! Here is “Smok’in Joe Bonamassa” at the age of 13 back in 1992! Blues prodigy!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvHEyAnS0bs

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            And I got to see him live back then. Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah.

          • Feistyslug

            Your maturity is stellar tonite friend!!

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            You’d do the same thing if you had been able to see him live at school in a battle of the bands. Everybody went crazy when it was announced he was going to be on the Tonight Show. That’s all anyone talked about at the time.

          • Feistyslug

            All right, we’ll allow this moment of levity.

          • HamletsMill

            Wow! He is just incredible!

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            Joe was in the 7th grade at the time I taught at that particular school. Then I moved to Paris to get my Master’s in French. But I check his website every once in a while to see where he’s playing. He’s going to be in Pittsburgh May 6th, just for you.

          • HamletsMill

            Thanks for the heads up! He is truly marvelous!

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            I haven’t decided where to go to see him. He’s playing Syracuse and Wilkes-Barre, so it’s pretty equal distance-wise from here. I’ll have to check the calendar to see which works better with my teaching schedule.

          • HamletsMill

            In that piece from 1992 he seemed very humble and level headed. Was he really that way in the 7th grade? If so, just a remarkable person!

            Another self taught blues prodigy was Derek Trucks in 1993!
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLQTbmUYI4A

            Grace for the World! Two of the greatest players in 2014!

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            Yeah, he really was that way. One of the nicest kids I’ve ever met. Nothing fazed him. It was like he knew how amazingly talented he was, but it was normal for him and he was just a typical kid. Never put on airs or became snooty.

          • HamletsMill

            Wonderful! It is apparent he loves that instrument!

  • Haruko Haruhara

    A musical number for Uintah Elementary School.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlJugdk4OGc

  • Feistyslug

    I had a stubborn mental image of Chris Christie in an orange jumpsuit. Not good. But probably prophetic.

    • Shang Tseezy

      his former attorney is investigating him. :|

      • Feistyslug

        Who isn’t investigating him? Investigating being a loose term, since when you leave a trail like he has left, investigation is not really required.

        • allison1050

          Ha!

    • FDRliberal

      It doesn’t bode well for Christie when BFFs like Guiliani are jumping off the ship:

      Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Thursday there is a “fifty-fifty” chance New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) knew about an order to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge in September.
      http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/giuliani-fifty-fifty-closures

      • Feistyslug

        Gonna need a bigger bus . . .

        • apogee2perogee

          With a lift kit to gain some clearance….

          • Feistyslug

            Maybe a couple.

      • Richard M

        If by fifty-fifty, you mean $50,000 in one hand and fifty cents in the other.

        • FDRliberal

          Rudy knows all about BFFs going to jail. E.g., Bernie Kerik, who had a correctional facility named after him by Rudy. This name was later removed after Kerik himself wound up behind bars.

          • MagnaDave

            Forgot about that debacle. Thanks!

          • Richard M

            LOL. That would be poetic if he went to his own prison!

      • Gin1234

        So maybe we won’t have to look at him anymore on talk shows defending Christie. Him of all people.

        • MagnaDave

          Noun-verb-Christie?

    • allison1050

      You know it wasn’t really necessary to share that mental image.

      • Feistyslug

        But, but you’re my friends. I needed to decompress!!

        • allison1050

          Okay Okay but just this one time Feisty.

    • BornOkayTheFirstTime

      Prison fashion by Cabela’s.

      • Feistyslug

        Not. Enough. Cammo.

        • BornOkayTheFirstTime

          I was thinking more along the lines of this.

          • Feistyslug

            Link didn’t work, but I got the gist!! LOL!!

          • BornOkayTheFirstTime

            I had to edit it because the original version didn’t post right (some unusual characters in the link). You’ll need to either refresh the page or go into my comment history to get the working version. My bad.

    • geezer 56

      Orange generally isn’t a very good look on white people.

      • BornOkayTheFirstTime

        Tell that to Boehner.

        • Feistyslug

          Ha!! Good one!!

      • Feistyslug

        Or enormous ppl.

    • Richard M

      Hmmm. There ain’t anyplace like this place, anywhere near this place. So this must be the place!

      Blue Jello for everyone! On the house!

      Hiya, Feisty. Shall we notify Omar the tent maker to begin work on Christies orca sized jumpsuit?

      • Feistyslug

        I like your blue jello, I see things when I eat it.

      • apogee2perogee

        Jello, please !

    • AskandTell

      Fascinating look at Christie’s 22 biggest state secrets. Lists the information Christie has refused to disclose to the public and the lawsuits that have been filed as a result.

      http://www.wnyc.org/story/chris-christies-22-biggest-state-secrets/

      • Feistyslug

        Wow, he needs a shovel just to find the shovel.

  • Fattonecat
    • Feistyslug

      Hello friend!! I am enjoying Freddie’s rendition.

      • Fattonecat

        Hey there !! Can’t stay and shoot the bull tonight…in the middle of a project…. just thought I’d swing by and leave a tune ;) ) Have a good night !!

        • Feistyslug

          Thanks see ya later!!

  • gmb007

    Ooooooo……………PRETTY Agora!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think ET loves us. : )

    • BornOkayTheFirstTime

      I’m a little disappointed. I misread it and thought we were being treated to wonderfully fluffy bunnies.

      • gmb007

        LOL!!!!!!!

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    We have reason to THANK Mr. Snowden after all (for those of you — such as myself — who think we didn’t likely have cause to do so before): http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/csec-used-airport-wi-fi-to-track-canadian-travellers-edward-snowden-documents-1.2517881

    • Gin1234

      They are in every single part of our lives. I don’t like Mr. Snowden and his tactics, but you are right, we didn’t realize all this before him.

      • Ian_Llanganagain

        I just never understood the outrage, nor the reason for him to flee. Details of what the NSA has been up to were publicly published as far back as 2006, so I don’t know why all the recent outage. Seemed everything was peachy keen when The Shrub was in charge.

        • Gin1234

          Yes but people didn’t have it in their face until he put it there. I just don’t think he should have gone about releasing the information the way he did.

          • Ian_Llanganagain

            Totally agreed. There are ways to do things and ways not to do things and he picked the latter.

          • MagnaDave

            As shallow as I am, one of the things that disturbs me the most is that smug look on his face in what appears to be the only picture of him ever taken.

          • Gin1234

            lol. Yeah, surely he made others available before he left. It’s not shallow to think that way because it goes to the heart of why he did it. I don’t think he had the country in mind so much as he had the recognition he thought it would bring him. I think he was a bit surprised that he wasn’t looked at as the hero he hoped he would be. I think he did it for attention.

          • Cynthia W.

            I agree with you. Many are calling him a hero because they think he did this for the citizens of the US. If so, then why bring up all the info concerning other countries? How does he know what will and what will not be dangerous to reveal? Calling him a hero only encourages others to follow his example. There’s got to be a better way than stealing classified info and exposing it to foreign countries.

          • Gin1234

            I agree. Who knows what damage he did to our foreign policy. It has already put up a wall between us and some in Europe, and who knows how it endangers us. We needed to know what they were doing to us, but I don’t think the world needed to know what we were doing to them. They all do it, too, but it makes us look like we are the only ones. The idea that the US government should allow him back in the country and forgive him, is laughable. I don’t know what the answer is, or how he should have gone about it, but the way he did it did not make things better.

          • Ian_Llanganagain

            Actually the part about bringing up info about other countries is the part some of us (who are from some of those other countries!) are lauding. As for him taking that info to Russia(!!!) by way of China (!!!!!!), that’s a whole ‘nother story. Fella is not too bright. There are better ways to alert the world to a problem!

          • Gin1234

            I’m always relieved when I see that other countries are being found out for what they do. At first it made it seem like the US was the only one doing it all over the world.

          • Cynthia W.

            We all know that other countries do it. They just don’t have a Snowden to embarrass them.

          • Gin1234

            So they can pretend they are pure and dump on us. You know they want to so bad.

          • Canukistani

            To give him the benefit of the doubt, I’m inclined to think that he was afraid that if he went through channels he’d have been shut up and maybe even locked up as well.

            I don’t think he chose the best way either, but I can kind of see why he might have did it the way he did.

          • BornOkayTheFirstTime

            I think being locked up was the least of Snowden’s worries. He was probably more concerned about physical coercion or even being made to disappear completely.

          • Canukistani

            I think that’s quite possibly true. It’s true that may not have happened, but you have to remember that paranoia is a prerequisite in that line of work. It’s not surprising to me that he’d apply that same paranoia to his own situation.

          • Richard M

            Just like FBI agent Stephen Ivens…..Remember the panic the Feds were in when he disappeared? Hundreds, if not thousands of Fed, State and locals beating the bushes to find him. Then months later his completely decomposed corpse is found a block from his house?

            Then there was Michael Hastings. Investigates the Feds and his car just decides to slam into a tree at 140 MPH on a residential street.

            If Snowden was where the Feds could get to him, he would be dead.

          • Cynthia W.

            Thing is—he ended up in Russia, of all places. If he premeditated this, which his departure showed he did by leaving the country BEFORE the info was released, then why didn’t he plan his destination more carefully?

    • Canukistani

      Hmm, the comments don’t seem to be all that favorable either.

      • Ian_Llanganagain

        Favourable toward whom? I’m beginning to think Ann Cavoukian is our Obi-wan Kenobi (i.e. only hope!).

        • Canukistani

          Favorable to what’s been going on. I half expected the pro government drones to be there correcting people’s comments with whatever manure facts they’ve been given to distribute.

          • Ian_Llanganagain

            Yikes. I must go there and object in the strongest of terms!

  • Gin1234

    This place loads with lightening speed from a bookmark, at least for tonight. Not like our last place.

    • MagnaDave

      I still check HP every night. Takes forever to load, the page refreshes every single %$#@ing time I try to scroll, my browser freezes up, the Carousels of Confusion malfunction, and it’s just generally torturous.

      What’s my point? Heck if I know.

      • Gin1234

        You bring some entertaining stuff from there, but forgetting about it, and forgetting t0 check it is a pretty good feeling.

        • MagnaDave

          There are still a few people left there, like Blue, who make it worthwhile.

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    My Coming Out Story by Ivan Cruz.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC4jVS69bnU

    • BungeeCord

      That almost made me cry. Here’s why: When I realized I was gay I thought I could hide it forever… but I longed for companionship. So, I got a Golden Retriever puppy. She was my absolute best friend for over thirteen years. She never judged me, was always happy to see me, didn’t care who I dated or who I loved (unless they were jerks) and whatever I was doing she wanted to be right there with me. If I was sad or upset, she could tell and would come lay her head in my lap. On rare occasions when I had to leave her with family members while traveling, she would pace around whining and wait for hours on end by the door–sometimes for days, often refusing to eat. I just lost her to cancer last month and it hasn’t really sunk in yet. I wish more humans would have that kind of unconditional love and loyalty.

      • TapestryMood

        Ahh….damn…(((HUGS))) so sorry for your loss but joyful for all the wonderful, loving years with her.

      • gmb007

        A true, loving friend! :)

        What was her name, Bungee?

      • MagnaDave

        So sorry, Bungee.

      • Blue Eyed Bull

        Sorry to hear that you lost your dog Bungee. One of my dogs, Sedona, it will break my heart when she dies. She is going on 13 this coming October.

      • Gin1234

        I’m so sorry she’s gone, Bungee.

      • apogee2perogee

        Those puppy souls are just as precious as the rest of us. Sounds like a great run that you had together.

      • Canukistani

        So sorry to hear that. They really do become family and in some cases even closer than family.

      • Coco

        Oh, I’m so sorry. That has to be such a deep, fresh hurt. It’s been months longer for me and I know it takes so long to get past the worst of it. My toughts are with you.

      • Feistyslug

        We are always beautiful and perfect in their eyes.

        You are beautiful to me Bungee!! Hugs hugs and smooches!!

      • geezer 56

        So sorry to hear of your loss, Bungee. We lost our first golden retriever, Katie, nearly 2 years ago, and she was the light of our lives. I want to be more like Katie. She was an angel on earth in every way.

      • Sarah Sahasbeen

        I feel your pain too, Bungee. I searched for months for a new apt. because of my Dalmatian. Nobody wanted to rent to me because of him. I had him for 13 years too. We moved back here after seven years away, and he passed away a month after we got here. It still hurts not to have him with me.

  • Gin1234

    CNN is doing a program on the British Invasion right now. Enjoyable.

    • Canukistani

      Yup. I’m recording it for later.

      • Gin1234

        Knowing CNN, it will be replayed many more times.

        • Canukistani

          No doubt. I was just thinking, what we wouldn’t have given back then to be able to record that stuff on TV.

          • Gin1234

            At the same time, the innocence of the time was soooo refreshing. No internet, no fancy electronics. Just pure innocence. But yeah, that would have been great to have a first person recording of it too.

  • MagnaDave

    ET must be doing something wrong. The threads at HP never get too full. Not even close.

    • Canukistani

      Well, they’re full of somethin’.

      • Feistyslug

        Grass fed.

      • jbiot

        Hey my friend – thanks for the pssst.

        • Canukistani

          Uhh, I don’t usually like to do that, but I did want to wake you up. I was going to follow up but they closed the thread for comment.

          • jbiot

            I was nappin’ and didn’t realize that we had a new thread. This thread stuff is sort of like musical chairs.

          • Feistyslug

            Like the new paint smell?

          • Canukistani

            If you breathe too deep you might start to feel light-headed. Hey! Everybody breathe deep!

          • Feistyslug

            Richard has blue jello too!!

          • Canukistani

            Zowie! I’ll take a hit … uhh, I mean, I might like to taste some of that.

          • Canukistani

            It is, and there’s always a bit of a dance when we move on. I’ll be looking back for a couple of days, but since they’ve closed the last one I guess I’ll have to go back 2 or 3.

          • jbiot

            This constant thread changin’ makes archival research tricky for those us with an historical bent :)

            I thought though that the comment limit went to 22,000+ on the last thread. I took that as a benchmark. This time I think the number was around 14,000+ So a bit light comparatively. I wonder why they didn’t let it run a bit more.

          • Canukistani

            I’m not surprised they moved us. A number of people were finding it took awhile to load. But I am that they closed commenting. I haven’t seen that before.

            For research I prefer shorter threads because I have to open every last page to search properly, but closing the old ones down may make it harder to retrieve people who get lost .

          • Richard M

            Two universes back, Ben put a notice at the top of the thread. Then commenting was closed. That insured that the notice would stay at the top of the thread.

            I haven’t gotten around to looking at the ultimate post from the previous universe.

          • Canukistani

            The first Public Square is still open for comments, but the second isn’t. Since this is the first time they’ve closed a thread I’m not sure what’ll happen.

            I’ve gone back looking for strays a few times, and I’ve found a few, sometime several threads back, when someone hasn’t checked in in awhile. Hopefully Gidon’s notice is close enough to the top for people to see.

          • Richard M

            The original P2 was closed. There was a notice to that effect. Just like the notice currently on the second P2. It stayed closed for five or six days. Then it was re-opened.

          • Canukistani

            Ahh, that’s worth knowing. Thanks! I never noticed that the first one was closed at all. I’ll have to keep my eye on the second. I really hate to leave anyone behind.

          • BungeeCord

            If they realize it’s closed, my guess is that they’ll scroll far enough to find the notification. Or if they’re following any of us they can check our comments (that’s why I follow Gidon). We are, after all, a pretty smart bunch! :)

          • Richard M

            For we regulars, when the stairway down to Cheers bar is blocked by construction/rebuilding crews, we will go to the alley entrance, or climb in through a window.

            It’s only an issue for newcomers who learn that Cheers bar is on a certain street, but when they get there, they don’t see it.

          • Richard M

            I remember it because I was having a conversation with Hessen Balkan, which was interrupted by the closure.

            So far I think we’ve done a good job at keeping everyone updated. I wish there was a link at the home page, though.

          • jbiot

            I thought the thread before the last one was also closed for new comments. I seem to remember the notice at the top.

            I think someone here a while back had an explanation for why the loading problem does not have to exist. Something to so with the way that TET manages its servers. In principle, a thread could be infinite it was argued.

          • Canukistani

            No. I just checked as I was writing my last. I know they said they’d be closing it, but I could still post there tonight.

            An infinite thread?! Egad, I hope not. Not unless I can open it all with one click when I’m searching for something, or else download the whole thing in one bite.

            As it is now, to search a whole thread, I have to open each page all the way down to the bottom and then do my search. That gets unwieldy pretty quickly.

          • jbiot

            I stand corrected.

          • Canukistani

            Wherever possible I sit corrected, far more comfortable. I’m about to be out of here so I wish you a very good night!

          • gmb007

            Canuk, you might want to mention that to Ben and/or Gidon. Not being able to leave breadcrumbs could cause serious problems and us losing people. You’re such a sweetheart. :)

    • TapestryMood

      Did you follow the trail of Lucky Charms we left for you;-)

      • MagnaDave

        I figured you were all trying to lose me.

        • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

          Never Dave. If I can find it, -you- should have no problem?

          • MagnaDave

            Oh, you can find me but I’ll still have problems.

            None of which are your fault.

            As far as I know.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            No, I only assume responsibility for neuroses in -this- time zone.

        • TapestryMood

          Don’t tempt me,Sugar;-)

          • MagnaDave

            Tempting you is what I do best ;-) .

          • TapestryMood

            ♫ You do know how to whistle…just purse your lips together and blow;-) ♫

          • MagnaDave

            In the spirit of something-or-other, I feel I must let that straight line pass uncommented upon…

          • TapestryMood

            LMAO..bwak;-) Oops..maybe you aren’t thinking about the movie line….never mind…I do not want a comment about a female dog, Cupcake;-)

          • Canukistani

            Careful, Slim. You could get in over your head on this one.

          • TapestryMood

            LOL…I think you may be correct..after I saw his *careful* response..men!! ;-D

      • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

        I was just trying to reply to an old comment you made this morning — y’mean we closed out an entire thread musing about cleaning up after bowel movements??

        • TapestryMood

          LOL..men and their bathroom humor;-) Don’t worry..we can just “move” on;-)

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Should we say we’re sorry we started com-posting without you?

          • MagnaDave

            I wondered where you were last night. It appears you were reloading your pun.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Yeah, that had -nothing- to do with the *chamber* we were *loading* this morning.

          • TapestryMood

            Nope..no apologies necessary, glad to missed out on most of it…..and I won’t tell Dave about you and rg9srt talking about the Andie, ‘babysitter”…LOL..I howled!

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Yes, I’m sure they’re not looking.

      • gmb007

        AWWWWWW……Lucky Charms, how adorable! LOL :)

        • TapestryMood

          Some men and junk food….the way to their hearts..lol;-)

          • gmb007

            I know, huh? lol

      • BungeeCord

        Since this is ET, maybe we should start leaving Reese’s Pieces for people to find us!

        • TapestryMood

          Oh…..that is so clever and cute..xoxo;-)

        • MagnaDave

          LOL! Mars turned down their request to use M&Ms.

          Well, that worked out well…

      • BornOkayTheFirstTime

        Wait, those were there for a reason? *burp* Uh oh.

        • TapestryMood

          That’s ok…still have a box of Cap’NCrunch for the junk foodies;-)

          • BornOkayTheFirstTime

            Maybe we should start leaving the trails with Grape Nuts so nobody’s as tempted to snack.

          • TapestryMood

            Ha! You are probably correct…look like mouse droppings..
            But, I still like them..let them sit for a 1/2 hour in milk so I won’t chip any teeth;-)

    • AskandTell

      Hi Dave…nice to see you!

      • MagnaDave

        Same here, Ask! I usually just have to make do with reading your comments after you have said goodnight. This real-time thing is pretty cool.

    • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

      Oh, noes!

    • BungeeCord

      They can only hold so many nickels!

    • jbiot

      MD, you’re always an inspiration.
      ***
      The threads at HP now look so thin and light,
      maybe ’cause the best took flight in the night,
      since what HP calls news,
      only serves to confuse,
      fiction with fact leaving a pile of warm sh*te.
      ***
      :)

      • MagnaDave

        Bravo!

        And thank you.

      • Gin1234

        But remember, they only post 25 percent of what they get because the other 75 percent are vile. Multiply all the comment numbers by at least 4.

        • jbiot

          So claim sock puppets Timmy and Jimmy. How can I forget – it’s burned into my soul.

        • Classical_Gas

          I’d be betting on a number closer to 90% deleted.

          • jbiot

            I wonder if anyone actually knows what the real percentage is. ‘Cause when I look back on the good times :) it never seemed there was any logic to how the moderation worked. It seemed arbitrary at best and borderline psychotic at worst. So the real percentage could be almost anything.

          • MagnaDave

            I’ve seen many people put it at about 90% in the Tim McDonald thread. While probably somewhat of an exaggeration, that shows just how bad it has become.

          • jbiot

            If that’s true, then what RM says is true: it’s a comment on the nature of the site as much as on the nature of the commenter. Garbage in, garbage out.

          • BornOkayTheFirstTime

            Ostracize and eliminate the intelligent, engaged commenting foundation and it’s pretty clear that garbage is all that’s left. They don’t care about the number or quality of comments because comments don’t pay the bills.

          • MagnaDave

            I think that might have been a problem earlier on. But I find it hard to believe that Blue and ForrestGrump have been submitting comments that violate any rules and they have both commented on how hard it is to get comments through.

            Maybe HP has decided it just easier to reject comments than spend any time moderating them.

            Let’s face it. Figuring out how HP works and why it does what it does is probably far beyond our abilities (and that of rational people in general).

          • Canukistani

            They have commented on a number of occasions that they want to make moderation easier. Just moderating 90% of the comments out-of-hand sure does that.

          • jbiot

            I think Sharyn would say it’s like Plato’s allegory of the cave :)

          • Richard M

            Not even yahoo gets 90% vile posts. So that says more about the site, than it does about the commenters.

          • gmb007

            Agreed, Jbiot. The entire four years I was there I never, ever understood their moderation policy. Or if they even had one.

            At this point I think they just closed their eyes and starting blindly clicking DELETE DELETE DELETE.

    • Terrapin

      I am impressed and surprised at how HP has failed to rebound. 2 or 3 digits, rarely 4, and probably never 5. (comment count) I really thought they’d be right back up to 3 and 4 all over by now.

      • OneOtherPerson

        Their visitor count has leveled off at about 58 million a month. They don’t get paid for comments and really don’t want them

      • jbiot

        I see it all clearly now.

        I’m shocked that when I was there – to borrow a phase from Lena Dunham – I let them treat me like I was monkey meat. HP is a dismal failure at what they allegedly are there for – to deliver news and seasoned opinion. They are the cesspool of the news business, inspired by a cult fanatic and master of pop psycho babble who’s on some kind of messianic mission to deliver linked news bites and titillating content to as many as possible.

        They’re dead to me. Lucky for Arianna this isn’t Newark.

        • Terrapin

          It really is quite an icky scene, on many levels. Amazed i hung around there as long as i did. (disappointed in everyone who still does – pundits and proles alike)

          • jbiot

            Ditto.

          • Canukistani

            I think you may need to be free of it for a bit to gain that perspective. Most of us remember it when it was good and we so we clung to those memories long after we should have abandoned them and fled.

            I suspect that a lot of the older crowd still there are stuck in the old days.

      • MagnaDave

        Many people have commented that up to 90% of comments are now being rejected by the moderators there.

        • Terrapin

          So i gather… so their traffic is ok, they’ve just utterly sterilized the comments. “Wonderful.”

          • MagnaDave

            But I used to go there just to read the comments. I have a feeling that I’m not the only one.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    So far I see no one suffering from… (drum roll please!) agora… (wait for it!) phobia!!!

    • BornOkayTheFirstTime

      I want my fuzzy bunnies! What? Agora? Oh.

      • BungeeCord

        lol NOW I get the bunny reference from down below. I was wondering what I missed.

    • Richard M

      *groans*

      • Ian_Llanganagain

        Heh heh…

  • apogee2perogee

    I love the picture above, love ancient places.

    • Richard M

      Me too. The other one was too generic.

      • jbiot

        We need an expert like Sharyn to give us the real historical skinny on what the agora in ancient Greece was all about. I think it literally means a gathering place – since I just looked it up :) That’s all I know.

        But in the picture above, which is the agora? The little dwelling to the left? Or the stuff on higher ground?

        • apogee2perogee

          “The agora was the central marketplace in most Greek city-states. Typically the agora was located in the center of town. Governmental buildings, such as the council building and courts, surrounded the agora in Athens. There were also two temples on the edge of the agora in Athens.

          The agora was more than a marketplace. People came to the agora to discuss politics, meet with friends, as well as buy items from the market. Rich women were not seen in the agora; instead, their husbands or slaves would do the shopping for them. Only poor women, who had no help, would go to the market alone.”

        • geezer 56

          I think it’s the whole place–a marketplace.

          • apogee2perogee

            Yes, and the public buildings of govt and temple were around its margins.

        • Richard M

          Yup. Sharyn knows her So Crates from her Aristotle!

    • apogee2perogee

      To walk where other paths have ebbed and flowed through the centuries….or even millennia. To witness buildings that have conquered those time frames. To hear those echoes. These places are truly special.

      • geezer 56

        I caught that fascination for ancient places when I was a kid from many trips to Mesa Verde and other Anasazi ruins. Really fires the imagination.

        • MagnaDave

          Those are amazing places,in every sense of the word. I was lucky enough to visit Chaco Canyon.

  • Terrapin
    • Feistyslug

      Hey! That is interesting!!

      • Terrapin

        I keep going back to it. The original ALIVE video is one of my all time faves anyway, and the fusion with Yellow Sub is so unlikely, and so winning. Love the Beasties rap over those nice old guitar chords. They come from the same place, just different decades.

        Thriftshop XL makes a slew of great mashup vids.

        RIP MCA

  • OneOtherPerson

    Back in the 70′s in Cleveland, the Agora was the rock club to play. ZZ Top, Bruce Springsteen, The Police, Peter Frampton, Grand Funk Railroad, Jean-Luc Ponty, The Raspberries were all headliners in the small club.
    What a decade

    • apogee2perogee

      That’s an eclectic list….and great bands.

      • OneOtherPerson

        the James Gang made regular appearances too, being a local band.

        • apogee2perogee

          Would have loved to have seen the James Gang. This song doesn’t get a lot of respect and I’ve seen critics outright diss it. But I love it:

          ‘Ashes, the Rain and’ I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-s738XHV6Q

          • Feistyslug

            Never heard this. I like it.

          • OneOtherPerson

            The band that made Joe Walsh

          • Feistyslug

            Oh how about that? Before The Eagles then?

          • OneOtherPerson

            or Walsh made the James Gang. They never went anywhere after Joe left

          • apogee2perogee

            Yeh, Joe was the spark. I like his solo albums too.

          • Feistyslug

            Life’s been good . . .

          • apogee2perogee

            Yes it has. Music makes it that way, for me, honestly.

          • apogee2perogee

            Oh, duh. ‘Innertube – Theme From Boat Weirdos’

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM5SDG0OjkA

          • OneOtherPerson

            They played at one of my high school dances, probably 71 or 72.
            Small HS, about 350 students total.

          • apogee2perogee

            I crashed a HS dance ‘in town’ about that time and the band was Ozark Mountain Daredevils. A slow dance, ‘Spaceship Orion’

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iiAX6xBWxo

          • OneOtherPerson

            Elyria Catholic (25 miles west of Cleveland) had Yes play at one of their dances. But they were a pretty big school,

          • apogee2perogee

            OMD played a few dances around Springfield MO….

          • apogee2perogee

            Man, I can’t even imagine Yes playing a high school. Or Emerson Lake and Palmer. Such productions and trucks full of equipment in their hayday. What were they like then?

          • OneOtherPerson

            Elyria Catholic had a big auditorium that held Yes pretty well.
            The James Gang played under the basketball net on our gym floor. The sound almost blew the main doors out.

          • apogee2perogee
        • FaunaAndFlora

          A lot of great bands came out of Cleveland.

    • TapestryMood

      The *gathering place* ..for music…an erudite owner;-)

    • Feistyslug

      So the conclusion I draw from that is that we should have some music playing!!

      Bruuuuuuce!! – Thunder Road
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMB3M43AEpc

      • BungeeCord

        Bruce never brings me down. ;) I don’t know what ELO was so worried about.

  • OnyxE

    USDA Thug news:

    $200,000 and counting: See what it cost to protect one Michigan farm from wolves

    http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/01/post_23.html#comments

    The U.S. Forest Service, which manages the Grassland, has announced a plan to poison an estimated 16,000 prairie dogs and dramatically shrink the already limited area in which prairie dogs are tolerated.

    Thunder Basin officials intend to do it despite their own declared plans to improve prairie dog habitat. Their method, moreover, is likely to kill a lot of other wildlife in the affected area and, incidentally, squander taxpayer dollars for nothing.

    Just five years ago, the same Thunder Basin managers set aside 85,000 acres as one of the last refuges in the American West where prairie dogs could not be poisoned, gassed, shot for target practice, set on fire, or otherwise harassed into extinction. The thinking then was straightforward: Only two percent of the America’s prairie grasslands remain intact, and Thunder Basin represents one of the best remnants of that storied
    heritage. Meanwhile, black-tailed prairie dogs have lost an estimated 99 percent of their habitat.

    http://strangebehaviors.wordpress.com/2014/01/11/do-you-really-want-to-pay-for-this-senseless-poisoning/

    • OnyxE

      I wonder if that plan to spend 35 million to vaccinate elk and bison passed in the farm bill….anybody hear? Cut food stamps but still enough for stupid projects for wildlife services.

      “Any attempt to eradicate brucellosis willbe futile because there is no way to vaccinate or remove all of the infected animals and brucellosis will surely remain, especially if the feed grounds remain open to concentrate animals where they can easily infect each other.”

      http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2014/01/21/war-on-wildlife-moves-to-the-federal-farm-bill/

      • BungeeCord

        Vaccinating for brucellosis seems like a complete waste of time and money.
        It’s interesting though because I thought brucellosis was just an STD in dogs. Didn’t realize that it’s zoonotic as well.

        • Sarah Sahasbeen

          Brucellosis can be a nasty disease. My cousin has a dairy farm, and he had been sick for a while. One day he had to call the vet for one of the cows, and he told the vet how he had been feeling. The vet told him to have his MD to check him for brucellosis. Sure enough, that’s what he had.

          • BungeeCord

            I was just reading about it on Wikipedia. Dang.

          • Richard M

            So what happened? Is he cured?

        • OnyxE

          You would think if vaccinations prevented it, it would be better for farmers to vaccinate their cattle and leave the wildlife alone. It would be very difficult to round up all the elk and bison to vaccinate.

          • geezer 56

            Good point. Somebody up above is writing an answer to my stupid question!

          • OnyxE

            I did, but it wasn’t a stupid question and it’s a bit complicated since it involves domestic animals and wild including bighorn sheep. Basically they intended to erradicate it, which they won’t with this plan. .

      • geezer 56

        Maybe this is a stupid question, but even if it can’t be eradicated, it that a good enough reason not to vaccinate at least some of them?

        • OnyxE

          The purpose of spending 35 million is to erradicate it. And they believe elk got this back when from domestic cattle, so trying to eradicate this from wildlife without vaccinating cattle is not going to erradicate it.

          “The elk and bison contracted the disease from domestic livestock most likely when bison calves were being bottle-fed with infected milk while being captivity raised at the Buffalo Ranch in the Lamar Valley.

          The livestock industry has dreamed of eradicating brucellosis in the GYE for decades.

          “managing the risk of the disease by differentially focusing on livestock represents a responsible path forward.”

          and

          Eliminating brucellosis would require an expensive, full-scale effort that would represent a monumental paradigm shift in management of various wildlife species besides bison. Elk, of course, rank most notably among these species but other wildlife like Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep would also be implicated

          It seems they will spend 35 million of taxpayers money on a half assed plan that isn’t going to accomplish their objective.

          • geezer 56

            OK, thank you. That makes sense. Did you find out if it did end up as part of the farm bill?

          • OnyxE

            No I just googled but can’t see anything new on it.

          • geezer 56

            Cool!

          • OnyxE

            ahhhhhhh…. i edited my comment and took the web cam bit out…it was dark and I couldn’t see anything.

          • geezer 56

            Well, it is dark out now. ;)

    • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

      Wait a minute — there are people in Wyoming that DON’T have a problem with squandering taxpayer dollars? Don’t they realize they’re gonna get *called out* for it?

      Or is this yet another wrinkle in the fantastical, magical pageant known as IOKIYAR?

  • Cynthia W.

    Bruce Springsteen—-Badlands
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFAr2AbvvF8

    • allison1050

      yippee ya made it over here!

      • Cynthia W.

        Yup !!!! Good to see you.

        • allison1050

          signing off for the night talk to you tomorrow.

          • Canukistani

            Goodnight!

          • allison1050

            Goood Morning Canuk and everybody else!

  • Feistyslug

    Gonna check out, but I have this site on my GPS – just so you are all forewarned.

    Ah’ll be back!!

    Peace Love and Grooviness Friends!!

    • geezer 56

      Later, Feisty!

    • blacklace382

      Hi and Bye!

    • Canukistani

      ‘Nite!

    • apogee2perogee

      Peace, Love, Cool

    • Sarah Sahasbeen

      Don’t forget to put some flowers in your hair.

  • Sarah Sahasbeen

    Time to say good night all. The eyes are having trouble focusing again, so I know it’s time. See you all next time.

    • apogee2perogee

      Sleep well……

    • Canukistani

      ‘Nite, Sarah!

  • Cynthia W.

    I’m out too. Goodnight.

    • Canukistani

      And a good night to you!

    • apogee2perogee

      G’nite

  • Canukistani

    Pushin’ 500 comments already. They do fly by.

  • Canukistani

    Guess I’m outta here too. Good night to all and please leave things tidy for the morning people. Mornings are hard enough, already.

    • apogee2perogee

      I hope the late night crew has been turning the place over to you in good shape each morning, sir.

  • apogee2perogee

    One last ’70′s prog rocker. ELP and ‘From The Beginning’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBvGZP4srZA

  • MagnaDave

    I have to give credit to ET for coming up with such an appropriate name for its chatroom. If HP created one (like they ever would) I can only imagine that they would have named it “Village of the Damned.”

    • apogee2perogee

      …..or maybe ‘Trash Dump of the Damned’….for the right side of the page anyway

      • MagnaDave

        “10 Names You Won’t Believe We Considered for Our Chatroom!”

        • apogee2perogee

          Trickle Downs

        • apogee2perogee

          Nutty Bush City Limits

        • apogee2perogee

          Chatwheel County Line

        • apogee2perogee

          Troll Zunderbridge

          • TapestryMood

            Winner, winner..chicken dinner;-)

        • apogee2perogee

          The Argument Clinic

          ….with a tip of the hat to Monty, of course…

          • MagnaDave

            One of the best skits, ever.

        • apogee2perogee

          The Senate Cloak Room
          …daggers optional…

          • MagnaDave

            “The Place Where Interesting Comments Get Moderated to Death.”

    • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

      Oh. I just assumed that that name was chosen due to the fact that, if any trolls showed up; we were likely to give them *Agora-Phobia*?

      • MagnaDave

        Ba Dum Dum!

        (Groan)

        It’s been a while since we’ve been graced by their presence. National Review Online must be handing out free Kool-Aid again.

        • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

          Most would have expected them to build up a tolerance to it by now. Maybe the few subtle changes to the formula keep it effective? I’ve never suspected *keepin’ it fresh* ever came into play.

          • MagnaDave

            I haven’t been their in ages. I can only read the word “impeachment” about a million times before it loses its effectiveness.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            It’s a lot like Arthur C. Clarke’s “Nine Billion Names Of God” gambit — maybe they think if they say it enough times; something *really special* will happen?

            Which begs the question; what could be *specialer* than keeping a brain maintained like a pressure cooker — somehow it keeps all that nasty, unwelcome information from getting accidentally -sucked in-?

          • MagnaDave

            I should pay them a visit. I haven’t been called a troll in quite some time now.

  • MagnaDave

    Jay Leno has Miley Cyrus and Sarah McLaughlin on tonight. He must be trying to highlight the two extremes of talent.

    • TapestryMood

      What, not your beloved “Beyawnce”?

      • MagnaDave

        Why? Just why?

        • TapestryMood

          :-(

          Ummm….I just couldn’t resist??;-)

          • MagnaDave

            Please try harder next time ;-) .

            Hey, at least NJ didn’t just give up on creating a state motto like SOME states did.

          • TapestryMood

            Het? Huh??
            My Washington State Motto is Alki…or Al-ki.. a native American Chinook term meaning bye and bye..or into the future.
            What’choo talking about, Dave?

          • MagnaDave

            Yes, “Bye and bye” makes a lot of sense. Apparently, they were smoking pot long before it was legal. And I thought “The Beaver State” was problematic…

          • TapestryMood

            Puleeze, my Evergreen State tries to ignore our neighbor to the south..Oregon State Beavers…Oregon Ducks…Beaver State…lol;-)
            One of the favorite stories of my students had the line.”.. you will fly, bye and bye ..and bye and bye..”…they really got it…would comment on how they would learn and be able to do more and more as the year went on, too..lil’ 6 year old darlins’;-)

          • MagnaDave

            Oh, and I fixed the typo 1 second after I wrote it…

            SO THERE!

          • TapestryMood

            ٩͡[๏̯͡๏]۶ Tsk..tsk…Don’t get your big-boy Pampers in a wad..I hadn’t refreshed the page so didn’t see the edit….thought you were speaking in tongues;-)

          • MagnaDave

            “Refresh before refudiating” should be standard practice around here.

          • TapestryMood

            BINGO…I agree…I jumped the “reply”;-) But, we had fun..as usual.

          • MagnaDave

            I know. I knew I was doomed as soon as I saw my mistake.

          • Richard M

            I thought the motto was [Joisey! Getthefuggoudaheah]

          • MagnaDave

            I wish I could remember the suggestions that they received when they asked for people to come up with a new tourism slogan. Needless to say, not all were to their liking.

          • Richard M

            I remember reading some of those! They were screamers!

          • MagnaDave

            I just tried to find some but all I keep getting are official NJ websites.

    • OnyxE

      He must have Vancouver on the brain…Sarah is from here and Miley is starting her tour of fools here.

      • MagnaDave

        Did you buy your tickets yet?

        I’m so sorry I said that. Really, I am.

  • OnyxE

    One of the top posts on HPs facebook page is:

    “Her lack of ass and skill made me feel so uncomfortable. The system should make itself accessible to a broader range of booty shapes.” …..”It happened to me, there are no white people in my twerk-out class and suddenly I’m feeling uncomfortable’.

    Rolls eyeballs. And in other mature news, Lindsay Lohan lost half her fur coat in a night club. Half a fur coat.

    • MagnaDave

      I saw that article on their main page. Even after reading the synopsis, I still couldn’t believe my eyes.

      • OnyxE

        Back in the day stories like that would have appeared in a cheap tabloid your parents wouldn’t even let you buy. ‘oh, you’re not going to spend your money on that junk’.

        • MagnaDave

          It wasn’t even in the right-hand column. It was in the left-hand one, which I THOUGHT was reserved for serious bloggers.

          • OnyxE

            No, the left isn’t reserved for serious bloggers…that’s where all the stay at home mommy bloggers appear, and that crazy guy who raises animals to slaughter …he once described a beautiful little lamb he had, the most beautiful ever and he ‘loved’ her, called her ‘little lovey’….. and he slaughtered Little Lovey. Nutso wackos on both sides of that page.

          • MagnaDave

            When I used to read the articles there I just avoided both sides. Now I check to see how far they’ve fallen.

            I had a friend who raised a pig for slaughter. That pig had one of the most amazing personalities I’ve ever seen, including a sense of humor. I think he sold him but I know his fate was the same. I just couldn’t bring myself to do something like that.

          • OnyxE

            Pigs are smart, the feral pigs are so smart when they suspect a trap they send in the lowest on the totem pole to check it out.

            “If you think feral pigs sound more like rednecks than Rhodes
            scholars and that it shouldn’t take a million bucks to outsmart them, apparently you have never tried to trap one.

            I consulted Ken Gioeli, a wild pig expert at the University
            of Florida, about the wily ways of feral pigs. I was especially
            interested in their intelligence quotient, after state Land Commissioner Ray Powell, a veterinarian, recently told The Associated Press that wild pigs “are really smart.”

            Providing campaign mailer fodder for political opponents for
            years to come, Powell said, “They’re much brighter than I am.” He added that if the pigs “had the dexterity,” they’d be driving cars.

            They’re also quick learners. Gioeli said a study of land managers in Florida found that their efforts to reduce the ranks of bad hogs were only marginally effective in half the cases and completely
            ineffective in another 25 percent.

            When hunters went after the pigs during the day, the pigs started napping during the daylight and carousing at night. When hunters tried baiting them with corn and traps, they quickly learned to avoid the temptation.

            “The hogs wise up to that pretty fast,” Gioeli said. “Somehow, it’s communicated to the population, this is a trap.”

            http://www.abqjournal.com/182950/abqnewsseeker/trying-to-outsmart-a-feral-pig.html

          • MagnaDave

            I believe it.

            One day, I was tasked with cleaning out the pig pen. It had two sections, separated by a gate. The idea was to clean one side, move him to the other and then clean the first one. He would have none of it. No matter which side I tried to clean, he would choose that one. He was too big for me to move so willpower wasn’t an option. I finally had the brilliant plan to spray him with the hose. I will never forget what he did. He stood up on his hind legs and literally danced. He even had a twinkle in his eye. It was one of the most amazing (and heartwarming) things that I’ve ever seen.

            One time, my friend had a female who gave birth to piglets. At first, you could get nowhere near them. She was VERY protective. After a few months (maybe when their teeth developed?) that changed dramatically.

            One day, we heard a huge commotion from the pen. We ran over as it sounded like there would be mass casualties involved. There was no sign of what had happened. Just a pissed-off mama pig sitting in the middle of the pen surrounded by piglets who were obviously afraid to move a muscle, all looking very sorry for whatever it was that they had done.

            He also had a bull. He would him out of his pen to roam the yard every day. We needed to get him back in his pen but there was a cow next door who had obviously captured his attention and he wouldn’t budge. So I suggested that we poor feed in his trough. He came over and we closed the gate. I said “I bet he’ll be pissed when he figures out we tricked him.” At that very moment, he looked at us both, then the cow, then the closed gate, and went ballistic. He rammed every part of that pen with a force that surprised us both.

            That anyone can think that animals aren’t sentient, have emotions, and figure things out on their own is beyond me.

          • apogee2perogee

            Yup. Farm boys know better.

          • MagnaDave

            My friend did amazing things on his tiny plot of land. I learned a lot from him.

            That was in NM. For a time, we were being “invaded” by Californians who had sold their homes in CA and were moving in droves to NM. Some New Mexicans were none-too-happy about that. Suddenly, signs began appearing that said Go home Californicators!” My friend asked me “Who would put up signs like that?” as we walked past the stencil he had made.

          • apogee2perogee

            We had a few acres. Big garden, strawberry and blackberry cultivation at the edges of that garden. Fruit trees. Feeder calves and pigs purchased every spring and sent to the meat plant every fall. Horses, dogs, cats, and bunnies. It was a bunch o’ fun and a bunch o’ work.

          • MagnaDave

            My friend was a jack-of-all trades. The main business was restoring classic Chevrolets and the farm and garden was kind of a side hobby. It was great fun being part of all of it.

            He ended up building a “tire” house which I helped him with, too. Almost all the materials were free. He ended up with a large adobe house with walls almost 2 feet thick. The entire front was glass so he could have both passive heating and an indoor garden. The most expensive thing was connecting the power because a pole had to be moved a few feet. Having him as a friend and an employer was a truly rewarding experience.

          • apogee2perogee

            I’d like to build a passive solar building, partially earth sheltered. Time will tell.

          • Richard M

            So which pole did you move? North or South?

          • MagnaDave

            They are due to swap places on their own from what I’ve heard.

          • rg9rts

            Old news its happened many times

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            You’re braver than even * I * had previously thought, Dave — and that’s coming from somebody awarded the *Chapter Star Greenhand* award by my FFA club in high school.

            I left the mucking-about with hogs to others more experienced and properly motivated.

          • MagnaDave

            He was a very gentle soul. That’s what made his demise all the more sad.

          • Toastman

            The local FFA is using me as their spring project this year. I’m looking forward to working with them.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Now somebody needs to come up with a solid plan to help all those (present and future) motivated young ‘uns to start up their own agribusiness — whatever that may be. I’m sick and tired of stores filled with factory-farmed crap.

          • Toastman

            That’s what I’m hoping they get from working with me. Fresh and local foods.

          • apogee2perogee

            Farmer’s markets are a drop in the bucket, but there could be a lot more of them if kids would see the opportunity in that.

          • rg9rts

            You should swap mucking lies with Jude our resident mucker in these here parts

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            It’s no wonder pigs and pythons encounter each other — pigs are the best way to rid the neighborhood of “normal-sized” snakes.

            They have no fear of rattlers or copperheads, regardless — they know they’re gonna win. When a feral pig meets a python, it probably thinks it hit the jackpot.

            Nevertheless; I can guarantee you’re gonna find a whole lot more snakes in pigs than pigs in snakes.

          • Richard M

            So you think pigs could be the cure for the Everglades’ python infestation?

          • Toastman

            Hello Richard. Hope you’re well this evening.

          • Richard M

            Hi, Toast. I’m right as rain. Just scored two boxes of White Zinfandel at Wal Mart and I’m happier than a pig in mud.

            Pigs scare me a bit. You have to get in the water for the anaconda to get you (most often).

            How are you this fine evening?

          • Toastman

            Not too bad, thanks, just a bit burnt out. Your comment makes me want to go rummage for a nice Bass Ale.

          • Richard M

            I’ve always preferred Guiness. Bass is a bit too sweet for my taste.

          • Toastman

            I’ve always gravitated towards a nice balance between hops and malt.

          • Richard M

            Balance is good. Sometimes a hard turn to left or right can shake off the cobwebs, though. Theoden, King of Rohan, found it so.

          • Toastman

            Yep, he had a taste for the good life. He was actually a nice guy in person. I enjoyed his company.

          • Richard M

            Fascinating! So you’re in the Chicago area? I frequented it (inevitably so) as a twenty year long haul trucker. ….Never lived there, though. We did have a transfer yard in South Holland.

          • Toastman

            Not any more. I was for a number of years though. I had enough of the “suit and commute” deal and moved to a smaller college town.

          • Richard M

            Awesome! Bloomington, Champaign, Oxford, or other?

          • Toastman

            I headed west. Never lived in that area.

          • Richard M

            Ah!! Boulder, then. My big sis lives there.

          • Toastman

            Whenever I see you I think of the former mayor of Chicago, Richard M. Daley.

          • Richard M

            Hmmmm. Because I quoted him, not long ago? Or some other reason?

          • Toastman

            Your screen name, Richard M. One of my favs from him was when he said he didn’t care if the Feds “scrutened” him. He coudn’t come up with scrutinize.

          • Richard M

            LOL!….Mine was ” The policeman is not there to create disorder. The policeman is there to preserve disorder”!..

            ..Wait! that was Richard J Daley…….Richard M Daley is the junior edition!…..So he is an imbiber of mass quantities, like dad?

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            I’d hate to think what they’d have to do to guarantee it. Maybe they could release the small pigs after they’d implanted them with something that would poison the snake that might eat them?

            Big pythons make little pythons, which the pigs could eat, but people don’t release small pythons into the wild — they wait until they’re too huge to keep in the same house with rugrats, I guess?

          • Toastman

            I know wild pigs are nasty. I could see them messing up some snakes.

    • Blue Eyed Bull

      I am kind of confused about HP’s facebook. Why do they censor comments on HP, but not on their facebook?

      • MagnaDave

        Because they’re hypocrites? Just a guess…

        • Ian_Llanganagain

          Because they’re incompetent, under(paid)-staffed and in a constant flopsweatpanic over their own site, so do not monitor their FB page as one might expect.

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    I hate moving, but I approve of this move. I haven’t had the problems that others have experienced, but anything to make is easier and more friendly for the people is OK in my book.

    • apogee2perogee

      Evenin’ Blue….

      • Blue Eyed Bull

        Hi Apogee. Are you posting at different times than me? I seem to have been missing you the last few days.

        • apogee2perogee

          I’ve had some days when I wasn’t here. But when I post, it has been in the evening, and not real late.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            I’ve been kind of MIA the last few days.

          • apogee2perogee

            Folks were asking after you earlier…

          • apogee2perogee

            ….and Sharyn too….

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            Sharyn says she is still being kicked off this site. I don’t know what the problem is. I saw her earlier today and it was briefly.

          • apogee2perogee

            I peaked in when I was home for lunch, but wasn’t here long…

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            I work from hope so I peak in throughout the day.

          • apogee2perogee

            Do you like working from home? I’m thinkin’ about doing so part time in retirement.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            I’m a REALTOR so it really is not cost effective to go to the office. Obviously I have to meet my clients at homes. I think you would really like working from home as long as you have the discipline.

          • apogee2perogee

            I have an office space and I think that would help me stay focused. Do you have any tips about buttressing that discipline?

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            I don’t have specific hours. I get up in the morning, have breakfast, exercise and then contact clients. I set up my day depending what is going on. I try to make sure I don’t let pleasure, visiting ET, get in my way.

          • apogee2perogee

            I keep a day planner marked up with start and stop times for tasks, in part for billing, but also to keep myself accountable. I’ve decided I probably need to do something like that at home.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            My job allows me to mix business and pleasure. I make sure to do business first. Throughout the day I will receive phone calls or emails for clients, but at that time they are priority to whatever I am doing.

    • OnyxE

      This is Barack Obama and I approve this message.

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    Sister Sledge – We Are Family
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpYgpF1bqQ

  • Fattonecat

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPB_xQzmqSQ The late great Norton Buffalo

    • FaunaAndFlora

      Sweet!

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    I hate to bring up that retched place, but the main about pizza delivery people has been up for 8+ hours, not moderated, and only has 809 comments. Our new home has been up for only 2 or 3 hours and already has 558 comments.

    • Blue Eyed Bull

      OK, I will reply to myself.

      One Is The Loneliest Number – Three Dog Night
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ab8BOu4LE

    • BornOkayTheFirstTime

      That other site and pizza. Two things I’m glad to have less of in my life. =/

      • Blue Eyed Bull

        I love pizza, but rarely order it.

        • BornOkayTheFirstTime

          When you work for a place that has “pizza” in the name, and deal with it day in and day out for 14+ years, it starts to wear thin.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            Kind of like my viewing homes with clients. I’ve seen them all and just can’t get excited about a home.

          • BornOkayTheFirstTime

            Humans are funny animals that do the same things over and over again that they eventually resent. Is there even any other animal that does that?

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            I don’t resent it. I just look at homes a long different from my clients.

          • BornOkayTheFirstTime

            I didn’t mean to imply that you do, rather that people do seem to have the capacity for it (and at times I did in my situation I did). It seems to be a uniquely human behavior.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            It didn’t think you were Born.

    • Toastman

      Dang you guys. You made me go to that place and look to see what was going on. Now I count as a click :-(

      • BornOkayTheFirstTime

        If you only went to one page, it also counts as a bounce.

      • Blue Eyed Bull

        You didn’t have to look. I gave you all the info you needed.

        • Toastman

          I’m a tad bit slow tonight. Busy day.

      • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

        Oh, -you’re- the one suggested they should re-brand themselves “Huffington Toast”?

        • Toastman

          I did, so the banished me from the hole.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Nicely done! Actually, I’d given up the possibility they’d catch onto even an -obvious- slam like that one.

            Maybe JuLiA is smarter than her human *handlers*?

        • MagnaDave

          Huffington Ghost?

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Since they’ve lost all the momentum they once had; it’s much too late to consider using *Huffington Coast*?

          • MagnaDave

            “HuffingThe Most?”

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Yes, but is their *Huffing Done Boast*?

          • MagnaDave

            Puffington Host?

            OK, I got nothin’…

    • MagnaDave

      Thanks, Blue. Now I understand that liberals are lousy tippers thanks to Mr. Zero Fans. That was very enlightening.

      • Blue Eyed Bull

        Lol. He is an idiot.

        • MagnaDave

          He wrote several more treatises on the pizza business.

          Fun fact:

          President Obama is responsible for both the high cost of pizza and the high cost of gasoline.

          My “Mr. Zero Fans” remark was a bit unfair. He only has 6 comments, all of them pizza-related.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            I should have checked his previous comments. Obviously he is obsessed with pizza.

          • MagnaDave

            I’m sure that after reading his comments, he can expect even smaller tips from “liberals.”

            With his innate ability to determine political affiliation at a glance, I think he is wasting his talents delivering pizzas.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            He should be making them. ;)

          • apogee2perogee

            He wouldn’t be at the public face of my business….

          • MagnaDave

            Did you see this comment on the football thread from the disastrously named “The Great Intellectual?”

            “My kid will play football just like I play football if he wishes. I am
            not going to coddle my child and not let him enjoy life. I lacerated my
            kidney playing high school football and spent 4 days in the hospital
            that sometimes is the cost of playing the game and you shouldn’t fear
            doing things because of risk of injury.

            Let people coddle their boys if they wish but I will not coddle mine I am going to raise a man not a person who is confused.”

            It was a few comments below yours. I have the distinct feeling that his son will be VERY confused, just like his father.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            I didn’t see that one. I’ll have to check it out.

          • MagnaDave

            His thinly veiled implication really pissed me off.

          • Toastman

            A macho “suck it up” dude I see.

          • BornOkayTheFirstTime

            Stay classy, rednecks!

          • Ian_Llanganagain

            Only because Republicans can’t cook.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            That’s the least of what they can’t do.

          • Ian_Llanganagain

            Far as I can tell they’re only good for stealing/wasting oxygen.

          • MagnaDave

            Once they mastered procreation, they figured that’s all they’d need.

          • BornOkayTheFirstTime

            Sigh. I’m such a glutton for punishment. I caved and went to go look. I got bored of reading the article about halfway through (it’s more or less accurate about how delivery fees get allotted), then started reading the comments. Mostly clueless uninteresting blathering. I declined to jump on any carousels. I gave up.

          • MagnaDave

            That seems to be the experience that HP is hoping for. They’ve worked so hard to make it the only one possible.

          • Toastman

            I gave up there. It’s almost as bad as the National Review. I went there to stir things up and it was like comment to corpses.

          • MagnaDave

            Did you happen to see the word “impeachment” in any comments? And by “any,” I mean “every.”

            How many times were you called a troll? Every time?

            I spent some time there, too. Quite the mindset they have going on there.

          • Toastman

            Those people are astounding with their thought, or lack of thought, process. Half the time I looked at comments and couldn’t believe what I was reading. When I tried I could rarely evoke a comment. I think those pseudo intellectual bung holes only read their own comments.

          • MagnaDave

            You didn’t get “swarmed?” there is a group there that goes after anyone who dares disagree. Like anywhere else, there are some good people who want to have a discussion but that seemed quite rare on that site.

          • Toastman

            I guess I went to the wrong articles. Now I will have to give it a try again. Bwaaa, haaa, haaa.

          • MagnaDave

            A friend of mine talked me into going there. We had fun for a while but then it became just more of the same. I kind of want to go to the top of one of the threads and write…

            “Welcome to The National Review Online! Free Kool-Aid for everyone!”

  • MagnaDave

    I know that all of you, like me, are wondering why liberals hate football. Well, thanks to one of the many commenting geniuses at The Huffington Post, the explanation is now clear:

    “Improved helmets and equipments have helped concussions drop, but
    liberals are mad because the Super Bowl dwarfs any of their political
    events (the Oscars, the Grammys) by such a wide margin now, they will
    never catch the big game in the ratings.” Ricky T.

    We can make fun of HP all day long, but we have to give the moderators credit for allowing only such in-depth comments as that one to get posted.

    • apogee2perogee

      Yup, a real expert in undersight….

      • MagnaDave

        In my old days, before I was persona non grata, I would have helpfully pointed out that none of those things has anything to do with each other.

        I’m sure he is one of those “Fox News is the most credible because it has the highest ratings” kind of “thinker.”

        • apogee2perogee

          Familiar with that whole approach where popularity is substituting for facts and reasoning. I don’t know how it is they never figure it out.

        • geezer 56

          It’s so perfectly obvious to him, he can’t figure out why anyone would think any differently.

    • Toastman

      That’s deep :-l

    • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

      Poor, sad *Ricky T* (whoever -that- is) I’m gonna watch the game with teevee muted and the local-based radio broadcast turned UP … in other words; I’m not participating in his inexplicably-exalted “free-market” fantasies.

    • geezer 56

      Poor guy doesn’t even realize he’s a blithering idiot.

      • BornOkayTheFirstTime

        Blithering idiots usually don’t. They have incredible blind spots for their own stupidity.

      • MagnaDave

        But, you have to admit, it is amazing and amusing how these people can literally turn anything into a “liberal” thing. I guess that i was impressed that he went off on so many unrelated tangents at once. Liberals, Grammys, Oscars, just about everything that has nothing to do with football. If nothing else, the ability to multi-task in so many different areas of irrelevance was pretty awesome.

        • geezer 56

          And here I am, having the nerve to consider myself a liberal, but I obviously can’t be because I don’t give a s**t about the Grammys or the Oscars, either. I’ve been living a lie!!!

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            What?! “Who are you wearing?” means NOTHING? What a sad life you’ve forced yourself to lead!

          • geezer 56

            I like to think I’m unpretentious, even if I’m pretentious about it.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Have you been rummaging around inside my head again? No, I meant you sound like -me- sometimes. Maybe we should collaborate and sell seats in upcoming seminars about it?

          • geezer 56

            Oh -dear- God, not that! Eeek! I’m -becoming- Ranchero?!? ;)

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Sounds pretty horrific, huh? Must be the *wages* of the “sin” of calling oneself “geezer” without actually -being- one?

          • geezer 56

            I figure 57′s close enough. I sure as heck feel like a geezer most days.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Oh. Well, I guess we’re only three years apart — looks like there’s not much I can do to help you be -less- rancherolike after all.

            Definitely NOT any more likely than there’s anything -you- can do to help me be less *geezerlike*.

            I suspect this has probably been going on for aeons, so — it’s not my fault, I swear.

          • Toastman

            Count me in as well Geezer. I couldn’t give a rip about that crud.

          • MagnaDave

            Me, either. Oops, there goes THAT theory!

            That’s the other funny thing. He accuse “liberals” of caring about ratings when it’s obviously HIM that does. What a buffoon!

            (Look, HP! I used the word “buffoon!” Neener, neener, neener!)

          • rg9rts

            ditto will sleep through the SB again

  • apogee2perogee

    Phew! Gotta crash….waaaay past my bedtime….

    • Blue Eyed Bull

      Nite Apogee.

    • Toastman

      Sleep well.

    • MagnaDave

      Goodnight! Sleep well!

  • geezer 56

    OK, I’m not a big car person, but I saw this in a commercial just now and it made my jaw drop. Ralph Lauren apparently paid $40 million for this 1938 Bugatti: http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18pswginv8w7fjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg

    • MagnaDave

      Bugattis always go for big money. Still, $40 million? Wow.

      • geezer 56

        Yes, well, RL has more money than sense, but I’d still love a ride in that car.

        • MagnaDave

          With your storied past, I’m surprised you haven’t already ;-) .

          • geezer 56

            Somehow in my life I’ve managed to avoid practically all rich people. No regrets on that score.

          • Toastman

            I have run into my share. I was in waste management in Chicago and it was run by the by a select group. One person I knew went to a Christmas party at the Walgreen family “home”. The had a dozen or so live trumpeters lining their entry way. Over the top.

          • rg9rts

            And all their last names ended in vowels

          • Toastman

            There were those but there was another group that was even bigger. Look up the name of the founder of Waste Management.

          • geezer 56

            Would that be waste management or “waste management, nod nod, wink wink”?

            And trumpeters as in swans or musicians?

          • Toastman

            Musicians, all in little matching uniforms. I’ll take the fifth on the first question ;-)

          • geezer 56

            The swans may have been in better taste, methinks.

          • MagnaDave

            Perhaps the swans had more dignity?

          • geezer 56

            Gotta feel sorry for the musicians. Demeaning.

          • MagnaDave

            My boss in NJ ticked off waste management over some minor issue once. After many weeks of no garbage pick-up, he relented. My brother said he saw a car parked in front of a dumpster in a no-parking zone. The truck driver speared it with the forks and placed it off to the side, out of the way.

          • Toastman

            Those accidents happen.

          • MagnaDave

            We had a bit of a chuckle that our boss thought he would win a pissing match with waste management.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            I’ve encountered a few in my time, here and there. Contrary to popular belief; they don’t treat the general public all that much worse than their poorer relations.

          • MagnaDave

            I worked for one. He was quite a character. Whistled Christmas tunes year-round. His car was such a junker that he would get me to take it to NJ inspection. They checked lights, brakes, glass, just about everything. The inspectors actually yelled at me for having the nerve to take such a piece of crap into an inspection station, lol.

            He was a great guy, though.

          • geezer 56

            Sounds like one of the good ones. What did he do for a living?

          • MagnaDave

            I’m not sure if this is all he did but he owned at least one furniture store and the restaurant that i worked at. I have no idea how he became wealthy initially but he struck me as the kind of guy who worked his way up. He was such a character.

      • rg9rts

        $7.5 million for cobra Daytona coupe

        • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

          Yeah, but you can get a Laguna Seca (Mustang) coupe with a ridiculous power curve for a lot less.

          Still too much safety, not enough *fun*?

          • rg9rts

            But will it do 200+ for 24 hrs

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            I dunno — I never tried it. Don’t see why not. I’d just keep it around to watch people’s eyes bug out every now and again.

            I’ve aged beyond the point of thrashing a car for cash or wanting to wear a catheter while doing it.

          • rg9rts

            Remember there were only four made and that was for the 63 race season. only had the 289 now big brother 427 was another story as was cousin GT 40

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            It was a -coupe-? I’ve never seen a picture of anything but the roadster from those early ones.

          • MagnaDave

            The GT-40 had just one minor problem. It was so aerodynamic that it would literally begin to fly past a certain speed.

          • rg9rts

            It beat Ferrari and had a 123 finish. those were minor aero dynamics that were fixed with the mini upturned tail the 904 had the same issue

          • MagnaDave

            If you notice, I referred to it as a minor problem ;-) .

            Perhaps the most beautiful (excluding the original Batmobile) car ever made. I’m not trying to put it down in any way.

          • geezer 56

            That would be a drawback.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            I’d settle for a Sunbeam Tiger — not a red one like Maxwell Smart, but a black one with a red leather interior. It’s the only car I’d ever want in black, except maybe a ’56 T-Bird.

          • rg9rts

            Must have it with the special tool to reach the rear four plugs

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Either that, or replace the engine with a blown flathead?

          • rg9rts

            How about a Cad Allard?

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            I’m not sure what that is; was it a kit car?

          • MagnaDave

            Custom-built hot rods. If I remember right, a small British car with a gigantic Cadillac engine. A custom shop turned them out, I think.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            I wasn’t sure — did they mount the engine on a composite wooden frame, like the Morgans? (and the biplanes) I can’t believe they still build the latter, not sure about the former. Those wacky Brits.

            Where -is- Malta123, by the way? Is he taking the night off?

          • MagnaDave

            I think I’ve only seen Malta here this late one time before. He popped in for a second and was gone. Isn’t he usually here during “normal” business hours?

          • rg9rts

            Back in the 50′s it was a Allard(Brit car) with a Cadillac jammed into it. mostly for infant sports car racing in post WW2 america. Like the cobra was a Ford jammed into an AC Bristol

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Okay, that does sound familiar, now that you mention it. Kinda reminds me of those biplanes they used in “The Stunt Man” — every one equipped with a 351 Cleveland. True story, look it up. People do wacky stuff all the time.

          • MagnaDave

            I got to drive a Jensen Interceptor once. Kind of an odd looking car but a pretty awesome one.

          • MagnaDave

            Those were nice. My dad had a British Racing Green MGB-GT (fastback). There’s something special about British cars. I knew a girl with a Triumph TR-4. I liked the MGs better but that was a nice car.

          • rg9rts

            The sprite was a real chick magnet

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            My cousin took one apart in his backyard once; a white one — 1966? I forget. It was supposed to be his first car, but he never reassembled it.

          • rg9rts

            It became a basket case

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            He never owned it new — I suspect it was already that bad when he bought it.

          • Toastman

            Those GT 40′s were great. Did you know the story behind the bump in the roof?

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Dan Gurney was too doggone tall?

          • Toastman

            Yep. +1

          • rg9rts

            Remember the Goodyear ad with the GT 40 in brake mode and the discs glowing almost white?

        • MagnaDave

          Thew only car I would pay millions for is the original Batmobile and somebody already beat me to it. 4.3 million if I remember right.

    • rg9rts

      Women’s purses prices have the same effect on me

      • geezer 56

        I paid $10 for mine. It still manages to contain things.

        • rg9rts

          Like the $1500 Gucci and shoes?????

          • geezer 56

            And my cheapo shoes manage to contain my feet and still remain comfortable. My stiletto heels days are over.

        • MagnaDave

          It can’t contain your awesomeness.

          • rg9rts

            Down boy and don’t step on your tongue

          • MagnaDave

            I calls ‘em like I sees ‘em.

          • geezer 56

            MD, you take my breath away. :)

  • Blue Eyed Bull

    The title of this new page reminds me of the aurora lights.

    http://travel.msn.co.nz/europe/norway/8790318/in-awe-of-norways-aurora-borealis

    • Ian_Llanganagain

      Speaking of which, take a gander if you like auroras:
      http://www.flickr.com/photos/24662369@N07/11174976726/in/photolist-i2uFfw

      • Blue Eyed Bull

        Wow. Absolutely beautiful.

        • Ian_Llanganagain

          So glad you enjoyed ;-) I didn’t know auroras could even be available in *fuschia* – and on Saturn no less! At its south pole even! Who knew?!

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            The aurora borealis just blows my mind with its beauty.

          • Ian_Llanganagain

            When I lived in Manitoba that whole Northern Lights was so ho-hum – all night every night, all winter long. Now I never see it at all.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            Amazing what we take for granted.

          • Toastman

            I lived in the Kettle Moraine area of Wisconsin for 12 years and didn’t take in as much as I should have. I really miss it now.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            I take the Grand Canyon for granted.

          • rg9rts

            If it was the 50′s you don’t want to know why they were there

          • geezer 56

            Just once in my life I’d love to see that.

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            No kidding.

          • rg9rts

            Back in the 50′s they were common as far south as New York city. Turns out that it was the result of atmospheric testing

          • Toastman

            They are amazing spectacles. Our local news person can’t pronounce aurora borealis. It’s funny. The last really good one had people calling the news and police. They didn’t know what is was?????

          • Blue Eyed Bull

            Did they think it was aliens invading?

          • Toastman

            I couldn’t understand the fuss.

    • rg9rts

      Market place……NYT crossword

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Well I am outta here for the night folks (after having been flitting about, in and out) and wishing you all a great night. At the current rate, this thread will exceed 10K comments by Tuesday evening at latest. Am still VERY annoyed at that school district in Utah (what numbnutz they are!) but I have now read that other school districts have taken similar measures, so am less shocked.

    Leaving you with a little Jesse Cook to enjoy (after the annoying clapping @ start up!):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtLYp83pqfo

    • Blue Eyed Bull

      Nite Ian or Lan. ;)

      • Ian_Llanganagain

        HA! ‘Nite BEBs. Catch ya on the flipside! ;-)

        • Toastman

          Nite Ian.

    • geezer 56

      Night, Ian!

  • Unlisted2u

    Ohai..
    Wow, leave for a few hours and come home to a.. welll, new home.. :)

    • geezer 56

      New digs! A new name and photo, even!

      • Unlisted2u

        Hey geeze.. Whazzup..?
        I mean, besides this.. :)
        I’m actually typing b4 reading down through the page..

        • geezer 56

          Made the mistake of starting a “Car Talk” thread just below. Haven’t been here long myself, actually.

          • Unlisted2u

            ‘k..
            Just started reading downward..
            Is it known yet if this permanent..?? — Or merely a name change as the Epoch Times Good Guys & Gals continue running things through beta..?

          • geezer 56

            I didn’t see anyone asking about that when it started, but I’ve been gone a few hours. I just assumed they’ll keep on doing thr same…?

          • Unlisted2u

            I guess we’ll find out, huh..
            Read down through the old page b4 coming over here.. Looks like this happened about an hour or so after I needed to jet out for the evening..

          • MagnaDave

            What would you like to talk about, Your Highness?

            Doilies? Butterflies? Rainbows?

            Smacking Dave upside the head?

          • Unlisted2u

            Heyyy — Who you calling High..
            O, wate — nevermind.. ;)

          • geezer 56

            Hey, boys will be boys. My husband reflexively barks out the names of old cars when we watch movies, so I’m used to it. ;)

          • MagnaDave

            My fear is that I’ll be run over by a car made in the last 20 years sns the police will ask me what kind it was.. I think it was a Nissan. Could have been a Toyota. Maybe a Ford? A Malibu? A Mercedes?

            Heck, I don’t know, THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME!

          • geezer 56

            Maybe you’ll get lucky & it’ll be a Honda Element.

          • MagnaDave

            You always look on the bright side, geezer.

          • geezer 56

            Good topic for a discussion: Which car would you most like to run over you?

          • Unlisted2u

            Sounds like a topic with strong underpinnings..

          • MagnaDave

            The one with Ambulance printed on the front?

            It’s a time-saver.

          • geezer 56

            Well, that’s MUCH better than what I was thinking–a Smart Car or maybe a circa-1970 Honda Civic.

          • MagnaDave

            My friend had one of those Honda Civics. It had a vestigial brake pedal on the passenger side for some reason. We, the passengers, thought that made for great fun. He didn’t think so, though.

          • geezer 56

            What on earth are you talking about? A vestigial brake pedal???

          • MagnaDave

            Yup. Way up high, off to the left, was a tiny brake pedal on the passenger side. We never did figure out why. It was great fun to either clamp down on it at a stop light or slowly press it harder and harder as we went along. He always thought it was the engine failing until he remembered that…

            A) The car had a tiny brake pedal on the passenger side.

            And

            B) His friends were obnoxious.

          • geezer 56

            (A) That is definitely hilarious and (B) I think that was a perfectly natural reaction!

          • MagnaDave

            He kind of deserved it. He sold a 69 Camaro to buy that car.

          • geezer 56

            Uh, yeah–my husband tells me a 69 Camaro would be worth major bucks now.

          • MagnaDave

            Yes. Back then not nearly as much but still…

            FOR A CIVIC?! Blasphemy!

          • geezer 56

            I still want a ’38 Bugatti.

          • TapestryMood

            I know…

          • MagnaDave

            Vestigial (adv)

            not fully developed

            It was a tiny brake pedal.

            Your apology is accepted.

            And leave my panties out of it!

          • TapestryMood

            Okey dokey..mea culpa..and, that’s the last time I will admit to being wrong..going to edit it, too…lol

          • MagnaDave

            OK, then. I will now unbunch my panties.

          • TapestryMood

            Oh, Dave..LMAO…you are so good for me..xoxo;-)

          • Unlisted2u

            Nice choice.. :)

          • TapestryMood

            lmao! Evil;-)

          • MagnaDave

            And, LOL!

          • Unlisted2u

            Geeze — have you ever got THAT right..!!
            The g/f was saying last time we were out that if the mane wasn’t right there on the back of the car in front of us that she’d have absolutely no idea what it was…. and I had to agree with her..

          • Unlisted2u

            mane..?? ROFL..
            Too kewl a typo to fix.. :)

          • Unlisted2u

            You mean like Arfla Romeo..? ;o)

          • geezer 56

            Well, if you’d spelled it correctly you would have chanced upon his favorite, in fact!

          • Unlisted2u

            But.. but — isn’t this how it would be spelled if barked out..? ;o)
            Neat cars too, btw — you can tell him.. :)

          • geezer 56

            Oh s**t, I didn’t get it at first! Very cute.

          • Unlisted2u

            :)

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            If he’s got an old Hudson pickup in the back yard, I’ll be happy to part with fifty bucks for it.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            I think it was a *natural* segue from an NRA thread. Sometimes cylinders spin, sometimes they go up and down?

          • geezer 56

            Nope, just the compulsion to share a photo of this beautiful car I’d just seen.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            It -is- pretty sweet. Why did I take so long telling you that? Brevity isn’t one of my strong suits.

    • Toastman

      Hey there U2. I’m just about to exit. Have to deal with fussy chefs all day.

      • Unlisted2u

        ‘k — Catch U l8r then.. :)

    • TapestryMood

      Anyone tell you that you look like a green Scotty Pippin….he has fascinating bone structure.

      • Toastman

        Dang, he does! Good eye.

        • TapestryMood

          :-) And, I knew his avatar was green..lol..;-)

          • MagnaDave

            Oh, please, let it be oxtail soup!

            (Rolls eyes)

          • TapestryMood

            What? How did you segue into that?
            Stop rolling yours eyes..or I’ll give you something to make them roll!! :-)

          • MagnaDave

            Oops. I thought we were all bringing food…

          • TapestryMood

            OK..forgiven…my comment about food was up higher on the thread..and, If I brought my homemade, scrumptious oxtail soup…you’d beg for more after a taste.;-P
            Taps and New York and Hawaiian chefs know what’s what, Sweets.

          • MagnaDave

            Chef Boyardee puts them all to shame. That’s why his first name is “Chef.”

          • Unlisted2u

            At least he doesn’t keep getting younger & younger.. like Col. Sanders & the Quaker Oats guy.. what’s his name — Frank Benjammin’ or sumptin..? ;o)

          • MagnaDave

            I thought Lulu was the only one who could do that.

          • Unlisted2u

            Next time you get an accidental chance, check out how the Col looks these days.. They’ve de-aged him by about 40-50 years..

          • MagnaDave

            You need to do the same with Lulu. Seriously, she must be about a hundred and five and looks like she’s in her 30s. Kind of the opposite of me.

          • TapestryMood

            She is 65 fer gawd’s sake…Cher is older than that.

          • MagnaDave

            65, 105. I rounded up.

          • Unlisted2u

            LMAO!!
            Dave’s hot 2nite.. :)

          • MagnaDave

            As are you. As are you!

          • TapestryMood

            I am going to use that lil’ round babykins head of his as my bowling ball….would knock down more pins than he does in league;-)

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            That’s true — looking more and more like Flossy every day?

          • TapestryMood

            Lulu is 65…geezuz..Dave sure likes to exaggerate;-)

          • MagnaDave

            Those are English years. They’re on the metric system.

          • Unlisted2u

            Ooooo..
            Call me Sweets too.. pleasseeee… ;o)

          • TapestryMood

            Ok, Sweetcheeks:-)

          • Unlisted2u

            I am soooo blushing right now.. ROFL..
            And tnx, btw.. :)

          • TapestryMood

            :-D

          • geezer 56

            Somebody, someday, please tell me the story behind oxtail soup!

          • MagnaDave

            TapestryMood sneaks up on unsuspecting oxen, cuts off their tails, and then turns them into soup.

          • geezer 56

            Is she behind all those alien cattle mutilations, too?

          • MagnaDave

            I don’t think so. She just goes after the tails. Poor oxen. Then they get mocked by the oxen with tails.

            It’s all quite sad, really.

          • geezer 56

            But the poor things can’t flick the flies away from their butts now!

          • MagnaDave

            As long as Tapestry gets her soup, that’s all that matters. You know, when she sees this conversation, I’m going to be in BIG trouble! Worth it, though. Somebody has to take a stand for the poor, helpless oxen.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            She’ll likely never notice — look how long we’ve stretched out this thread so far?

          • TapestryMood

            I see everything, Toots;-)

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Look at you! All computer-y and suchlike!

          • TapestryMood

            Ta da….take that, Nick, etc.;-D I know how y’all made fun of me..lol..;-).

          • TapestryMood

            As I try to get it through Dave’s THICK SKULL, they are not oxen, they are dead-cows…they don’t need their tails….;-P

          • MagnaDave

            Just don’t mention the fact that they killed themselves AFTER they realized that their tails were gone.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Now, head cheese — *that* idea takes some getting used to.

          • TapestryMood

            Have had it, don’t want to have it again..my gawd..if Dave knows I ate beef tongue and heart, too, he will go ballistic;-D

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Tripe — don’t mention it. Cheese ain’t quite the same without natural rennet, either. Seriously — Dave does NOT want to know.

          • MagnaDave

            I can barely handle thinking about the poor oxen with no tails.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            You never patronize -twice- any restaurant serving fish with the head intact?

          • MagnaDave

            I live on pizza. It covers all the major food groups. Cheese, cheese, and cheese, And mushrooms.

          • TapestryMood

            Look up rennet.

          • MagnaDave

            No and you can’t make me! If you ruin pizza, I will starve. Is that what you want?

            Rhetorical question.

          • TapestryMood

            Sheet..I had to look that up..argh..wish I didn’t know now;-)

          • TapestryMood

            Toastman needs to know, too;-)

          • geezer 56

            Whew!

          • MagnaDave

            You fell for that? They don’t call her Tapestry the Tailinator for nothing!

          • TapestryMood

            LMAO..ok…that IS funny;-) Damn tea all over my keyboard, you azz;-)

          • MagnaDave

            My work here is done.

      • Unlisted2u

        LMAO!!
        But, ya know.. yer sorta kinda correct.. Never really noticed before.. :)

        • TapestryMood

          :-) Did you bring anything to eat..a lil’ Housewarming Treat to celebrate the new “gathering” place? Ummm…no pizza, please:–)

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Roast pig baked on hot coals with banana leaves? He always makes me think of luaus and wahines trying on grass skirts.

          • TapestryMood

            Sounds wonderful ..often when he leaves talks about what he is going to cook..He and kon are my kind of dream men…men who enjoy food and cooking;-)

          • MagnaDave

            Dave grabs can opener…

          • TapestryMood

            Yea!!

          • MagnaDave

            Gently places Spaghetti-Os into the gourmet sauce-pan…

          • TapestryMood

            I still have my headache…do you want my tum hurting, too?
            Sadist! Mama Kitty is going to get your mouse if you don’t behave;-)

          • TapestryMood

            LOL..I am being modded ..sad ist.is the word..;-)

          • MagnaDave

            Mocking Spaghetti-Os is not allowed on this website.

            Read the bylaws.

          • geezer 56

            Spaghetti-Os are delicious–compared with the nasty old C rations my dad insisted we all eat when we went backpacking in the Grand Canyon. It took us a few years before we got up the nerve to mutiny and tell him we would not be eating any of that crap again, EVER.

          • MagnaDave

            Did he court-martial you?

            My mom used to make “minute-steaks.” I think she got them at the local shoe-repair shop. She was a great cook, except for those.

          • Unlisted2u

            Were they the hamburger-looking ones or the fake-o steak-o’s..?

          • MagnaDave

            They looked like soles from very old shoes. Didn’t taste as good, though.

          • Unlisted2u

            That could be either..
            The difference is the steak-o’s looked totally worn flat & had maybe 3 or 4 “slices” while the minute steaks were a solid hunk slightly textured with a really tiny waffle iron-y look..

          • MagnaDave

            It was the second one.

            (((SHUDDER!)))

          • Unlisted2u

            Yup..
            That woulda been my guess from what you said about them finally being able to figure out what to do with the gristle.. lol not at all..

          • TapestryMood

            I must be really fortunate..never had Spaghetti O’s in my life..or the mystery meat you two are talking about…THANK YOU, MOM!

          • MagnaDave

            The shoes gave up their soles willingly. The oxen never had a choice.

          • Unlisted2u

            ROFL..! :D

          • Unlisted2u

            When you said the steak-o’s sounded familiar — that’s probably a product called steak-um’s.. Those very possibly could have been the first example of what is referenced as “fused” meat. I’m pretty sure they pre-date the Arby switchover from real roast beef to their fused product..

          • TapestryMood

            It wasn’t me, hon..must have been Dave, Geezer, or Ranchero..I just eat cow tails;-)

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Well, it’s getting late, I should call it; “a night!” Plus, somebody else needs to be standing by in case Dave throws up all that wheat grass, hummus, and quinoa he’s been munching?

          • TapestryMood

            G’Nite..I am leaving, too…fun night;-)

          • MagnaDave

            Do you think that they could fuse the tails back on to the oxen somehow? I’d like to give them a ray of hope that they can lead normal lives again.

          • Unlisted2u

            They most likely could..
            But honestly, what purpose does it serve reattaching tail to dead suicidal beasts of burden..?
            I simply do not see the point..

          • MagnaDave

            Well, the trick is to do it before they’re dead. Post tail removal, pre suicide.

          • geezer 56

            That’s it! Steak-Ums! Maybe ‘cuz when I asked Mom what was for lunch she said “Um, steak?”

          • Unlisted2u

            LMAO!! Har!! :D

          • TapestryMood

            See..it wasn’t moi…it was geezer and Dave..never saw or heard of them..mom was a farm girl..would never have had something like the in the house;-)

          • geezer 56

            Hate to say it, but “Steak-O’s” is ringing a bell.

          • geezer 56

            I remember those “steaks”! Wow. Just bad.

            Dad was a lieutenant commander in the Navy, which made him hard to argue with until we discovered dehydrated food good for backpacking. Turkey tetrazzini. Yum!

          • MagnaDave

            On the bright side, they figured out that if they called gristle “minute steaks” they could sell it.

            A friend of mine brought “pilot biscuits”on a hike once. They were like regular biscuits compressed almost into diamonds.

          • TapestryMood

            :-D Ahh..good times;-)

          • MagnaDave

            They were rather chewy but they did the job, lol.

          • TapestryMood

            Anything you can dunk in milk, coffee, tea, or chocolate can be edible.

          • geezer 56

            (still laughing about the shoe repair shop…)

          • TapestryMood

            C’mon..it’s a great memory, now!;-)

          • geezer 56

            Great memories, except when all you had to eat were 10-year-old crackers and mystery meat in a can. It looked EXACTLY like cat food.

          • Unlisted2u

            Oh come on….
            Cat food looks MUCH better than C rations.. ;o)

          • TapestryMood

            Gack…we actually cooked on our trips…lol;-)

          • geezer 56

            Dad got the C rats cheap at the PX. Since he made all the arrangements for the backpacking trips, the food fell to him, too–until the aforementioned mutiny.

            On the other hand, I once saw a young couple attempting to hike down the trail with nothing but a watermelon. They didn’t last long. Ranger turned ‘em around about halfway down.

          • TapestryMood

            LMAO..a watermelon? That’s all? OMG;-)
            My dad never arranged anything….he just did the driving;-)

          • geezer 56

            Well, it doesn’t take much brains to get halfway down the trail without a permit. People see it as a lark until they realize they need to get ALL the way down before they see any water.

          • Unlisted2u

            Thanks for pointing that out..
            When I read them I thought it said milking of spag-Os not allowed.. and had no idea what they meant..

          • MagnaDave

            You’re on a “roll” tonight. Or was that a bagel?

          • Unlisted2u

            Bagel’s roll.. ;o)

          • TapestryMood

            Snort;-)

          • Unlisted2u

            LOL ;)

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Spaghetti-O’s tastes EXACTLY the same coming back up as going down. Must be the food of the gods?

          • MagnaDave

            The trick is to keep them down. It’s a secret that only those of us with a true culinary upbringing are aware of.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            That’s true — anything is better than Geez’s dad’s *L*U*R*P*S*?

          • chezmoi

            Or the birds? Regurgitated worms…

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Yes — must. feed. nestlings. now!

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Did you lose the -keys- to the spam?

          • TapestryMood

            Hawaiian steak;-) Amazed how many ways they cook it.

          • MagnaDave

            ♬♪ SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! ♩♫

            ♩♫ Wonderful SPAM! ♬♪

            (Vikings lower from ceiling)

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Baked beans are off!

          • MagnaDave

            You could have the bacon, bacon, ham, eggs, bacon, and ham. That’s not got much bacon in it!

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            If you’d said “it’s not got much heart attack in it”, I might have asked you to step outside!

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            I made some pretty good vegetable stew the other day. I cheated and started with portobello mushroom soup stock from a carton.

          • TapestryMood

            That’s a luscious kind of cheating if it tastes good..I’ve never tried it. I love homemade soups and stews in the winter….make huge batches and freeze meal portions;-)

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            I always cook the meat separately — sometimes turkey burger, sometimes hot dogs — today I had some leftover pork loin. Sometimes, I just have a burrito or chimi on the side, or even -in- it.

          • TapestryMood

            Eclectic man:-) Burlington used to have a Hungarian-Mexican Restaurant when I lived there…I haven’t been to the town in years so don’t know if it is still there.
            BEST beef or pork Chimichangas I’ve ever eaten…would go there at least once a week…wife was Hungarian and her stew was to d i e for!

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            That’s sounds like it’s worth a try. I know there used to be a few dairy farmers up that way that brought their show herds to Puyallup — it’s been so long, I doubt if any would recognize me — let alone invite me to sit down for some Hungarian-Mexican takeaway?

          • TapestryMood

            Next time I go up to Bellingham with my daughter, I will have her swing into Burlington and see if it is still there;-)

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            It’s been even longer since I’ve been in Bellingham — I saw a recent story that indicated a sizable portion of young ‘uns (they couldn’t have ALL been attending Western?) were being a bit of a nuisance.

            I’ve heard there are bars up that way frequented by across-the-border folks — I’m sure they welcome the native patrons with open arms — anything else would fall in the category of *unfounded rumors*?

          • TapestryMood

            Yes..they blamed it all on the college students, but there were lots of young locals, too. Couldn’t believe it all stemmed from a block party shut-down. Over-reaction on all sides, fer gawd’s sake.
            Even when I went to college there ..Canadians were treated well by all businesses and police…helped the local economy. Students and police had a good relationship, too..even with Vietnam War protestors…police and town kept it all low key.
            The time’s they are a’changing..not for the better..sigh..

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            I’m sure they can sit down and hammer out something smart and long-term. It ain’t the West Bank of the Jordan, right?

          • TapestryMood

            University, Student government, Police, Town Council..all worked it out, I think.
            No, it isn’t..that’s why it came as such a shock to all..

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            I’ve just thought of a new business venture for Vets — weekend crowd-chaperone service! Sure beats turning Whatcom County into Taser Alley?

          • TapestryMood

            Ah..let our vets have some peace, eh?

          • Unlisted2u

            The bagel shoppe doesn’t open for another 2 hours yet..

          • TapestryMood

            Ahhhh…like the Smother’s Brothers, eh…you love the Morning Crew more than Epoch at Midnight;-)

          • Unlisted2u

            When I’m feeling well I tend to straddle the overlap..

          • TapestryMood

            How are you. …antibiotics finally working? Been taking some people months to get over this crud!

          • Unlisted2u

            It hit me the week before Thanksgiving. I just finished my 4th round of ABs yesterday.. and since they were Z-pak they’re still ticking for another 5 days..
            I sincerely hope this batch finally finishes knocking it out..!

          • TapestryMood

            :-( Bastalready had been dealing with since December..I haven’t seen her here lately, but she ended up with bronchitis, etc with it..just vicious stuff. I sincerely hope you have it licked and over it!

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            I saw her over on Raw Story a week or so ago; I didn’t say howdy — she’d been lingering too long on a -third- website I’m inclined to avoid mentioning for now. Never say never, though, huh?

          • TapestryMood

            Got’cha;-)

          • Unlisted2u

            2nd’d..

          • TapestryMood

            You, too?

          • Unlisted2u

            Nuh-uh..
            Just happened to be an innocent unwilling, at first on the spot and later on slightly after the fact witness.. That doesn’t include any carryover to anywhere else..

          • TapestryMood

            Ok…I post once in a blue moon..but this is home, to me.
            Enough angst in my life;-)

          • Unlisted2u

            Roger that..!
            I done put my time in already, ya know..?

          • Unlisted2u

            This musta been the same or similar strain..
            Got up one day with a very slightly scratchy throat.. Next day it felt like there was a semi parked on my chest.. I hadn’t been hit with anything that vicious in at least 15 years.. Seriously knocked me off my feet.. Thought I’d coughed my stomach lining to shreds..

          • TapestryMood

            Augh..had something like that in my 30′s..actually had to go to emergency room on the weekend..coughing was agony for weeks..my throat and stomach felt shredded, too..was still weak and hurting for over a month…but not as long as what you are dealing with.

          • Unlisted2u

            This was, and still is, different than anything I’ve ever experienced in the past.. Definitely a new or mutated strain of something not so very nice..

            BRB..

  • Unlisted2u

    Stick a fork in me, peeps — I’m done..
    Catch y’all l8r in the day.. or tomorrie.. as it may be..

    L8rz g8rz.. :)

    • geezer 56

      Hey, me too, U2. Night!

      • Unlisted2u

        Nite geeze..
        Pheasant dreams.. ;o)

      • TapestryMood

        G’Nite..Midnight at Epoch Agora is shutting down..fun sharing tonight;-)

      • MagnaDave

        Nite, geezer. I’ll swing ’round with the Bugatti one of these days.

    • MagnaDave

      Goodnight, U2. I’ll be following shortly.

      • TapestryMood

        Nite, Sweetpea…another fun one;-)

        • MagnaDave

          Are you signing out? I guess it’s about that time.

          • TapestryMood

            I have laughed so much tonight..I even forgot about my headache..TTYT..Sweet Dreams..xoxoxo ((HUGS))) C

          • MagnaDave

            I just checked and it looks like everyone said goodnight. I’m glad you had fun! It was fun! TTYT… xoxoxo (((HUGS)))) D

            Hey, why don’t I not “Post” and see how long I can keep you up? Wouldn’t that be fun?

            OK, maybe not… NITE!

          • TapestryMood

            Ha! You are too kind to do that..right? Right? :-D

          • MagnaDave

            Yup. Just a thought. Have a great day tomorrow and I’ll talk to you tomorrow night if you’re around. xoxoxo

    • TapestryMood

      We are all exhausted..but such fun! Take care of yourself..mwah!

      • rg9rts

        PFSSssssssssst

        • TapestryMood

          The cat-whisperer knows all;-)
          MONSTA’S cyber connection is awesome.;-P

          • rg9rts

            Now he is in the closet

          • TapestryMood

            Poor baby…you snoring too loud;-)

          • rg9rts

            Amusing himself as he just got your message and squeeks on the bed now

          • TapestryMood

            Soft Kitty..warm kitty..;-) I just finished the reruns of Daily Show and Colbert..was about to run my updates before bed..and up you popped..you should have stayed longer tonight..a fun crew.

          • rg9rts

            I got them off HP and talking about 60′s sports cars.

          • TapestryMood

            Ahhhh…got’cha…well, the car info was interesting..so many names I don’t have a clue about.

          • rg9rts

            We also discussed the price of purses and shoes

          • TapestryMood

            Saw that..when my daughter was looking for a dress for Senior Prom, she told me the one she liked was only 300$ ..I told her fine, pay for it yourself..I wouldn’t;-) She didn’t buy it;-D
            My most expensive shoes are boots, birkies, and my golf sandals;-)
            Purse? Maybe $30…I am low maintenance kind of gal.

          • rg9rts

            Low maintenance only if you prefer carnations.

          • TapestryMood

            5 minutes of typing..and that’s all you did? LOL..see my sunflower…and I grow them myself…ppplllbbbttt;-)

          • rg9rts

            Dave pays me big bucks to annoy you and hubby throws in a kicker too. Truth is I had to look up maintenance instead of looking up. More coffee please

          • TapestryMood

            Dave I can believe..hub, nah:-)
            I have been out of tea for 2 days..so WEAK coffee so I don’t shake…lol..ick:-)

          • rg9rts

            Didn’t know you could ferment coffee

          • TapestryMood

            :-) I can drink 10 cups of tea a day…but 2 cups of regular coffee and I get *coffee jitters*..weird…and I don’t drink herbal tea.
            It is now 3..hub will be awake in 3 hours..so, hitting the pillow..have a good one..xoxo to MONSTA;-)

          • rg9rts

            Nite nite dear

  • HeyJude

    From Wikipedia : The Agora (Ancient Greek: Ἀγορά, Agorá) was a central spot in ancient Greek city-states. The literal meaning of the word is “gathering place” or “assembly”. The agora was the center of athletic, artistic, spiritual and political life of the city.[1] The Ancient Agora of Athens was the best-known example.

    What a lovely place Gidon has led us to! Good morning, and I hope no one minds that I have arrived still wearing my ….uhmmm…sleeping toga. :-)

    • chezmoi

      Oh, a toga party! I see we have a new setting to play in; most inviting. Does that mean we wore out two whole pages already? I’ve been having a lot of trouble getting in here lately, seeing odd centered comments with no ups, down, or replies. I hope this one will last more than a few weeks. Thanks for listening, ET folks!
      Good morning to you, Jude; I’m thinking about lunch. That toga looks familiar…*looks closely at the weave*…isn’t that a – horse blanket? How creative! And those little stirrup earrings are adorable.

      • HeyJude

        Good morning, Chez! Why thank you…yes….a horse blanket smartly draped and pinned makes an excellent wrap. Although I must say, next time I make my authentic stirrup earrings, I should not use real stirrups. My earlobes now hang down to my elbows. :-) Lunch already? What is on the menu?

    • allison1050

      Morning HJ, thank you for the definition since I was too lazy to look it up myself. The photo is beautiful. I refuse to tell ya what I’m wearing…blushing while sipping my 1st cuppa.

      • HeyJude

        If you don’t tell us, we make stuff up ya know. :-) I’m guessing Fredericks of Hollywood, something bright red, with stiletto’s?? Good morning!

        • allison1050

          Either stiletto’s or the Italian black leather high heeled boots!

          • HeyJude

            yes..yes….I can picture it now…. LOL

          • allison1050

            lots of laughter!

  • BungeeCord

    Every time my night owl stomps all over my early bird, I’m reminded that I’m no spring chicken.

    • HeyJude

      Hate when that happens. :-) Goodmorning, BC

    • rg9rts

      That means nothing till you wake up and count the spots that DON’T hurt

  • GidonBelmaker

    Having people look up the term “agora” in Wikipedia makes me feel really clever for coming up with it.

    Some of the Brits here wanted their own room, so here it is: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/480615-the-public-house/

    and we have one for Canadians: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/480649-house-of-commas/

    and an off topic room: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/480664-happy-hour/

    • HeyJude

      It was very clever, Gidon, and much appreciated! I hope you take us all over the world to clever meeting places in the future. :-) I hope the Brits and Canadians like us USA-ers well enough to let us in. LOL Is an off topic room redundant? How do you ever keep us on topic anywhere????

      • GidonBelmaker

        Next in line are the grand bazaar and Al-maidan. after that I am open to suggestion, but we have to go east

        • Canukistani

          Maybe the opera house in Ulan Bator?

          • allison1050

            No Canuk, I wanna go back to Rio it’s summer there.

          • Canukistani

            Me too, but Rio isn’t east :-(

          • allison1050

            I wanna go back to Rio!! stamping of feet here

          • Canukistani

            Maybe we need to start a petition.

          • epazote

            Rio is East
            It’s to the East of N America…and almost time for Carnivál

          • Marissa Emily

            I love Rio!!! never been there but I can Samba!!!!

          • epazote

            I wanna go to the Viño del Mar music festival in Chile
            R/T airfare is only $499 US at the moment

          • Marissa Emily

            Oh really? hmmm not bad at all!

          • epazote

            AeroMexico’s offering some terrific deals right now

          • rg9rts

            I’ll bet you can

          • Marissa Emily

            hehehe Silly Kitty!

        • allison1050

          I used to love traveling but this is nice also and thanks Gidon.

        • HeyJude

          Fantastic, I love it! Ok…I also really need to see the Valley of the Kings, Ankor Wat, and the lost city of Petra. :-) And I will try to convince you that the Mayan Temples have to be east of something.

          • GidonBelmaker

            Petra is not that lost. There are taxi cabs going from Eilat/ Akaba and you can make it a one day trip. if you are ever in the region (Ex-Israeli here)

          • HeyJude

            Thank you, Gidon. It is on my list of things in the world that must be seen in person….someday. Shalom :-)

    • HeyJude

      OK, I’m impressed….those are all really creative, and love the “house of commas” LOL!!

      • rg9rts

        Whinnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeeee

        • HeyJude

          Hey rg, I’d recognize that whinny anywhere! I’ve missed you the last couple of mornings, just not the same without you here trying to annoy me! :-)

          • rg9rts

            Actually sleeping been helping my friend work on his van and it beats you up. You know you are old when you get the tire on and you are sitting on the ground trying to figure out how in the world am I going to stand up. No jumping up anymore. Crawl on all fours and look for a hand grip somewhere. After four days the end result is the van got towed and I am much more limber LOL

          • HeyJude

            :-) More limber now? Time to do cartwheels in the yard! You should get into commercials now….”help, I’ve fallen and I can’t get up” (and use method acting…picture the tire, get in the moment).

    • AskandTell

      I love the names Gidon…House of Commons and Happy Hour!

    • epazote

      Do you ever sleep, Gidon ?
      Love you folks at Epoch Times !

      • GidonBelmaker

        Actually, I sleep quite a lot. Though I do try to start my day early with an hour of meditation before going to work.

        • epazote

          The hour meditation thing…did you take that up after we barged in here ? ;-)

          • allison1050

            Bet Gidon did take it up after we barged in.

    • Marissa Emily

      Okay and how about a room for us latinos??? LOL

    • Canukistani

      Good morning and thanks for all these great new rooms to share and fill with fun and interesting chit-chat!

      Wait a sec, though. House of Commas? You’re just trying to see who’s awake aren’t you?

    • allison1050

      cool!

    • rg9rts

      Old New York Times crossword clue

  • JasmineStarlight

    Agape to Agora…. Welcome to our new abode.
    It’s a brand new day ~♥ ~

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhUfVcLLvjo

    Have a great one peeps —(((((Hugs)))) for warmth—Hurry
    up Spring!

    Down the Java and off to work finally got a project I LOVE!!! Yipeee!! every once in awhile life smiles upon you.

    Thanks ET for the new place :)
    Side note hope we don’t lose Canuk and some with the other
    threads…its great tho! Great pic— a lovely place to vistit.

    • Marissa Emily

      Good Morning Jasmine : )

      • JasmineStarlight

        Top of the morning Marissa :)
        Glad to see you’re feisty and bright eye, no B-Day hangover!
        Out the door now, have a great weekend sweetie—stay out of trouble.

    • rg9rts

      At the rate we are going we’ll be out of here in three weeks

  • Marissa Emily

    Okay who moved the room? there is more movement here than in Earthquake infested Cali!

    • epazote

      I hear you’re getting rain showers this morning…much needed. Stay off the 78 !

      • Marissa Emily

        Yeah some sprinkles here and there not much : (

        • allison1050

          Morning Marissa, how was your b-day? We might get some of those sprinkles here in Vegas if we do it’ll be the 1st time trying to figure out how to make the wipers work on my car–look out world ’cause I’m hitting the road!

          • Marissa Emily

            Hi Allison! hahaha what are wipers??? JK

          • epazote

            Wipers are used like paperweights for parking citations and advertising flyers

          • Marissa Emily

            hahaha Well at least here in Cali they are..

            How is Meh Ji Co today? My mother just got back from there.

          • epazote

            Relatively cold. Am looking forward to upcoming 1 week vacation in Guadalajara and Puerto Vallarta.
            Where is the there your mom just returned from ?

          • Marissa Emily

            Drug Cartel infested Michoacan

          • epazote

            YIKES !
            I’m not smart enough to have any real fears…but NO WAY would I venture into Michoacan

          • Marissa Emily

            I told her she must have a death wish. I’m just glad to have her back in Cali safe and sound.

          • allison1050

            Hey!! hold on now I’m still little enough and limber to curl up in your suitcase. You better be able to duck and dodge there.

          • epazote

            Sorry, allison
            I have no patience for airport baggage checks & carousels. Luggage is sent to our destination via UPS in advance, and is waiting when we arrive. It’s never damaged, lost, or misdirected, and contents never mysteriously gone missing.
            Are you small enough to squeeze into a handbag ?

          • allison1050

            Depends on the size of the handbag. I do have a wonderful leather sack w/shoulder strap I might might fit into.

          • allison1050

            It depends on the size of the handbag.

  • Canukistani

    Mornin’ all. Glad to see everyone is finding our new digs.

    • Marissa Emily

      Good Morning! : )

      • Canukistani

        Did you have a good birthday party?

        • Marissa Emily

          Sure did! thanks for asking…still feeling the effects of the Margaritas!

          • Canukistani

            That’s how you know it was a good party :-)

          • Marissa Emily

            I can’t handle alcohol ….

          • Canukistani

            At some point nobody can.

          • Marissa Emily

            I have very low tolerance two drink is my max, one if there’s tequila involved

          • Canukistani

            Hmm, maybe you need to build that up by drinking more often, vice takes constant practice, you know.

          • allison1050

            It does indeed Canuk.

          • rg9rts

            PFssssssst

          • allison1050

            softly pfsssssst!

          • rg9rts

            You have to scratch gentle

          • Marissa Emily

            hahaha I will take your advice this weekend!

          • rg9rts

            Time for you to make a road trip to see Taps

          • Marissa Emily

            HA! wait till she read this….LOL

          • rg9rts

            Ready and rollin’ LOL

          • allison1050

            Marissa, I thought that we were girlfriends so where’s my Margarita?

          • Marissa Emily
  • Canukistani

    I gotta go find some breakfast, but I’ll leave you with this gentle tune to start the day …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OCnHNk2Hac

    • Marissa Emily

      Enjoy!!!

      • DTVM

        Good morning, Marissa Emily, and I hope you had a very nice birthday yesterday! I posted you my wishes yesterday, but you may not have
        seen them.

        No Man Is An Island

        • Marissa Emily

          No I didn’t see them and I have my notifications turned off…
          Thank you!!!! Yes it was a lovely evening with my family.

          • DTVM

            No problema — you’re most welcome, and many happy returns of the day!

            No Man Is An Island

          • Marissa Emily

            : ) how is your day going?

          • DTVM

            Hasta ahora, va bien. Gracias. ¿Como va el tuyo?

            No Hombre Es Una Isla

          • Marissa Emily

            El mio va bien tambien, Isla? lol okay

          • rg9rts

            Are we to the point of counting every third birthday yet?

          • Marissa Emily

            Yes! From now on I will only celebrate my birthday on Leap year!

          • rg9rts

            See!!!! Great minds think alike

    • jbiot

      Very nice.

    • DTVM

      Bon jour mon ami, et merci pour la belle chanson! I don’t remember ever seeing
      Peter, Paul, and Mary looking so young, and what a nice way to start the morning.
      Have a great weekend!

      No Man Is An Island

      • Canukistani

        I always remember them looking this young :-)

        Great week-end to you too!

  • fumes

    ATTN: HuffPo Diaspora

    File under: GRRR/LOL

    “Facebook’s Toying With A Radical New Idea: Letting You Be Anonymous
    The Huffington Post
    | By Dino Grandoni
    Posted: 01/30/2014 12:36 pm EST | Updated: 01/30/2014 12:59 pm EST”

    • Classical_Gas

      Oh, that’s hilarious! Thanks for the LOLs, fumes!

      • fumes

        Classical_Gas..

        my pleasure! will this mean Tim McDonald will backtrack? hmmm…

        • Classical_Gas

          Ha! Timmeh will do whatever HairyAnna tells him to do. I wonder if she’s taking suggestions…hmmmmm…

    • DTVM

      OMG, fumes — did the sun rise in the WEST today, too? ;-)
      No Man Is An Island

      • rg9rts

        Good movie

        • DTVM

          Sorry, rg9rts, maybe I’m more dense than usual today, but I don’t follow you. ;-)

          No Man Is An Island

          • rg9rts

            “No man is an island ” was a movie about a sailor that was overrun during the Japanese invasion of Guam. And how the people hid him and protected him till we retook the island in 1944.

          • DTVM

            Thanks — I didn’t know about the movie.

            “No Man Is An Island” in tribute to the great John Donne poem, is my screen name on a number of sites, including the unlamented HP, and would have been on Disqus, too, except someone else got it first here.

            I lost more than a half hour trying to register other meaningful screen
            names on Disqus; but in order to start posting, I finally just settled for the letters “DTVM.” At least I can still sign my posts “No Man Is An Island” anyway.

            No Man Is An Island

          • rg9rts

            Now you know, Not long after I left in 69 they found the Japanese version there too. He’d been running around the boonies since 1944.

      • fumes

        DTVM
        ——–
        dunno! a flock of elephants blocked my view ;-}-~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  • Marissa Emily

    Okay some bootty shaking music since it’s FRIDAY!!! Don Omar-Taboo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRWqYR3e7xE

    • epazote

      mi encanta

      • Marissa Emily

        a mi tambien, mucho!

      • DTVM

        Buenos días, epazote. ¿Como estas?

        No Hombre Es Una Isla

        • epazote

          Todo bien, gracias
          Tu ?

    • rg9rts

      Time to do your raindance!

      • Marissa Emily

        If it will make it rain again in Cali I’m all for it!!!

  • Greta42

    So now that Facebook is considering to allow anonymous posting , what will HP do about it?? I just checked out HP and I noticed that some of their posters still use made up names – what’s that all about?

    • rg9rts

      You couldn’t pay me to go back there

      • Greta42

        I couldn’t agree more, rg9. But it is curious that only 6 weeks after HP made it mandatory to verify our IDs through FB that this would happen. Sounds a bit strange to me.

        • rg9rts

          It cost them money but besides the id BS I don’t need the conazis in my face all the time , the side boob shots and for all I know the Kardashians all croaked

    • escribacat

      I just went back and scanned the headlines and that old familiar feeling of deep irritation came up again. I had forgotten how maddenly stupid their headlines are. They should call it Romper Room Post.

      • Greta42

        I know exactly what you mean – the misleading headlines and the sensationalized headlines – definitely annoying.

  • OnyxE

    The FIRE DEPT in Holley, NY will soon be holding their annual charity event….The Holley Squirrel Slam. I should not be surprised but I am still surprised there are human like creatures that find this family entertainment in North America.

    This squirrel hunt is an annual fundraiser for the Holley Fire Department. It is the 7th Annual Squirrel Slam and occurred on February 16, 2013.

    However, in actuality, this is a mass squirrel-killing contest in which children & adults are awarded cash & gun prizes for killing the heaviest squirrels.

    Last year Friends of Animals and its supporters were there to protest the event.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oKE6ysZKD0#t=18

    • Greta42

      Onyx – What a disgrace, truly disgusting. It seems some people are addicted to killing living creatures – the rednecks are really proud of themselves as seen in the video. Did you note that some of the signs were part of the teabagger mentality type? What else should we expect.

      • OnyxE

        They remind me of the hillbillies in the movie ‘Deliverance’. Brain dead. But really….this is why animal activists sometimes become extremists…they fight this crap and never get heard. I’m getting sick of it. It’s so obvious this is a neanderthal stupid violent activity and a horrible example for children but it continues.

        • Greta42

          Glad you mentioned “Deliverance” because that’s what came to mind for me too. After reading about the Neanderthal DNA finding in modern day man earlier this week, I think we can be fairly certain that a group of them live in Holley NY. This kind of violence and senseless killing of innocent animals is the kind of thing that needs to go extinct along with the NRA.

          • forpeace

            Dearest Greta, I saw your reply to that weird poster in my defense, I couldn’t find the original comment, that’s why I’ve decided to leave a message for you right here.

            Just to let you know that I’m humbled by your TRUE friendship, and so grateful to have you as my friend, you and I went through good and bad together at HP, I will always be your friend, and I will ALWAYS have your back, no matter what.

            Love you very much, and wish you a very nice weekend. ;-)

          • Greta42

            My dear friend, there is no need to thank me for anything – my comment expressed my support and respect for you and I’m sure many others would do the same. I didn’t understand the caustic comment and just wanted to give the poster another perspective.

            You are and always will be a true friend, forpeace and we will always have each other’s back.

    • escribacat

      That is truly sick. In the old sense of the word. I just came in from feeding peanuts to “my” squirrels on a snowy morning.

      • OnyxE

        This is the other thing…the most innocent peaceful animals are the ones they always go after the most. They’re such cowards.

    • Canukistani

      What a stupid and disgusting thing to do! Why should killing things be a party of any supposedly festive event?

      • OnyxE

        It is also put on by the FIRE DEPT. Often you see firemen saving animals… but not in Holley.

        • Greta42

          That really is the point, Onyx – the FIRE DEPT! We’ve been seeing heroic rescues of dogs, horses, etc who’ve fallen through ice these last few weeks in my region – and the FIRE Depts were very much involved in the rescues.

    • Winky Cat

      Geez, that’s as sick (maybe worse since they “claim” no harm happens to the animal) than the annual New Year’s Eve “Possum Drop” in Brasstown, NC! Just leave the animals alone!

      • HamletsMill

        Absolutely ridiculous! What is wrong with people? Hi Winky! Hope things are warming up in E.PA. today too!

        • Winky Cat

          Hey HamMill! Yes, it’s around 35 degrees right now. Absolutely balmy compared to what is has been! Have a great weekend!

          • HamletsMill

            You too! 42 here! WFH (Work From Home) Day for me! Yay!

            A New “Slow Jam” Remix For You!
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2YGIjnvbEk

          • Winky Cat

            FOUR PAWS UP! That’s the best one yet! Even had little “meows” (kitty backup singers!) in the background. And the dog on the keyboard was a nice touch too.

          • HamletsMill

            YES! FOUR PAWS UP! I really liked this one too!

          • rg9rts

            Run around the lawn naked time

      • rg9rts

        Psfsssssst

  • JasmineStarlight

    A shout-out to Cougar, if he comes through here today….I can’t reply to you from notifications, the thread is closed. I hope you find the Agora! Enjoy your postings and thoughts, one of the good guys :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k_1kvDh2UA

    I leave you a quick hellooooo for now :)
    ….just wishing you a good day.
    I know you were waiting for some results today…… God Speed to ya friend ~♥ ~
    A little Cold Play sent your way today…the speed of sound—healing energy~♥ ~

  • Classical_Gas

    This is great! Such potential for great leaps forward in the field of medicine. I just hope it’s available to all who could benefit…

    http://3dprintboard.com/showthread.php?1599-3D-Printing-The-Human-Body-Awesome-Infograph

    • HamletsMill

      Wow! Very interesting! I have bookmarked it! Thanks CG!

      • Classical_Gas

        My pleasure, HM!

      • forpeace

        Glad to see you, HM.

        • HamletsMill

          Glad to see you too fp! One going out to all the Goddess posterotti on here in the Great Exodus from HP to the New World!

          Gov’t Mule – “Gold Dust Woman” ft. Grace Potter – Mountain Jam VI – 6/4/10
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A13tUxH09SI

    • forpeace

      That is very important and interesting, thank you, CG.

      • Classical_Gas

        You’re most welcome, forpeace.

  • Cynthia W.

    IMPORTANT !!!!!
    Does anyone know how to contact our moderators at ET?????

    I have an ecard to send, but need an email address !!!!!!!!!!!

    • Canukistani

      I think if you flag your comment that’ll get their attention. Apparently swearing will too.

      • Cynthia W.

        Thing is, the card address is sent via email, and will have a link so they can view the card. It will be from the former Huffugees for the Chinese New Year

        • Canukistani

          CG’s link above looks helpful.

          • HeyJude

            If I check out the Canadian House of Commas will you let me in? I’ll say eh, and pin maple leaves to my sweater….deal?

          • Canukistani

            You’re always welcome to visit. Just make sure you bring a toque. It gets frosty sometimes. On the plus side, we have better beer.

          • HeyJude

            Thanks, Canuk! Well now I have to go out and buy a toque. And since I had to look up what that was, I now know I can get one with ear flaps and pom poms as options! Cool!

        • HeyJude

          Great idea, Cyn. I don’t think we can show them our appreciation enough. :-) Is there a way you can share the card here with us so we can see what “we” sent? LOL

          • Cynthia W.

            Trying to figure that out LOL !!!

          • Cynthia W.
          • HeyJude

            ok, that takes me to the site, but shows a blank card ready to be filled out. I don’t mean to make it harder for you, since you’re doing all the work. Just tell us what you said after you send it if that’s easier. :-)

          • Cynthia W.

            Happy New Year to the staff at Epoch Times

            Thank you for the welcome you have given to those of us looking for a special place

            With much love and appreciation from,
            Former Huffugees

          • HeyJude

            Perfect. :-) Now if only we could upload cupcakes to their computers…. I always hope everyone at ET knows how much we love and appreciate them, your thoughtful card is a great way to do it. Thanks, Cyn.

        • Ian_Llanganagain

          hy not write to –

          feedback@epochtimes.com
          submissions@epochtimes.com

          and
          see if they will give you a contact name? It’s probably something
          fairly conventional for all of their staff – like
          “firstname.lastname@spochtimes.com”

          ??

          • Canukistani

            Ian! Did you check out our new Canucki home yet?

          • Cynthia W.

            Yes, I did. Can I come visit? I sent the ecard–hope it arrives safely

          • Canukistani

            Sure! Like I told Jude though, better bring a toque this time of year. I just noticed that Gidon was on up near the top a few minutes ago, so he’s around.

          • rg9rts

            Now how do we know when we are running threads on both sites if their is a reply on one while we are on the other??

          • Canukistani

            I dunno what’s going to work best yet, myself. Email notifications? Keeping windows open on both (or more, with the Happy Hour and UK threads as well)? Subscribing to some of the threads? I guess well have to figure it out.

            On the plus side, when one place gets full we can go visit the neighbors.

          • rg9rts

            UK thread??

          • Canukistani

            Gets dizzying, doesn’t it?

            http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/480615-the-public-house/

            They all seem to be linked on the Forum page now too.

          • rg9rts

            Found my wench already there now have to rouse up the other two.

          • Canukistani

            3 wenches? I’d be careful if I was you! This might not end well.

          • Unlisted2u

            What.. Wait..!
            There’s a Canadian page now too..?
            How kewl is that..? :)

        • Canukistani

          It’s flagged now.

      • Cynthia W.

        So far I have it to go to feedback@epochtimes.com Will wait a few more minutes

        • Canukistani

          I can still see your posts so maybe your flagging didn’t work. You could try doing an edit and swearing. That ought to get their attention, according to Gidon.

          • Cynthia W.

            Ugh !!! I’m not used to swearing. You can always reply to me and call me a bad name LOL !!!

          • Canukistani

            I would never do that! I’ll try flagging your first post on this too.

    • Classical_Gas
      • Cynthia W.

        Would it go under feedback or submissions?

        • Classical_Gas

          I’d try feedback, or you could try flagging your own comment to get their attention – as Canuk advised.

          Very cool idea, Cynthia!

          • Canukistani

            Yeah! I think it’s a great idea!

          • Cynthia W.

            OK I flagged it !!!!!

          • Canukistani

            Please let us know how it goes.

          • Cynthia W.

            You should flag it as well !!

          • Canukistani

            Did you get it sorted out?

    • Cynthia W.

      Maybe I should flag the question????

    • GidonBelmaker

      feedback@epochtimes.com Will be best. And thanks! can’t wait to see it!

  • forpeace

    Hello everyone!

    This was one of so many other issues I had with HP:

    Posted: 01/31/2014 8:58 am EST

    • Front Page Headline:
    THE OBAMACARE REFUGEES

    • Inside headline:
    Millions Are Now Realizing They’re Too Poor For Obamacare

    • Important part of article intentionally missing in Front and Inside Headline:
    Thanks to a Supreme Court ruling and staunch Republican resistance, Marc Alphonse, an unemployed 40-year-old Marine veteran who is essentially homeless, cannot get health insurance under Obamacare……………….

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/31/florida-medicaid-uninsured_n_4680566.html

    • forpeace

      Misleading headlines to attract anti-ACA crowd is a terrible thing to do by news media.

      • allison1050

        That’s just another thing that HPoo had begun to do.

        • forpeace

          No, they have been doing that for a long time, and I always posted a comment in that regards on the articles asking them to change the headline, sometimes they changed the headline, sometimes they removed my comment!!

      • OneOtherPerson

        Are you insinuating that HP is part of the news media?

        • forpeace

          LOL, at least it was before AOL’s takeover!!

      • HamletsMill

        Precisely. We really were bullied and abused over there as we kept hoping things would get better. We truly were in some kind of terrible social psychology experiment. In our hope for what HP once was, we stayed on far too long. It was an abusive relationship and we stayed in it. Now it is very easy to see the lies and manipulation. The site is now totally unprofessional. No standards to the great of journalism in U.S. history. Just rag now that bends everything to get ad revenue clicks. I am so done with that hell hole now. We now have to push on and make ET the New HP and eat their lunch! What they did to us was down right down right criminal. I now see it as a badge of honor that they banned me as an Enemy of the Corporate State!

        Hitler Learns Arianna Huffington Has Made Everyone Join Facebook to Be Able to Post Comments!
        http://tinyurl.com/kps8qy8

        • forpeace

          That headline caught my eyes, that’s why I became curious to read the actual article, and then I realized how manipulated the news media can be, I was just mad and laughing at the same time.

          Of course, that was not new to me!!

  • forpeace

    This is a MUST read, very sad, indeed:

    The Bone-Chilling, Heart-Wrenching Process Of Counting The Nation’s Homeless

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/31/3228931/homeless-census-2/

    • OnyxE

      I can’t believe they left a man not knowing if he was alive or dead and not knowing when the ‘hypothermia van’ might get to him. Why bother with first aid and CPR courses when you just walk off and leave someone. Honest to effing pete.

      “Slowly, we walked off. Maybe he was alive. We all knew he might not be.”

      • forpeace

        Exactly, totally agree with you, I could not believe it either!

        I was in the similar situation few years ago, I was driving with a friend in the car, while stopping at red light we noticed the homeless person down on the ground, I polled over, called 911, and stayed with him the entire time.

        • allison1050

          Good for you forepeace and I thank you for staying with him.

          • forpeace

            Hello, allison, I didn’t do anything special, that is what any human would do, but sadly some people fail to do so.

          • allison1050

            I’ll tell you forpeace, it’s not about saying anything it’s your presence that counts. I spent the last 13 years of my work life working in nursing and as a result being with people while they were frightened, ill or dying is whats important. It’s just you being with them and no words are needed :-) .

          • forpeace

            Yes, you are correct, allison.

            You must be a wonderful person/nurse doing your job taking care of people in need, and thank you for that.

          • allison1050

            When I was still working I tried to be nice and understanding and prayed for patience.

          • forpeace

            You’re the BEST! ;-)

          • allison1050

            Thank you and so are you for staying with the person.

          • forpeace

            ;-)

          • HamletsMill

            Every Blessing of the Universe upon you! Light upon Light!

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M104_ngc4594_sombrero_galaxy_hi-res.jpg

          • allison1050

            Thanks Ham.

          • HamletsMill

            Melanie Safka Lay Down (Candles In The Rain)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJp7zbjn7Wo

            The country was once on the right track! We must remember…

          • Cynthia W.

            One of my favorites. Saw Melanie in concert a long time ago in Morristown

          • rg9rts

            Joisey?

          • Cynthia W.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_English_dialects

            Contrary to popular belief, almost no one in New Jersey refers to the state as Joisey. The pronunciation, which this stereotype is based on, is residual in the New York Dialect as described above.

          • rg9rts

            Nu Yawk as a Yawker I nose hows dey speak

          • DTVM

            LOL!

            No Man Is An Island

          • rg9rts

            Jeet yet?

          • HamletsMill

            No! ju? Pure Pittsburgh!

            The more purer exchange is: “Jeet? Ju?”

          • rg9rts

            We’ll learn dem

          • rg9rts

            You know the mods are talking to themselves LOL

          • TapestryMood

            Oh, youse guys;-)

          • rg9rts

            Didja check da tu udda jernts?? Public house and Happy hour?

          • TapestryMood

            Yep…bet’cha I know you will frequent Agora and Happy Hour the most?
            Seems like that’s the way you roll;-)

          • rg9rts

            Public house too..
            got any papers I’m sending Marissa on a road trip to see you

          • TapestryMood

            ?? She’s heading to Florida, isn’t she? LOL..Gawd..don’t let her meet my sister..((SHUDDER));-)

          • rg9rts

            No to you.

          • TapestryMood

            Which poster has had the car trouble…that’s the one I am thinking of..so, guess I was wrong….Where does Marissa live? What devious machinations are you up to, Cookie;-)

          • rg9rts

            Cali For Marissa. I’ve been helping my friend on his van for four days finally got it towed

          • TapestryMood

            OK..I do remember that, now…have had a pinched nerve for several days (shoulder up through neck, face, etc) so haven’t been functioning *brain wise*..terrible headaches from it, too
            You talking about *rolling paper* or money?
            The Pontiac you were dealing with for inspections, is ok, now?
            YOU take care of yourself, ya hear..no more sciatica nerve pain needed!!

          • HeyJude

            Hi Tap…that would be Lindstr….she’s on her way to Fla. from CA., but hit trouble in AZ. She was actually loving the break in AZ last I heard, and taking the time to breathe and relax. She sent me gorgeous pictures of the landscapes, I was sooooooooooo jealous! The Subaru was supposed to be ready yesterday…so hopefully she’ll let us know where she lands next. She has her dog with her, sounds like such a fun adventure. :-)

          • TapestryMood

            Psssttt….who are your wenches…inquiring minds want to know: -)

          • rg9rts

            Reeeooo 25 sammy25 TD, Lally

          • TapestryMood

            Are they still at HP? You trying for a *break out* ?;-)

          • rg9rts

            Sammy is at Public house already have to tell Reeeooo yet malta 123 is there, It is a brit site. My site will be known as the outhouse

          • TapestryMood

            :-D Possibly, you are speaking the *trut*;-)
            Glad you are finding your friends!

          • 25sammy25

            LOL rg – I’m always at the Pub, although TT. Yes dear friend, I have been neglecting you but will reply tomorrow. Promise. xoxoxoxo

          • rg9rts

            Wench!

          • 25sammy25

            Moi rg – only your wench !! xoxoxoxox

          • rg9rts

            You are all over the place xoxoxo
            You told Reeeooo?

          • 25sammy25

            Yes, my master – I have given her the link !! lol. !! xoxoxoxox

          • rg9rts

            See you at the pub

          • rg9rts

            Look below this post a couple

          • TapestryMood

            Yes..I saw…so many sites/threads, so little time:-)

          • DTVM

            Yes, I did; and youse are too, too much! ;-)

            No Man Is An Island

          • HamletsMill

            The woman that I was in business with in 2006 that I spoke about in that long post, used to run with her in London in the late 60′s. She had some very, very interesting Melanie stories!

          • allison1050

            Ham, do you know that you just took me back to when I was 20, residing in Berkeley (formerly known as Berzerkly) to my oh so misguided youth? Thank you for the tune.

          • HamletsMill

            “People’s Republic of Berkley”! High energy! Back in those days everyone was thinking! Everyone was sharing what they had learned in their vast Cosmic Spiritual searches for whatever time left they had in this incarnation! For me, being of military draft age, facing the prospect of violent battlefield death at the age of 20 for no real purpose other than the war profits of the MIC and their Wall Street bankers concentrated the mind wonderfully on the Cosmic Planetary issues… What a long, strange, trip it’s been!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjzZh6-h9fM

            I guess this is where we all are now in life? But at least we can communicate!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa_Rnwi-Gjo

          • allison1050

            ah yes Ham, I can remember at age 13 seeing the 1st war protester standing alone at a rr crossing by himself, he never spoke to any one, nobody knew where he was from or how he found out what day or time the troop trains would be going by. I knew the young men waving at me had no idea where Viet Nam even was…so sad because I knew even then.
            I’ll just say that some of us can communicate and I’ve have been remembering Provo Park and all of the then unknown bands that used to play on Sunday afternoon’s in Berkeley. A long strange trip indeed!

          • HamletsMill

            Just woke up after falling asleep for five hours! I have to be getting the flu. Completely washed out. Pounding headache. Feel like absolute s***! One of those times where “I’ll lay down for ten minutes…” turns into zoneification to Dreamland.

            I picked that famous closing Hendrix clip from Woodstock by just feeling, but I see from the comments that it truly has become an iconic lamentation for all that was lost from the Era. This is a profound comment someone left:

            “This performance was a perfect Hendrix’ premonition. He brought us what
            the entire future would be, at least until today, the empty route of art
            and the maximum will of change the world based on love, the search for
            the charmed life in communion, in community.
            The utopian vision,
            which was then put into practice by calling for the heart, is now
            definitely off. That experience is ever discontinued.

            Today humanity
            is faced with the urgent need for fellowship, life in community , and
            before herself, the Humankind has only herself to face, without gods,
            without dreams. In sum, something that is no longer an enchanted dream,
            but it must become just a real plan.
            Mis besos.

            obs: please, forgive my poor English”

            Why did people give up trying to live in the Great Mystery of Life? Why did they settle to live in black and white instead of color? What shall now be our fate?

            The energy of the 60′s was a profound Cosmic Event. The Meaning is still out there. By seeing this clip I see the guy in the beginning with the scraf tied at his knee! I had forgotten that look!

            Two guys from my band back in the 70′s and 80′s want me to start to sit in with them in their new band as I have been saying on here. I have not played with them since 1986. Haven’t played my guitar since 1998.

            My old drummer’s wife texted me last week that she wants me to come over and play “Girl From the North Country” for her. She said it is in the movie “Silver Linings Playbook” and she thought of me. We used to play it back in the Day.

            Girl From the North Country – Bob Dylan and Johnny Cash
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyN-ya3rCPw

            Maybe start to build a set with this next?

            She Belongs to Me – Bob Dtlan 1965
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8obD19fhM

            If I do it, maybe tie a scarf around my right knee! Start to bring back that look? I guess I should at least start to go over to their house see what happens? Get back into form. Go out of this life with my amp back on 10. It is stating to become a very attractive idea.

          • allison1050

            Ham, I say dig out that old bandana or go buy a new one and go sit in! I think I would be fabulous when you get back and tell me all about it. After Rachael Maddow’s show tonight I’ll listen to them and many thanks to you for the links…ahh memory lane. Now you’ve made me remember the Filmore West and Graham’s beautiful shows.
            Are you the person who borrowed my Filmore posters?

          • HamletsMill

            Not me but maybe I should have! Wow! You got me looking around on YouTube! Beautiful tone on that Les Paul back in the Day!

            Peter Green’s Fleetwood Mac Live Fillmore West 04/01/70
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9H58wGhzSc

          • allison1050

            Go for it Ham! And I wanna pic of you with your bandana either around your leg or your head, my pick is the leg. Thanks for the Filmore link I need this.

          • HamletsMill

            OK. For the sake of the Fillmore West, I have to try to get back into Rock and Roll form. It may take some time. But I will start to lean this way. Pick up my guitar every day now and start to run through some songs. The sign that I am ready will be that I will send you a photo of a bandanna tied to my pants at my knee! Where can I get a pair of bell bottom pants these days for an even nicer touch?

            I love how they are doing this! I have to try to get my chops back to get back up with them!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5IVuN1N6-Y

          • allison1050

            I can hardly wait Ham! I can see your fingers strumming now while a wearing a blue and white bandana. The only problem will be the bell bottoms and if you can solve that problem then you’re going to need a suede vest.
            Thanks for the link!

          • HamletsMill

            Looks like Bell Bottoms are coming back! But not even Robert Plant was this skinny back then in the “andro” look? But, on second thought, he WAS!

            http://stylepantry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/sp-bell-bottom-jeans-4.jpg

            http://stylepantry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/sp-bell-bottom-jeans-2.jpg

            It would be very good for me if I could get very thin again. It would help my health. So I guess I am going to have to shoot for that too! I think I am three or four years older than you. I am starting to feel age for the first time. Getting as thin as a rail would help me improve. Looks like I am going to do that too! Rock and Roll requires strength!

            How they are doing “Love the One Your With” will get me back to it. My old drummer is a great Trap Set drummer. He is also great on his big set of Congas. What they are doing now is his now grown Son comes up from the crowd and plays Congas on it too. So they are getting two rhythms going that intertwine off of each other. It is just wonderful in how they are doing it!

            Another more syncopated version!
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLTdRqYwzXQ

            Shades of Berkeley ’68-’78 kicking in! I am loving it!

          • allison1050

            Dammmn!! I still hear it Ham!! I’m loving it also! A BIG THANK YOU!!

            Ham’s THE man!!!

          • allison1050

            Love the one you’re with!! I was dancing in my chair since I haven’t had my 1st cup of java, I didn’t want to fall over!

          • rg9rts

            Check DOD sites in your search

          • Cynthia W.

            Amen !!!

          • allison1050

            So Cynthia, you remember back in the day also I take it? :-)

          • DTVM

            Truer words were never spoken, Allison. Fom your words in the above
            post alone you prove yourself an exemplary nurse — and beyond that, a most empathetic and wonderful woman.

            As a physician who has worked with all kinds of nurses, I know every person you cared for was very lucky to have you and that many of
            of them must have realized it and told you so. You are blessed, and I salute you!

            No Man Is An Island

          • allison1050

            Thank you so much No Man for saying that, most don’t even see us as even being there. Thank you again.

          • No Man Is An Island

            You’re entirely welcome, Allison. It’s an honor and a pleasure to
            meet you here. Nurses are an integral part of the healing profession and often save patient’s lives — and doctors’ skins — from iatrogenic
            errors (and as you know, “iatrogenic” means caused by doctors,
            too many of whom are not up to snuff, to put it politely!).

            Any physician or other medical professional who doesn’t see nurses “as even being there” is one I wouldn’t want to associate with if I had a choice.

          • allison1050

            I’ve always had what I thought of as a healthy fear of doctors. My main fear used to be new grad nurses–the pits. They think they know everything since the ink is still drying on their license, I sometimes took great pleasure in teaching them what they could do themselves before calling a doctor in the middle of the night.
            Between the 2 of us, I once made a doctor assist with cleaning and changing his patient and changing the bed linen, her feed tube had come out. He told me after that he was happy for the experience and that he had learned more about what it takes to care for patients. High praise indeed!

          • No Man Is An Island

            Hi, Allison, I’m back again and with the screen name I’ve reclaimed
            with my good friend forpeace’s invaluable help!

            You may or may not wonder how I knew you to be an exemplary
            nurse, as I wrote above; but I felt it from your first post — when you
            thanked forpeace for stopping to help the homeless person on the
            ground and waiting until help arrived.

            So I wasn’t surprised in the least to read about the lesson you taught the doctor in literally down and dirty and compassionate care of his patient! Kudos to you for thinking of doing it, and my compliments to him for having the sensitivity and humility to assist you and learn from the experience. He did give you high praise, and you deserved every bit of it and realized it as well — although your innate modesty would have prompted you to make little of it.

            All physicians should have similar epiphanies with nurses like you as
            part of their training, and it should start in medical school.

            Of course I can say now without the slightest fear of contradiction
            that you’re not only an exemplary nurse but a paragon in the nursing profession as well. And I use the present tense knowing full well you wrote “I spent the last 13 years of my work life working in nursing….” But just as there’s no such thing as a retired Marine, I believe there’s no such thing as a retired nurse. Once a nurse, ALWAYS a nurse!

          • allison1050

            Morning No Man! I’m the one who was famous for asking Certified Nursing Assistants, while working in nursing homes, if they still had a grandmother/father, so therefore picture them in that resident bed and treat them as if they were indeed their grandmother/father since all of us will 1 day need help some sooner some later.
            I hate to say this but there was a well known doctor (who’s name I unfortunately can’t remember) who also wrote fiction. He would make all of his students hop up on an exam table to that they could place their feet in the stirrups! He wanted everyone in particular the males, to realize how helpless and exposed women felt during their exam. I laughed so hard when I heard him talk about doing this.
            Are you still in practice doctor? How did you get your former screen name back? Mine used to be tense641 and somehow or other Disqus dug up this old name. I tried merging the 2 but was unsuccessful and finally gave up after a moderator tried to help also with no success so now I’m staying with this long forgotten name.

          • No Man Is An Island

            Evening, Allison — or should I say “tense641?” I’m sorry I couldn’t
            get back to you until now.

            It’s really fascinating to read of your very practical teaching methods and your experiences, such as being told by the wise doctor how he put his students into the stirrups. Even the most empathetic male student would benefit from literally putting himself in a woman’s position that way; and, believe it or not, I wouldn’t have minded having done it had an OB/Gyn professor or instructor told us to! I’ve been retired for the last several years.

            I got my screen name back when forpeace, a very dear fiend of mine
            from HP days, suggested I go to my Disqus profile, click on “edit profile,” change “allison1050″ to ” tense641″ or whatever else you
            want, and then click on “save changes” at the bottom of the screen — you may have to scroll down to see it. It’s as simple as that.

            I can’t guarantee it will work, especially if someone else is already
            using the screen name you want to change to. That’s why I couldn’t use “No Man Is An Island” when I first registered on Disqus, as someone else had already taken it. But since I was able to change to it last Friday, I assume it had become available again.

            Good luck in changing your screen name, and please let me know
            how you do!

          • allison1050

            Evening No Man, :D someone else made the same suggestion you did a couple of weeks ago and I tried it then and discovered that somehow or other they have my FB name, how that happened I don’t know but they also have a name that I used to use 5 yrs. ago and haven’t used since. I’ll just stick with this one–no stress in just keeping it.
            Anyway, how are you enjoying your retirement? Mine was “forced” but already had realized that I wouldn’t have been able to make it to 66 or even 65 for that matter. Once I got over being angry I skipped right into early retirement as if I had planned it and have been able to do what I most enjoy–reading.

          • No Man Is An Island

            Thanks for letting me know, Allison. I guess that’s it then — I
            don’t know of any other way to do it, except to get in touch with management at Disqus as a last resort. At least you don’t mind
            sticking with what you have, even if it’s not what you really want.

            I’m doing well in my retirement, thank you. I have a lot of interests outside of medicine, including vigorous aerobic exercise (in sports,
            not simply exercise for its own important sake), an active interchange of ideas with several close friends via e-mails, participating here and on a few other blogs, and what I most enjoy, too, reading — although
            I don’t get to read nearly as much as I’d like!

          • allison1050

            Morning No Man, I can’t seem to tear myself away from reading but I did used to exercise. I used to love dancing flamenco but no longer…I have arthritis in one foot so now I enjoy just watching on youtube.

          • No Man Is An Island

            Morning, Allison. I have no sense of rhythm at all and therefore
            can’t dance at all or play a musical instrument well, but nevertheless
            I have a very keen appreciation of dance and music as a watcher and listener. And you may be interested to know flamenco is my favorite dance form!

            I’m sorry you can’t dance it any more, but I hope your arthritis doesn’t keep you from getting enough exercise in other ways — you surely know its importance as well as I do.

          • allison1050

            I know you’re right about exercising, I have to go a mall to walk since it’s usually boiling hot in Nv., when I lived in San Francisco and Berkeley I used to walk just about everywhere, so much to see on foot! Have a great day No Man and will see you around the threads!

          • No Man Is An Island

            I’m glad to hear you are exercising.

            Have a great day, too, Allison — and see you later!

          • allison1050

            Talk to you later No Man.

          • allison1050

            I sent a reply to you and it seems to have evaporated!!

          • DTVM

            Good afternoon, my good friend.

            The people who fail to do so appear to be human beings, but they
            are really “HINO” — Human In Name Only. :-(

            No Man Is An Island

          • forpeace

            Oh what a pleasant surprise!!!

            I’m so happy to see you my good friend.

          • DTVM

            Thank you, and you know I’m always happy to see you — look > : ) !

            No Man Is An Island

      • allison1050

        THAT’S the line that pissed me off! Why even bother to go out if they were going to ask a pile of blankets 3xs if s/he was alright and in the end with no response not even check! Even if the person was alive s/he may have been slipping away but I’m certain they feel like they did their Christian duty and felt good about themselves when they went home. With volunteers like that they would have done better just staying home but then they wouldn’t get that special feeling. You don’t know jacksh*t if you don’t look! Sorry for my rant OnyxE

        • Cynthia W.

          I would have gotten them to a safe place somehow–even my car with the heat on.. I know that you would have done the same.

    • No Man Is An Island

      I read this just now, forpeace — unbelievable!

      And if you haven’t noticed it yet, thanks to you I have my screen name back! And
      please let me know if you haven’t yet read my paen of praise to you for your invaluable
      help in the process — I’ll repost it to you!

  • OnyxE

    Tech question: Why can’t I comment on sites using my facebook log in anymore?? My photo is there but when I click comment nothing happens. This is VERY irritating because I can’t even comment on local news sites.

    • forpeace

      Sorry, Onyx, I’m not really good with tech questions!

    • Ian_Llanganagain

      Not sure if this is germane to the discussion or not but… I went to one site that uses DisQus whilst already logged on here. It was asking me to log on AGAIN there. Re-loaded that page a couple of times and suddenly boom it showed me as logged on/active on DisQus. could just be a glitchy site?

      • OnyxE

        I don’t think that’s it here; this has been going on more than a week and happens on sites that use facebook log ins. The irritating thing is I look at my profile on these sites and they should have a hotmail address for my FB account but they have yahoo and when I try to put the correct hotmail address they say it’s already taken…well yeah, taken by me supposedly.

        • Ian_Llanganagain

          How often have you performed the big dump and clear-out of your browser cache, cookie history etc? Sounds like that could be the root of your issues. That and possibly needing a cold-start on your ‘puter afterwards…

          • OnyxE

            How often should I clear cookies etc? I think I did it within the last month.

          • Cynthia W.

            I do mine everyday using Ccleaner.

          • Ian_Llanganagain

            Daily please. 2x if you are an Internetaddict.

      • Cynthia W.

        Disqus was a bit glitchy for me as well today.

        • rg9rts

          gl or b??

          • Cynthia W.

            Either will do !!

          • rg9rts

            Frisky today, must be the wekend

          • Cynthia W.

            I’m always “frisky”. Check out the definition of a Jersey Girl:

            Everyone Loves A Jersey Girl

            “The Jersey girl..a love of an unpretentious good time, and a certain sense of style. Jersey girls are about attitude. They’re about eating pizza, drinking beer, having great hair – and enjoying it all. She’s got a mouth on her. She says what she means. And she’s got a nice, cheerful laugh..Bottom line, all of them are sexy as hell.”

            -The Star Ledger

          • HamletsMill

            And they are always in love with Frank! Just take them on a visit to Hoboken and they are good to go!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3-2Z2rmG0w

          • Cynthia W.

            Actually, I was in love with Frank—Not that one, but my soul mate.

          • HamletsMill

            Very good then!

          • HamletsMill

            Tilly has sent you an Electronic Card! I tried to shoo her from the keyboard when I caught her there but when she is determined to do something she does it!

            http://tinyurl.com/nhfadge

          • Cynthia W.

            OMG. I just found this !!! This is so funny. Tilly is amazing. Thank you–you made my day !!!

        • jbiot

          Ditto Cyn.
          ***
          When Disqus has a glitch my fingers then itch,
          and when my fingers itch I then start to twitch,
          and the “A” that I hit,
          becomes “Z” in a bit,
          and then I just scream: “ain’t Disqus a bit*h.”
          *** :)

      • rg9rts

        I get annoyed defrag and reboot

        • Cynthia W.

          You must be the most defragged person I know LOL !!

          • rg9rts

            What ever works. Other wise It gets very very slow. Not much memory, like its user

  • Gin1234

    Just testing the word suicide, a word that was contained in the text in the article to see why my comment was removed on another thread.

    • forpeace

      Good question, you can ask one of mods, Gin.

    • rg9rts

      I’ve had some completely disappear. What is so bad about asking where the happy hour room is????

      • GidonBelmaker

        Nothing bad about that. Here it is http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/480664-happy-hour/

        It is possible someone flagged to to get our attention to the question, which will make it disappear

        • rg9rts

          Okay you’re covered back to nap time

        • rg9rts

          We do have to educate you mods on breeds of cats. There are many cat people here and Mainecoon in two words is a breed of cat. Very large with males weighing in at 25 pounds and often polydactyl. So in the early am when the cat chatter is going on it is not a racial slur. What do you think doggie people call female dogs???? my favorite name for my ex

        • jbiot

          Hi Gidon. What do you think about publishing those words that tickle the word filter? It would be interesting to know. I once had a problem with the word “chi*k” as in “chi*k in the armor”. I guess the word filter does not know context.

          • GidonBelmaker

            I once almost went blind reading that list. We’ll discuss internally and get back to you. basically it is all the bad words and their variations. Context is still a big part of knowing the true meaning of a word, and no computer yet understands friendly banter or irony.

  • forpeace

    This is a really interesting article:

    The Inside Story Of The Charlatan Who Duped The Nation’s Top Conservatives

    Who Is Frank Bates?
    “Communist food brainwashing,” Frank Bates solemnly warns us, “is infecting America.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2014/01/30/3134851/conservatives-food4patriots/

    • Ian_Llanganagain

      Shhh, don’t tell anyone. The more “age 55+ white conservative males living in red states” buy this nonsense (@ 4x+ the original price) the less money they have to throw at TeaBorg political campaigns. So lovely to hear they are getting hosed by their own paranoia.

      • forpeace

        Don’t worry, the majority of that crowd are not even capable of reading, or even comprehending my comment. ;-)

        • jbiot

          They read Leviticus.

          • OneOtherPerson

            They have Glen Beck read it to them.

          • rg9rts

            In the original Latin

          • jbiot

            Not on your life!

          • OneOtherPerson

            in tongues

          • rg9rts

            Tongue twister

          • forpeace

            Or Half Governor.

          • jbiot

            He reads?

          • forpeace

            That’s Half Governor’s expertise!! lol

            Then, she would call it another Jesus Moment.

          • jbiot

            When did the 1/2 term gov ever have a Jesus moment? Maybe when she was mutilating wolves? Or maybe when Todd was collecting money from the GAFIPAE (Greater Alaskan Free Insurance Plan For All Eskimos) for his root canal.

          • forpeace

            Don’t you remember back in 2012 when Half Governor said:

            Sep 22, 2012 – America needs a “Come to Jesus” moment and the Romney- Ryan ticket needs to deliver it.

            She might have used the same prayer when First Dude aka Todd Palin was trying to help Alaska to secede from union.

          • jbiot

            Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection of her using that phrase in the campaign. Look how well that went! :)

            I also remember that her drooling sock puppet of a husband belonged to some secession cult that should have been an embarrassment during the campaign. I can’t remember if the story had any legs.

          • forpeace

            Back in 2009, CBS released a series of emails between Palin and McCain strategist Steve Schmidt that happened during the campaign. Half Governor saw a CNN story with a subtitle “The Palins and the Fringe,” that detailed her connections with the Alaskan Independence Party, a statewide political party that advocates for Alaskans to take a vote about whether they want to secede from the union. Todd Palin was a registered member of the party from 1995-2002. The Half Governor herself had delivered opening remarks via videotape to their convention in 2008.

          • jbiot

            Thanks for that background fp. Go Todd I say.

            It’s kind of too bad that the Alaskan Independence Party hasn’t been successful yet. I for one am rootin’ for them. 2 Senators from AK = 2 from CA! I think not.

    • jbiot

      A quote from Baler in the article reads: “I just love the freedom of being able to make a nice income, to make a nice business and just be, basically, myself.”

      Sure, if you’re selling something to delusional and paranoid conservatives who will buy anything if it feeds their delusions about minorities or government then life is sweet.

      But hey, if you can make a living from it, why not!!

      Here’s an idea. Everyone knows that Sharia Law is coming soon to these shores and it will enslave the children of anyone who believes in baby Jesus. I know this because Michele Bachmann has told us. So why not a Sharia Law hat, probably patentable. It would have a razor like point, two high intensity LEDs, attach with a strap around the chin, and be made of .089 cold rolled steel. The LEDs would flash an encrypted emergency code to armed back up and the precision ground point would be a weapon of last resort if the godless Sharia fanatics get past your armed back up. Marissa Emily’s husband could do the milling.

      Could be hot on QVC. A sure thing!

      $19.95.

      Lets all sing: “I just love the freedom of being able to make a nice income, to make a
      nice business and just be, basically, myself.”

      • HamletsMill

        And maybe have these in these in the catalog too…just say’in!

        http://www.buzzfeed.com/copyranter/your-official-ku-klux-klan-robe-catalog

        • jbiot

          LOL on the freakin’ floor.

          What better place. I’m in. Maybe market it too on the CA public square as a toque.

      • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

        “One size fits all” to underscore the message?

        • jbiot

          Yes. Unisex too, and sized to fit any head from normal up to RW size, typically large on the outside but pretty small on the inside.

          We’re marketing geniuses!

      • forpeace

        Thank you for the excellent comment, jbiot.

        • jbiot

          Thank you for the great share fp; quite a read. Still LOL.

          • forpeace

            You’re very welcome!

            I am still laughing too! lol

          • jbiot

            It might take me through the whole day grinning ear to ear.

    • geezer 56

      I have to admit to a grudging affection for charlatans and snake-oil salesmen. Sure, they take advantage of the ill-informed, reactionary masses–but in some ways, maybe that’s not so very different from selling gold-plated coins depicting the Twin Towers or hawking nutritional supplements of dubious value. He makes a buck, and it keeps his customers busy cataloging their hoards and off the streets where they could get into trouble.

      Great article, BTW.

      • forpeace

        Hello, geezer, yes, I believe that is very good article.

      • jbiot

        Good afternoon geezer.

        Isn’t Arianna in this same category, a mix of snake oil, bread and circuses? She makes a buck and her customers keep feeding at the trough.

        • geezer 56

          “Her customers keep feeding at the trough”: Not all of them! ;)

          • jbiot

            Right you are. I stand corrected.

  • forpeace

    I’m not into sending online cards, but I can post my card right here:

    °*°*❤ ˚°*★★*˚°。°*­°*★*˚°。
    *° The Epoch Times *°
    Moderators and Techs °*
    *°*°* thank you for °*°*°
    *°*°* Being so Nice *°*°*
    °*­★*˚°。°*。°*­★°*°*❤ ˚°*★

    Also today, Friday, January 31 is Chinese New Year 2014

    (¯`v´¯)
    *`·.¸.·´ ¸.*´¸.· *¨). ¸.·*¨)
    . . (¸.*´ (¸.*´ .·´.·¨. . ♥
    Happy New Year!!

    I think that will do for me!! ;-)

    • allison1050

      x’s 2

    • danforth79

      Happy New Year, Honey.

      • forpeace

        It is not my New Year, but I like to celebrate other nations New Years!! ;-)

        • danforth79

          It’s always five o’clock somewhere….

          • forpeace

            Yes, or in this case 7 minutes after 3:00 AM in Beijing!

        • danforth79

          Or midnight, if you can wait.

    • Greta42

      I like it! Nicely done, forpeace.

      • forpeace

        Hello dearest, Greta, thank you, and lovely to see you.

  • VietVet67
    • epazote

      Ann Romney decided to be “polite and nice” when expressing how “America lost” by not electing her husband President ?
      Seems he’s unable to dismount from that prancing high horse she rode while on the campaign trail

      • forpeace

        Ann Romney had so many shining moments, but I will never forget these top 4 famous ones:

        - My biggest Fear is for Mitt’s “Mental Well-Being.”
        - I Don’t Consider Myself Wealthy.
        - You People, STOP it.
        - It is OUR turn.

        • epazote

          .

          • forpeace

            It is hard to read your “.” comment! ;-)

          • epazote

            Your comment left nothing more to say about *those people*
            I will tell you, they aren’t very popular with their neighbors on Dundemere Lane in San Diego (La Jolla is not a city, it’s a beach community in the city of San Diego)

          • forpeace

            Yes, I read few articles about how UNPopular they are in that area.

            Being self-centered with a sense of entitlement has some serious consequences.

        • DTVM

          Spot on, forpeace. With these great sayings to her credit, I’m thinking
          of nominating Ann Romney to be the Gandhi of the GOP (or not)! ;-)

          No Man Is An Island

          • forpeace

            Or, maybe ………. GoteaP’s Mother Teresa! LOL

          • DTVM

            …And why not? LOL

            No Man Is An Island

          • forpeace

            Did you see my reply to you up there regarding your original username?

          • DTVM

            No, I haven’t seen it. Can you guide me to it?

            No Man Is An Island

          • forpeace

            Here, I post that again:

            I believe you can log into the Disqus Dashboard website, go to your profile, edit profile, and you will be able to enter your original user name “No Man Is An Island” as your full name.

            http://disqus.com/dashboard/#account

          • No Man Is An Island

            Oh – -My–God, forpeace! If I weren’t in your eternal debt before, I certainly am now! I can hardly believe it worked!!!

            When I registered for Disqus years ago, I was told “No Man Is An
            Island” was taken already and I would have to choose another screen
            name, so I thought it was hopeless.

            With all the time you will have saved me, just think of how much more
            effectively I can use my time when commenting via Disqus!

            And BTW: Thank you, thank you, thank YOU!
            :-) , :-p, :-P , :-D !!!!!!!!!

        • Greta42

          Those were the most memorable, forpeace – and she said them with so much pomposity it just added to the obnoxiousness. Gives us another reason to be grateful that Michelle is still first lady.

          • forpeace

            Hear, hear!!

            That poor woman Ann, I kind of felt sorry for her, but not any more.

      • DTVM

        Zing, epazote, but “Oblivious” Ann would never feel the sting. She would
        have to have a heart to feel it! ;-)

        No Man Is An Island

    • HamletsMill

      These people are beyond tone deaf. Absolutely clueless.

  • Cynthia W.

    Ok, friends. The card has been sent. You can view it here:

    http://www.123greetings.com/send/view/01331014310828017337

    • forpeace

      Nice card, Cynthia, job well done. I love the music.

    • OnyxE

      That’s lovely, thanks for doing that and including everyone.

      • Cynthia W.

        I HAVE to include everyone–after all, we’re all a community =^..^=

    • Canukistani

      Wonderful! Well done!

    • Greta42

      Lovely, Cynthia – a job well done. Thank you for your efforts.

    • Winky Cat

      Nice! Thanks for thinking of sending a card Cynthia.

      • HamletsMill

        x2

    • Classical_Gas

      Lovely! Thanks, Cynthia!

    • geezer 56

      Tried to see it–but it said I couldn’t because it had exceeded the view limit. Was that a card for ET?

      • Cynthia W.

        Yes. Go down the thread and you can see what it says

        • geezer 56

          Thanks, Cyn!

  • forpeace

    GOP Prepares To Take Economy Hostage Unless Democrats Vote To Raise Obamacare Premiums

    One more time, House Republicans are floating a strategy to raise the nation’s debt ceiling for one year in exchange for a repeal of Obamacare’s so-called “risk corridors” — a temporary financial shock absorber that the GOP is misleadingly castigating as an “insurance company bailout.”
    But make no mistake — this is a provision whose ultimate goal is to protect American consumers from potential premium increases, not to give insurers a handout. And the GOP has pushed the exact same “bailouts” on other occasions, including for the Medicare Part D prescription drug program for seniors.

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/01/31/3234491/house-gop-economy-hostage-risk-corridors/

    • DTVM

      I think we and many others may never “see” again lost fans and friends from HP,
      but what a thrill it is to see your eye-catching avatar on ET and know you’ve resumed
      your position as the alarum bell ringer to warn us of the latest nefarious GOP plots
      to eviscerate the ACA and destroy democracy!

      I won’t say it feels like old times again, because it feels like new and BETTER times!

      No Man Is An Island

      • forpeace

        Oh …….. thank you so much, DTVM, greatly appreciate it.

        I believe you can log into the Disqus Dashboard website, go to your profile, edit profile, and you will be able to enter your original user name “No Man Is An Island” as your full name.

        http://disqus.com/dashboard/#account

  • Haruko Haruhara

    Utah school district puts two employees on leave for taking food away from kids.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/30/utah-kids-in-tears-after-school-seizes-and-tosses-out-40-lunches-over-debt/

    • rg9rts

      No money no eatie old Utah proverb.

    • HamletsMill

      There are plenty of “Merkins” that would gladly staff the FEMA Concentration Camps! Same old, same old.

    • eyelashviper

      This is a perfect justification for bringing back stocks to the public square.
      These two should be held up to public ridicule for such behavior.

      • Greta42

        Tar and feathers too.

        • eyelashviper

          And a big A carved on their foreheads for “asshat”.

  • Fattonecat
    • AskandTell

      She is deplorable…Republicans are like people who belong to a cult. Their sense of right and wrong is skewed; lying is justified for their cause.

      • Fattonecat

        Unfortunately she’s my Rep……ugh

  • Haruko Haruhara

    George Zimmerman says he will box “anyone” to raise money for “charity” (*cough* *cough* his legal bills)

    Here’s hoping that “anyone” turns out to be Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/31/george-zimmerman-willing-to-fight-anyone-even-black-people-in-celebrity-boxing-match/

    • epazote

      The rapper “Game” has challenged Zimmerman to get into the ring with him.

    • Canukistani

      Does he say he’ll leave his gun at home?

    • forpeace

      Was he able to sell his paining on eBay?! lol

    • eyelashviper

      Mike Tyson….he hasn’t bitten off any appendages in years.

  • OnyxE
    • geezer 56

      MFers!!!!

      • Cynthia W.

        It’s not approved yet.

        • OnyxE

          I am sure they will get it now. we are living in a time when too many people are too stupid and it will destroy us.

          • Cynthia W.

            Kerry is taking his time to “review it”. There’s a lot of petitions out there. Dare I hope?

          • eyelashviper

            yep, and if all else fails, time to resurrect a huge batallion of the Monkey Wrench Gang.

    • Unlisted2u

      Ya know, it’s not like there isn’t already a pipeline in place pumping this stuff to the gulf coast. Do people not realize this..?
      Why this MAJOR push to build a new pipeline through some of the most sensitive grasslands in the US.. AND over top of a very important aquifer as well..?
      The ONLY reasons I see all benefit the producer. HUGE tax writedown plus slightly increased profits from eliminating a few pumping stations..

      There is absolutely NO benefit for the people of the USA what so ever..!
      Even if the new extention is defeated and not built the tar sands bitumin is still going to end up at the Gulf coast refineries. It’s just going to cost the producer a bit more to get it there is all..
      I don’t believe ‘most people realize this either. Defeating the Keystone XL northern extention is NOT going to prevent the flow of this stuff from getting to our refineries. It merely forces the producer to use an already in place longer route is all..

      And btw: Ohai everyone.. :)

      • Cynthia W.

        OK Can you settle this? Is it kitty talk, or as they say “kitteh” talk?

        • Unlisted2u

          Depends..
          In the purest sense, ‘kittah’ is proper only in LOLspeak..
          Anywhere else it’s considered slang..

          • Cynthia W.

            When I had Google ig, I had the funny cat pictures, and recognized some of the words you use from them.

          • Unlisted2u

            :)

  • forpeace

    Scott DesJarlais complains that Religious Freedom Law allowed Mosque to build a cemetery!!

    That is coming from the anti-abortion guy who said: “All life should be cherished and protected. We are pro-life” while his own wife had 2 Abortions, and once urged a patient with whom he was having an affair to get an abortion.

    The mosque at the center of the controversy first gained widespread attention when residents attempted to block its construction, going so far as to set the site on fire. The mosque only managed to complete construction and open after a federal judge ordered residents to stand aside. The Murfreesburo site was just one of several Islamic centers in Tennessee subjected to arson and vandalism over the past five years.

    http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/01/30/3225551/desjarlais-mosque-cemetery/

    • AskandTell

      He doesn’t have a shot to be reelected so he can stop the dramatics for attention.

      • forpeace

        But, the poor guy can’t stop embarrassing himself!!

      • Robin S Summertown

        I wouldn’t bet against him getting back in. For some reason those people that voted him in have completely ignored these disclosures and are saying they will still vote for him.

        I know this because I just moved from TN and got to see first hand what his backers had to say. Stupid stuff, like he’s changed, he’s learned his lesson.

  • Cynthia W.

    Walmart complains profits are down because of Foodstamp cuts

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/31/walmart-warns-food-stamp-cuts-hurt-our-profits/

    • Greta42

      Just goes to show that the taxpayers subsidize big corporations more than we thought.

    • geezer 56

      “Walmart complains employees are starving due to food stamp cuts…”

  • AskandTell

    New York Times: Rockefeller Group dismisses Wolff Samson

    “…..Wolff Samson is the firm of embattled Christie ally David Samson, powerful chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

    “Given the investigation,” Dwayne Doherty, a spokesman for Rockefeller Group, told The New York Times, “we’ve decided to shift our work on the project to another firm.”

    Rockefeller Group said the allegations were “deplorable” if true…..”

    • Greta42

      So they’re suggesting that they didn’t know anything about it?

      • OneOtherPerson

        They’re suggesting “if you get caught, you get fired”
        They can handle corruption, but not incompetence.

        • Greta42

          Very well put! The old Mission Impossible statement.

      • AskandTell

        Pre-emptive move..they know the empire is crumbling today with Wildstein talking.

  • AskandTell

    David Wildstein is Talking – Christie Knew About Lane Closures

    The former Port Authority official who personally oversaw the lane closings on the George Washington Bridge in the scandal now swirling around Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said on Friday that the governor knew about the lane closings when they were happening, and that he had the evidence to prove it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/nyregion/christie-bridge.html?_r=0

    • TapestryMood

      Watch the dominoes begin to fall…an awesome chain reaction, I’m thinking;-)

    • BornOkayTheFirstTime

      Is that bacon I smell? Something’s getting cooked. . . .

      • TapestryMood

        Bacon and/or goose..it will happen;-)

        • Greta42

          That would be one large goose!

          • TapestryMood

            Going to have to *special order* the orange suit? :-)

          • Greta42

            Yup!

          • Canukistani

            Omar and sons need the work.

          • Greta42

            Hilarious!!

          • TapestryMood

            Hey….let’s get get a USA union shop to do it…with his stances on unions, pure poetic justice;-)

          • Canukistani

            I just hope there’s still one there that can handle such a big job on short notice.

          • TapestryMood

            LOL..But, unfortunately..this process will drag on for a LONG time…sigh…I am still furious we had China et al..again..do our Olympic outfits…argh.

          • Canukistani

            Yeah, that’s a real shame. You’d think that at least for something as special as that they could make sure that they used American products. Whoever made that decision should be really embarrassed.

          • TapestryMood

            I corrected my post..it was souvenirs that were discussed on the show I watched..not uniforms..I hate it when I post incorrect info;-(
            USA uniforms are from materials and labor in USA!!

          • Canukistani

            Not to worry, mistakes happen. Since the uniforms were made in China last time it was an easy conclusion to reach. The same thing happened here.

          • TapestryMood

            I know….I just want to throttle myself, though..LOL..I am glad (ugly as many are..oh, Ralph..augh, those sweaters) that both our nations realized they had really messed up in past Olympics!

          • Sarah Sahasbeen

            They could have asked Gildan to make them.

          • Greta42

            Where did you see that China made the outfits? I saw on the TV news that they were all made in AMerica by American designers.

          • Cynthia W.

            I didn’t hear about it either, but I’m going to look it up.

          • Canukistani

            Just did some checking and it appears that this time the uniforms are being made in the US. Last time they were made in China.

            The same thing happened to us too. Last time ours were made in China too, but there was such outrage over it that ours are made here this time around.

          • Cynthia W.

            http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865594805/Team-USA-Olympic-opening-ceremony-uniforms-unveiled-Thursday-get-mixed-reviews.html
            OK. The new 2014 uniforms were made in the USA, after an uproar over the 2012 uniforms. They were designed by Ralph Laren. The link has a picture. I’m not crazy about them, but at least they’re USA made

          • TapestryMood

            Thank you! You are correct..and I am correcting my post..I will never just take the word on someone’s talk show again..I think the confusion was over some souvenir gloves, etc….made in China..I will correct my post!!

          • Greta42

            No problem TM – I remember when I saw it I thought “Finally they got the message”. Then again, I couldn’t be certain after reading your post.

          • TapestryMood

            :-) I know..but, that’s why I corrected it after I had checked to be certain..so glad we can edit here;-P..

      • AskandTell

        “I was the class president and an athlete, I don’t know what David was doing.”

        He was probably planning his revenge since high school

    • forpeace

      After all, Chris Christie is NOT too big to fail, or too big to jail!!

      • FDRliberal

        Nice to see you outside the HP orbit my friend!

        • forpeace

          I just posted a WOW reply to your comment up there!!

          GREAT seeing you, FD.

      • Greta42

        Definitely Christie never foresaw this day coming – the hubris and arrogance comes back to take him down.

        • forpeace

          Yes, what goes around comes around.

          • BornOkayTheFirstTime

            And in his case, very ’round.

          • forpeace

            Too funny!! lol

    • Greta42

      Aha, he has acquired some kind of immunity in order to spill the beans on Christie – now let’s watch as the others follow suit.

      • eyelashviper

        “spilling the beans on Christie” conjures up a hilarious image…Christie whipping out his spoon, scarfing up the beans before they even land, then demanding more.

        • Greta42

          LOL! That image will stay with me for days – thanks eyelashviper.

      • AskandTell

        Wildstein is still fishing for immunity and wants the Port Authority to pay his attorney fees. His attorney is playing a dance as Bridget Kelly is the wildcard and he’s probably trying to save himself.

        • Cynthia W.

          That letter was all about the fees.

    • FDRliberal

      Wildstein is talking? In the words of Joe Biden – the is a big f’n deal.

      • forpeace

        Oh, FD, I had no idea you are here too!!!

        • FDRliberal

          Great seeing you…I see you are “private” so I cant follow you on Disqus, but I try to stop by here sometimes to hang with the HuffPo refugees…look fwd to talking soon

          • forpeace

            Yes, I decided to make my profile private just after first few hours being on Disqus, after dealing with CRAZIES on HP for more than 7 years, I have no more patience!! ;-)

            It is always nice to see you, have a lovely weekend.

      • Greta42

        LOL! Exactly what Joe would say!

    • Greta42

      Definitely will watch Rachel Maddow tonight – She will have all the details.

      • AskandTell

        Rachel always says Friday afternoons are when the big news events happen.

        • Greta42

          She is always correct on that – It seems for the last month, Friday afternoons are filled with interesting news.

          • AskandTell

            Think how quickly her staff must work to put together a show when news breaks less than five hours before she goes on the air. It must be exciting and crazy at the same time.

          • geezer 56

            I’ve always wanted to be a fly on the wall at her staff meetings. What an incredible bunch of people.

          • Greta42

            i’ve often thought about just that — She has hired excellent, intelligent staff to be able to work so well in such a short time. I bet it is exciting and crazy!

          • geezer 56

            What kills me is how they can take news that broke today and then, in her opening segment, Rachel gives the entire historical background behind it, complete with graphics and little-known facts–going back decades, sometimes! Blows my mind. I’ve never seen anything like it.

          • Greta42

            She is amazing with getting the facts in order.

        • OneOtherPerson

          And cocktail hour. Don’t forget the cocktails.

          • AskandTell

            Love her cocktails…Speaking of drinks….happy hour!

    • geezer 56

      Yeah, baby!

    • OneOtherPerson

      This will all blow over when the real scandal about Sandy relief funds hits the fan.
      I doubt Christie finishes his second term.

      • BornOkayTheFirstTime

        If this holds up, he probably won’t even finish the first year of his second term. Maybe we should start a block poll for his last day in office. Buy a date for $10. If you get it right you win the pot.

      • DTVM

        I agree with you; and if Christie had the slightest sense he’d realize the jig is
        finally up and resign NOW. The longer he takes, the worse it will be for him.
        No Man Is An Island

      • Greta42

        Can’t wait for that investigation’s report – It will blow him right out of the water.

      • No Man Is An Island

        I don’t think it will blow over — it will be another nail in Humpty-Christie’s
        political coffin and may well increase his well-deserved prison sentence.

        • Cynthia W.

          You got your name back. Congrats !!

          • No Man Is An Island

            Wow, Cynthia, just WOW — and thank you for noticing! Thanks to
            my very good friend forpeace’s instructions, I actually did. I had
            no idea it would create a stir, so to speak.

            Does this mean I can’t fly under the radar any longer? ;-)

          • Cynthia W.

            Nope. We are watching your every move now LOL !!

          • No Man Is An Island

            Oh my gauche, Cynthia! Now I’m going to really have to watch what
            I say and be extra careful not to make any spelling misteaks! ;-)

          • Cynthia W.

            Yes Errerrs are bad.

          • No Man Is An Island

            I aggrieve with you completely!

    • DTVM

      Humpty-Christie’s cast a great pall.
      Humpty-Christie’s due for a great fall.
      All the GOP’s forces and all the GOP’s men,
      Can’t put lying Humpty-Christie together again!

      No Man Is An Island

      • Greta42

        Well done!

        • DTVM

          Thank you Greta — Humpty-Christie really has it coming to him!

          No Man Is An Island

          • Greta42

            DTVM – No one deserves his come-uppance more than Christie!

  • forpeace

    This is from January 23, 2014, but by far, it is the FUNNIEST news I have seen so far!!!

    IRS, Benghazi and Accountability

    Rudy Giuliani praised New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie for holding “people accountable who were responsible” for the “stupid” bridge lane closings — adding that’s something President Barack Obama “failed to do with Benghazi” and “failed to do with the IRS.” It depends on your definition of accountable, but the Obama administration did take disciplinary action in both cases, and the president directly did so with the IRS.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2014/01/irs-benghazi-and-accountability/

    • Cynthia W.

      OK, I won’t insult clowns, but—-really?????

      • forpeace

        LOL, I’m glad you are not offending the REAL clowns, Cynthia!! ;-)

        There are still so many unanswered questions regarding Rudy Giuliani’s job performance after 911.

    • BornOkayTheFirstTime

      The guy who built the emergency man