HuffPost Sees Mass Exodus as More Users Reject New Comment System


While there’s no way to confirm hard numbers, it seems thousands of users if not more, are leaving the Huffington Post (also known as HuffPost) and its previously robust community because of the newly introduced comment system.

The new system requires people to sign in through Facebook if they want to comment on any of the stories. It also requires Facebook verification, which requires a cell phone number.

Long-time, dedicated users of the website say that the verification part was one of the dealbreakers, but a bigger one was a promise being broken. HuffPost executive Jimmy Soni told users earlier in August that they would be grandfathered in, meaning they could keep their anonymous accounts since they had been around for a while. But that decision was later reversed without alerting users.

One day recently, when users logged in, they were surprised to find they couldn’t comment without signing in through Facebook. That included not being able to register their dismay with the new policy.

“The thing that really frosted me, and caused me to terminate my account was that they caught us by surprise,” commented one former user, “ChrisDC,” on an Epoch Times story.

“There was no way to comment on what they did without caving in to the garbage about linking to my Facebook page. So, they shut us up over there quite handily, didn’t they? I don’t like being tricked,” ChrisDC wrote in another comment.

Adding insult to injury, Tim McDonald, HuffPost’s director of community, has been unapologetic to the situation.

“Any change will come with a period of outcry,” he told Poynter. “We expected many users would not be happy with this transition, but are confident that as we move forward, this will make for a more engaged and diverse community.”

UPDATE: Q&A With Tim McDonald, Director of Community at Huffington Post

Soni, explaining the new policy, said: “We are capable of doing far worse things to one another when we do not have to own up to the things we do. The mob grants its members the gift of anonymity.”

While Huffington Post invested in its community, including hiring a 40 person team to moderate comments, “trolls have grown more vicious, more aggressive, and more ingenious,” he said. “As a result, comment sections can degenerate into some of the darkest places on the Internet.” Soni said about 75 percent of comments are rejected because they contain “unpublishable levels of vitriol.”

McDonald in the latest blog post said that HuffPost’s goal is to “maintain a civil environment for real conversation and community.”

However, that goal might be undermined not only by all the people leaving, but also by the people who will skirt around the verification issue.

“I spent five minutes creating a bogus Facebook account, verified it with an old prepaid phone I keep in the car, and I was straight back on HuffPo,” said user Simon Delancey on an Epoch Times story. “I notice most of the old idiots and trolls that I used to encounter are still active :( .”

According to users who have left the site, and others who are still there to see what’s happening, the number of users and comments have gone down exponentially. People commenting on McDonald’s blog post briefly outlining the new comment policy have been complaining of losing hundreds of fans in a period of one or two days, and that the number of comments sitewide is nowhere near where it used to be.

“Their lead story right now on Gun Control only has 716 comments (205 people talking) – an article like that also on gun control on Sept 21st of this year got 10k comments (with 1974 people talking!!)” said David Kronmiller on an Epoch Times story on December 13. “And September 21st was a Saturday of all days. Not the biggest traffic day I would think.”

Former HuffPost users have also commented  that their accounts are not really being deleted. 

“I finally got an email my account is closed but they left a link in case I want to return. Proves that they are NOT deleting information on their side.,” wrote “aquarius2.”

Another user, “Sharyn G.,” wrote that she was banned from HuffPost for suggesting the move was to help Facebook get new accounts, among other things, but then got two emails inviting her to return.

Few news outlets have covered the widespread outrage about the new system, apart from Epoch Times and Poynter.

The main Epoch Times article about the issue has over 3,200 comments, as of 10:00 p.m. ET on Sunday, while Poynter’s has almost 900.

There have been problems across news websites from anonymous posting, but Huffington Post is known to have a relatively good system of moderation that includes some of its users. When Arianna Huffington discussed the upcoming changes in August, she told reporters after an event in Boston that “Trolls are just getting more and more aggressive and uglier,” according to GigaOM. She also referenced rape and death threats that came in anonymously, but they were on Twitter, not on the Huffington Post.

“I feel that freedom of expression is given to people who stand up for what they say and [are] not hiding behind anonymity,” she said. “We need to evolve a platform to meet the needs of the grown-up Internet.”

Some researchers have sought to find out whether anonymous comments spark “uncivil behavior,” such as one (pdf) that looked at the Washington Post website, where people could remain anonymous, versus its Facebook page. The study found that users were less civil on the website, and were also more inclined to direct uncivil behavior at others participating in the discussion on the website versus people not involved in the discussion on Facebook.

On the other hand, anonymity has been shown in several other studies to boost creative thinking and give a greater sense of community, something seen on Huffington Post itself.

Anonymity can play another important role: allowing people to participate in online discussions who wouldn’t be able to using their real name, or at the very least who would be much more constricted in what they said if they did use their real name. These people include government workers, a slew of which are said to have participated anonymously in discussions on Huffington Post, as well as rape victims and others.


  • DarlingNikki

    I left HP for this reason. To verify via Facebook, would allow trolls, some of whom I think have mental issues to stalk me in real life! No thank you!!!

    • CatrionaMacA

      Quite so. Add to that this wee bit of information that opened in a window when I was clicking round the site that is now HP/AOL/FB: “The Huffington Post will receive the following info: your public profile, friend list, email address, News Feed, birthday, interests, current city, personal description and likes.” What kind of numpty would agree to that?

    • Robin S Summertown

      I had FB after the constant get FB from friends that raise specialty chickens. I relented, stayed around for a short time and found the site so inane it was not worth my time and deleted the account. Since that time more and more stores about how FB screwed up yet again putting people’s privacy at risk.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Facebook is inane. We use it to talk amongst a circle of friends in my city. That is what Facebook started as and that is all it is useful for.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Many of whom have mental issues.

  • Surfer Dude

    What seems to be slipping under the radar are the financial ramifications to HP’s new faceplant program. Advertisers! HP is loaded with them. With people bailing like crazy, ad revenue will drop because less people are reading ads. HP/AOL is a for profit business that depends on subscriptions and ad revenue to survive. The less people there are reading content, means less bux coming in. In fact I’d go out of my way not to support a company that places ads with a company that wants my FB account info and mobile phone number in order for me to comment on one of their stories.

    • Fattonecat

      “faceplant” ……bwahahahahahaha !! You’re so right about that !!

    • Barbagris

      OOOH, I like that Surfer!

    • RF_Dude

      Time will tell on that one, Dude. If it’s clicks they need, it’s not gonna be pretty is my thought!

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        I have closed my account. But I went to look at the front page. There is nobody there commenting.

    • ottlh

      It would be great if the advertisers were following this thread. I really like your proposal and plan to follow it.

    • Robin S Summertown

      We haven’t missed it. Its repeated many time on the original posting on this site. As more info came to light it became even more apparent that this decision has been about bucks and not people. Or maybe it does involve people because they need to be on the site to click to make them the bucks.

  • geezer 56

    Yay! A new thread! Thanks for another great article, Zachary!

  • Barbagris

    Zachary, do not let this story die. You should be developing the upcoming headline about the implosion of an internet giant. ‘Huffpost -PFFFT” came immediately to mind.

    • Ian_Llanganagain

      Huff-toast.

      • Barbagris

        Out did me with that one Ian LOL!

      • Canukistani

        See? Now you’re having fun!

    • Fattonecat

      or …PffftPost

      • Barbagris

        Has an enjoyable ring to it.

  • Cynth

    Anonymity may lead people to be more polite, but at the expense of speaking the truth, in many instances. And there is a case to be made for snark as an antidote to smarm in the advancement of our collective discourse: http://gawker.com/on-smarm-1476594977

    Oh, and, for many people, anonymity wasn’t the issue or the sole issue. It was being misled when existing account holders were told that they would be grandfathered into the new policy. HP turned on their word.

  • Ian_Llanganagain

    Apparently She Who Envisions (the “grown-up” Internet that is) is too high-falutin’ to have ever stepped inside a 7-Eleven or similar convenience store to avail herself of a cheap, pay-as-you-go phone with cash, nor to have registered it in a less than forthright manner. Further, she seems blissfully unaware that millions of people created fake/semi-fake Facebook profiles before telephone numbers were a requirement, and/or with #s that may have changed hands several times since they were registered. One is also led to wonder how many Facebook users share the number “1-800-555-1212″ or area-code + 867-5309.

    • Lindstr7

      Oh i’m certain she’s fully apprised. I suspect her deal with AOL included her being a figurehead not only for the website but as a spokesperson for their sham of “civil discourse” to sell it to the users. Cooing, it will be ahlriiight dahlinks, just take a deep breath, have a spa day! I really do think they thought she they could pull this off without reprisal. (glad to see you here.)

      • Ian_Llanganagain

        Thanks ;-) One sees increasingly —- with “personnages” of her sort (and other members of the corporate “tele-ocracy”, who step from limousine to hotel function room (via the covered porte cochère naturally) to give speeches —- the many advantages of the quaint Arab custom of removing and hurling one’s footwear through the air in the general direction of those working so assiduously to earn the contempt of the masses.

        • Lindstr7

          I guess that’s what we’re doing eh? Throwing our virtual collective big fat heavy soled Doc Martin sized shoe at her (make that a boot) Think it’ll get her attention?

  • RF_Dude

    Thank you Epoch for getting our story out!

    One point – comments have not been moderated by users for over 2 years now. I was a “CM2″ moderator during that program, and had the capability to delete comments for about 2 years BUT Huffpo halted that program after widespread abuse by some who ‘gamed’ the system and used it for personal attacks on other users.

    The CM2s were never trained, never given direction – just a ‘magic button’ based on successfully flagging comments that were eventually deleted by real moderators.

    The system was VERY easy to game, and resulted in many unqualified and unscreened people being given the power.

    Please post more articles on this subject, you have commenters here and on the earlier “New Comment” thread (which is up over 3400 comments as I write this) that are telling you their stories – lots of material to work with here!

    Thank you again for supporting us Huffugees here, and keep up the good work!

    R.F.

    • Terrapin

      Corporatocracy’s preferred business model: UNPAID LABOR.

      • Robin S Summertown

        Doesn’t that fit with AH’s belief with interns? So, maybe we shouldn’t be so shocked.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          They run the same “community moderation” scam at dkos and it is killing them.

  • Canukistani

    I’d encourage anyone who feels the HP policy is right about anonymity promoting incivility to peruse the Epoch Times thread mentioned above:

    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/394651-new-comment-requirements-on-huffington-post-riling-users-many-are-leaving/#comment-1165376122

    (now at over 3400 comments by former HP community members) for signs of the incivility that HP was so concerned about. Since, unlike on Huffington Post, the commenters there may be anonymous if they choose that would seem to be a good tester for the HP theory.

    • Fattonecat

      HP would’ve deleted about 2/3rds of the comments on that thread by now…

      • Canukistani

        I would figure on 80-90%, but maybe you’re more generous than I am.

        • Fattonecat

          I was being conservative with 2/3rds, 90% wouldn’t surprise me. The last I looked, the HP ‘turning the page’ thread had very few new comments in the last 5 hours or so. It looks like they have it locked down tight…

          • ottlh

            Or people have moved on to other sites. :)

    • Canukistani

      As a postscipt, I would ask anyone in doubt to compare that thread to anything recent on HP. If, that is, they can find any thread on HP posted since they implemented their new policy with a similar number of comments.

  • HarukoHaruhara

    Well, what on bloody Earth did they expect?

    Either they got some other plan in the works (like being bought out by Facebook), or they’re bloody idiots because MOST people are not cool with this.

    • Lance Wagstaffe

      They don’t care about “most” people. All they care about is filtering out trouble-makers and amassing a nice flock of sheep.

    • Robin S Summertown

      There is probably a whole pack of people not thinking this through and are just fine with it. Those that have never seen the negative stores on HP about the many messes FB created.

  • AskandTell

    I just read an article today about freelance writers who post stories on sites including Huffington Post. The article was a tongue in cheek about the different alias names they used for their bylines depending on the site.

    If any HP executive would like a “grown-up” internet discussion, the first step is start acting like a grown up and not hiding behind PR gibberish.

    • Cynth

      Yes, and HP also offers a “concierge service” to write blogs posts for celebrities and there was that controversy in which George Clooney denied writing a post that was attributed to him. There are lots of smoke & mirrors on that site.

    • Lance Wagstaffe

      The thing is, a “grown-up” internet discussion is exactly what they DON’T want. In cold-blooded, objective terms, what they’ve done is harvest a lot of very personal information in order to make money off it, silence dissent to the extent they’re able to, and blatantly lie to their most loyal supporters. And the ugliest part of the whole thing is that they have made it possible for any moderately-motivated stalker to find the object of their “affection” by using Facebook to match names, compare comment styles and manners of expression, look for content matches (an avatar matched to a photo a “friend of a friend” tagged in Facebook, on-line times and locations and real-name e-mail addresses.

      • geezer 56

        Oh, and don’t forget, HP managed to frame this in a way that those who signed up under their real names are now so very proud–not realizing they’ll feel so very foolish if their comment history comes back to bite them at some unknown date in the future.

        • CatrionaMacA

          Wait until they start getting bombarded by sales calls and advertising texts on their mobile phones. Then they’ll understand what they have lost.

  • Trubeliever

    There are numerous reasons why many people choose to comment anonymously.
    Maybe they are being stalked by an abusive former spouse or former boyfriend. Maybe they have been victims of random on-line stalkers. Maybe they are in jobs where posting their political or religious opinions would be committing professional suicide.

    It isn’t that they are afraid to own their opinions, it’s that they just aren’t in a position to reveal their identity because it wouldn’t be safe or prudent.

  • Lindstr7

    I think its just obscene for AH to use the raype story as leverage to convince people this is the prudent thing to do. “She also referenced rape and death threats that came in anonymously, but they were on Twitter, not on the Huffington Post”

    This isn’t about trolls. Anyone who’s been on HP for a while has run into trolls. We know a troll when we see one. Does that create chaos in the room and grind the dialog to a halt? Nope. We yell “troll!” and move on. How low can she go folks.

    • Ian_Llanganagain

      Be careful. Your rhetorical question might be taken for a dare, and I can assure you that if $ is the carrot, those Manolos will be a-slip-slidin’ under the lowest limbo bar you can possibly set.

      • HeyJude

        Ian…you were awesome on the Timmy site, many thanks for all you were doing there.

      • chezmoi

        Ian! I’ve been hoping to see you. I’m too old to limbo, so I’ll just watch them going down. They are snakes at heart, so no problem.

      • ottlh

        I have to agree with Hey Jude regarding your comments on HP. Also, sorry for all the faves. I couldn’t write anything but wanted to get my point across. Good to see you’ve migrated over.

    • AskandTell

      AH is a political animal. I’ve always thought of her as a greek Michele Bachmann. Both get how to work the media and understand that controversy means money. Where would HP be without another article about guns? I’m so done with manufactured media.

      • Coppernicus

        I think more than the media it’s their headers, written to incite ire before entering the conversation. They are so over sensationalised.

        • AskandTell

          Yes, they certainly create splashy headlines which I’ve found many posters don’t even bother reading the article before commenting. But I find it sad that HP specifically uses gun articles as a way of measuring performance much like retailers use same day sale figures.

        • geezer 56

          So many times I clicked on a “teaser” headline only to find that the article itself didn’t support the claim in the headline or–sometimes–flatly contradicted it.

          • Cynth

            Glad I don’t have to see that anymore!

          • chezmoi

            When I first arrived there last summer, I wrote several feedback notes calling them out on headlines (and lacunae in articles), accused them of trying to reach the level of the National Inquirer and falling short. Not surprisingly, they never answered.

    • Sabran

      Trolls are a standard part of the internet. They will find a way to get around FB new rules. That’s what they do.

  • Lance Wagstaffe

    “[Arianna Huffington] also referenced rape and death threats that came in anonymously, but they were on Twitter, not on the Huffington Post”.

    So what’s her solution? She and her fellow plutocrats make it possible for really dangerous stalkers and fanatics to track down “enemies” and unhealthy obsessions through Facebook. How long before the new comment policy at Huffington Post winds up in a commenter being beaten, raped or murdered?

    • Cynth

      I’m sure there wasn’t much good reasoning behind this, except from a business standpoint. All other reasons and arguments are means to justify their business interests. If the welfare and safety of community members were drivers, they wouldn’t link with FB and expose more people’s identifying information to the world and lead people to believe that identifying information is safe.

      • Lance Wagstaffe

        I’m just waiting ’til somebody’s avatar gets matched to the actual photo a “friend of a friend” tagged, and all of a sudden the information floodgates open wide. Facebook’s privacy settings are very, very easy to get wrong.

        • Cynth

          So true, and FB will change their terms at the drop of a hat. Someone on the “Turn the Page” forum had posted that s/he ran a search on a random HP user and found this person on FB, along with some identifying information. This is too creepy, insecure, and ill-conceived.

          • Lance Wagstaffe

            Jeez, I hadn’t heard that. All I know is that I looked at some of the names (or even just names with an initial) on HP and realized those people might just as well have put up a flashing neon sign at their house. Imagine somebody with the HP name “Marushka J” who mentions she saw a specific news event that occurred in a sparsely-populated area. She might not have provided her last name, but a Facebook search would locate her in a few seconds.

          • geezer 56

            I remember late one night, some guy who obviously has serious issues with women was ranting on HP. His account was linked to Facebook–this was maybe a year or so ago, though–and since I do have a FB account and was really bored, I decided to check him out. Well, I saw his whole friends list, all his “likes,” photos, public posts, family, info about his girlfriend, a wedding he’d just attended, yada yada. I felt guilty, and then I felt really creeped out. I should NEVER have been able to do that.

          • chezmoi

            Wow. Reinforces my commitment to avoid FB forever. Several friends keep inviting me, and just don’t understand why I insist on having them send me the pics in emails instead. They think I’m just hopelessly old-fashioned, but I think I’m the wave of the future.

          • Lance Wagstaffe

            Part of my work (both paid and volunteer) involves scheduling events. For letting large groups of people know about that kind of thing, Facebook is excellent. It’s also a lazy way to keep in loose touch with family and friends without bombarding them with emails.

            That said, the price it extracts in privacy is outrageous. I was lucky because I had to set up a personal profile that would be used to contact people I didn’t know. Because of the possibility of unwanted attention, I made sure there was nothing in my profile I wouldn’t allow in a newspaper, except a bunch of lies my friends recognize as such. These are intended to keep possible Facebook stalkers at a distance, and seem to have worked so far.

          • CatrionaMacA

            You are so right, Lance.

            One woman I exchanged messages with
            signed onto HP on her mobile phone, as requested. To experiment, I did a
            Google search with her first and last name (as posted on HP), and was
            able to track her down. In this one search I was able to find out where
            she worked (Linkedin), what she did, and where she lives. There was even
            a map to her house. Had I gone to FB I’m sure I would have found much
            more information.

            I sent her a Tweet to warn her that her privacy had been compromised.

          • Lance Wagstaffe

            You’re a good friend and a good person to let her know that. These people need to know just how vulnerable they are.

          • AskandTell

            HP never bothered to explain how to turn off the HP app within Facebook to ensure privacy. From the step by step directions one poster provided, it certainly isn’t an intuitive process a FB novice would understand without directions.

          • fauxmccoy

            that is exactly why i stuck around, to help folks with that invasive app. i’m glad it helped somewhat.

          • AskandTell

            I was so thankful you were posting the instructions for those like me who would have been totally unaware. Also made me grateful I didn’t create a HP FB account. I let someone else manage our family FB account.

          • fauxmccoy

            awww shucks, thanks :)

      • Robin S Summertown

        All you have to do is search Facebook on HP and read story after story of how FB screwed up and breached people’s privacy. How every time they did a new change they opened everyone up to the world. If there was ever a reason to stay away from a website, that kind of incompetency would be it.

    • Gin1234

      It’s a good thing she can’t control twitter, or they would all be verifying via facebook too.

    • Sabran

      If I get a death threat, I sure don’t want someone knowing my real name.

  • Lindstr7

    Hey don’t forget (if you are so technically inclined) to “like” this page on Tweeeter (and dare I say if you have a Facebook (I know I know) account, please “like” as well. My heads gonna explode if i don’t get outta here. Nite all….was a good day for HP expats. Thanks EpochTIMES!

    • geezer 56

      Thanks for the reminder!

  • RF_Dude

    Nearly 3500 comments on the Epoch “New Comments” thread in the past few days, almost all of them posted anonymously and a VERY civil exchange – no trolls, no insults.

    That one thread shows how absurd the registration policy at HP is.

    Thank you Epoch for publishing this article!

    • Sabran

      Using one’s real name doesn’t stop people from being rude on FB, why would it on Huffington Post?

      • Trumbull Desi

        True that.

      • CatrionaMacA

        It doesn’t stop people from being rude around the dinner table, so why would it stop people from being rude online?

  • Orange

    Thank you. You will have to update this story soon to talk of the demise of HuffToast (to borrow someone else’s word from below).

    The online community sees through the lies that HP is peddling. This has nothing to do with civility and everything to do with the almighty buck – mining for data on users so they can sell that information for ad revenue.

  • RF_Dude

    Adlib over at PlanetPOV.com posted this story he ran in 2011 during the last big HuffPo exodus (during the AOL ‘takeover’):

    http://planetpov.com/2011/02/13/an-hp-moderator-replies-2/

    Zootliberal was a prolific poster on HP who tried to bridge the gap between HP and alternate websites during the last migration. He was shut-down at HP for ‘spamming’ (Stephanie’s word) his link on the HP threads.

    The message is that after the last migration, many went back to HP – let’s not make that same mistake this time!

    HP cannot be trusted to tell the truth to its members – now or in the future. They harvest us like wheat and sell us to the highest bidder.

    Sites like Epoch, PlanetPOV, Poynter, etc. are where we should be talking, not on the over-moderated and privacy-invasive site that HP has become.

    R.F.

    • Cynth

      Spot-on!

    • geezer 56

      I finally deleted my account today and would never, ever sign up again with them. I kinda take it personally when people who ask for my trust turn around and lie to me.

    • Trubeliever

      Nailed it, RF.

    • HarukoHaruhara

      And don’t forget the Realm!

      • RF_Dude

        I would _never_ forget the Realm, Haru! ;-)

        jackholesrealm.wordpress.com (click the top story, newest postings are at the bottom of the thread)

      • Trumbull Desi

        You’re everywhere!

    • AskandTell

      You hit it RF. If we value free speech, sites such as Epoch were formed by journalists around the world with that goal.

    • Trumbull Desi

      I absolutely, positively, verifiably, justifiably will never, ever return to Huffington Post. It’s become a bastion of troglodytes who want nothing more to tear this country apart.

      • Barbagris

        Bigger than just the U.S. Trumbull. Its aboot the world eh?

        • Trumbull Desi

          I fear you’re correct, Barbargris.

      • CatrionaMacA

        What country?

        Cate, in Scotland

        • Trumbull Desi

          The United States. In the U.S. HP is forcing its users to use Facebook to verify a user’s identity and getting rid of anonymity. As a result it’s lost a slew of long time posters (which, frankly, is probably their goal to begin with). Since they’ve been purchased by AOL it’s become more and more right wing.

          • Robin S Summertown

            Reporting from other countries is that they are under the same requirement.

          • Trumbull Desi

            I wonder if people are leaving HP in those other countries as well. Have you?

          • CatrionaMacA

            HP has the same requirements of those of us living outwith the US.

            I agree with your assessment that HP/AOL want to lose long-time members, along with driving away people with IQs above the double digits who might be interested in joining HP.

            I also noticed that HP have become more right-wing since the AOL takeover and that, with a few exceptions, there has been an overall dumbing down of the ‘content’.

          • Robin S Summertown

            Exactly. But we do have a couple of conservatives here now that claim the liberals have taken over.

          • Trumbull Desi

            They want the trolls to rule the roost. The better to target with Glen Beck and Rush Limdick ads (pardon the U.S. references – trust me, they’re BAD people).

    • Robin S Summertown

      The quality of the site has degraded a ton since that AOL move. There were probably a lot, like me, who wished there was another place but never came up with a good substitute. We have this spot. Any reason to move back now?

  • cal haughtly

    Saul Goodman has verified twenty nine FB accounts with just the flip phones in the top drawer of his desk….

    • Robin S Summertown

      LOL

  • cal haughtly

    Fine reporting….what are the odds Fox runs this story before the Huffington Post?

  • cal haughtly

    So, a story about the Pope with a caption that reads- ‘I’m not a Marxist, but..’ is the grown up internet? Think that might attract a riled up bunch that just listened to Rush expound on the subject Arianna?

    • Robin S Summertown

      That sums up what we’ve been seeing more and more of.

  • Mary Fehr

    This about data mining. Just go to Tim McDonalds’ twitter account. One of his professional titles listed is “Brand Advocate”. He pimps brand names.

    • BornOkayTheFirstTime

      At this point, changing that to “Brand Apologist” would probably be a bit more in tune with reality.

    • SmotPoker

      I think pimp is a far more accurate term. “Brand Advocate”? Really? I guess some people will twist anything to try to put themselves in a better light. Sadly, the only person he’s fooling is himself. Reminds me of a real pimp I once knew that called himself an “Entertainment Director”….

      He can’t be that bright if he’s been outsmarted by “ingenious” (his words, not mine) trolls still after this boneheaded move.

      • Robin S Summertown

        I got some marketing “specialist” tweet a post about the change last night. Mentioned the “masses” not being happy. I tweeted and the masses made HP, what is it without the masses?

    • Barbagris

      And not very well apparently.

    • CatrionaMacA

      http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/B/brand_advocate.html
      “In electronic commerce and online advertising, a brand advocate is a person, or customer who talks favorably about a brand or product, and then passes on positive word-of-mouth (WOM) messages about the brand to other people.”

      Like anybody is going to believe anything a professional ‘brand advocate’ says.

      • Canukistani

        We used to call them shills.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Yep. Or we called them pimps, panderers, accomplices, abettors … hot damn I love the English language.

          • CatrionaMacA

            Traitors even, as some can be.

          • HamletsMill

            I think I read where you said you are in Scotland? Do I have that right? One side of my family left Scotland in the 1880′s and came pretty late to the United States. The other side had someone on the Mayflower amid the Pilgrims. Then lot’s of Welsh riff-raff too. Me and Richard Burton and Tom Jones DNA!

            Good to be with you now out in the rebel camp out in the Desert Wasteland beyond the Walled Cities in the Great Migration…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbU8KWE9nfk

          • CatrionaMacA

            I’m a Glaswegian. We’re known for being opinionated, cantankerous, and a general PITA. ;)

            Good to see you here.

          • HamletsMill

            Scotland is here then in the rebel camp! Get the bagpipes out!

          • CatrionaMacA

            Huh?

            Wot rebels? We’re just being us. ;)

          • HamletsMill

            LOL!

          • HamletsMill
          • CatrionaMacA

            This is more in keeping with the Glaswegian… erm… ethos:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2nFE_kuyeA

            Scots are pretty much the opposite of what Americans think we are:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ

          • HamletsMill

            I salute you in the Rebel Camp!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKBI7DOLHA

        • CatrionaMacA

          Oh aye.

  • HeyJude

    Zachary….thank you so much! You’ve really highlighted the plight of the HuffPogees here, really loved seeing this article. (Ha! Can’t believe I’m in the screen shot, but glad to contribute at least that to the cause when so many others were carrying the heavy loads.) But as angry as I once was, with each passing day that is waning. Replaced with a huge love of my new home at Epoch Times, great appreciation for the hospitality extended, and the new family that has grown out of that. I do want HP to acknowledge how badly they bungled this, but not with any intention of fixing it to go back to. Epoch times has earned my love and loyalty, as have all the expats who have gathered here in this haven. Cheers, all!

    • Barbagris

      Nice post HeyJude

      • majorwiblit

        great av!!! :)

        • Barbagris

          Back at ya. “Onward Thru the Fog” – Oat Willy.

          • majorwiblit

            “Whats it all mean Mr Natural?”
            “Don’t mean Sheeet” :)
            was my microbio over on HPee! :)

          • Barbagris

            Truly a Hero to many of us old enough to remember R. Crumb and the early years of National Lampoon. Cheers to ‘Fuzzy Furry Freak Brothers’, ‘Fat Freddie’s Cat’, ‘Cheech Wizard’, ‘Dirty Duck and Weevil’ and the unforgettable ‘Vinnieshinblind the Invisible Sex-Maniac’. And that’s your free short trip in the ‘WayBack Machine’ for
            today Major. Peace

    • Denni A

      hey, now that you’ve become famous maybe Rachel Maddow or Ed Schultz will have you on their show. (wink, wink).

    • Robin S Summertown

      I have no desire to go back to the place I posted for nearly five years. Odd. I’m usually suffering the loss more strongly than that. There are several things about this site I like and I will thank HP for getting me out of my rut.

      As a reminder, everyone share this by clicking on the left side.

    • HamletsMill

      I used play and sing this in my band back in the mid and late 70′s when we played college campuses when the 60′s was still alive. It somehow now greatly fits our situation out here in the rebel camp in the Desert Wasteland beyond the Walled Cities in the Great Migration after all those years on HuffPoo for so many!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbU8KWE9nfk

  • HeyJude

    Latest from quantcast (who volunteered me for this again? )
    Traffic report: People (-35%) Visits (-37%) Page views (-40%)

    BTW, reminder gang….. click the star and like this article, all this chatter and Zachary only has 5 clicks so far!

    • chezmoi

      Thanks for the heads-up – I’m not used to this format yet. The click is in! Thanks, Zachary!

    • Trumbull Desi

      Newbie checking in. Where is the star that needs clicking? I’m missing it …

      • HeyJude

        Hi Trumbull! Welcome! The star is right above the “join discussion” box, and it’s on your right side. It’s gray until you click it. :-)

        • Trumbull Desi

          Thanks! The click is in.

        • Denni A

          thanks, didn’t know where it was either, clicked on it now.

      • Robin S Summertown

        Thanks for the reminder. I forget about it.

    • Trumbull Desi

      And BTW, excellent numbers! They’re going to feel real pain when their advertisers will require lower fees because of lack of eyeballs and clicks.

      • Coppernicus

        Unfortunately we represent small numbers and if you do any sort of news search HP is always the top hit and the numbers based on site traffic and once they have you on the site. What will be interesting to watch is how much they really care about community and commenting that’s where the real hit will be.

        • Trumbull Desi

          By their actions they have shown they are clearly not concerned about their community being multi dimensional. Looking at HP now, the user comments are way down, and the number of individual commenters is way down as well. That won’t sit well with advertisers, so this will hit them in the wallet.

    • Robin S Summertown

      What will tell the tale is taking that thing out for a year to see what it looks like. I have it saved in my tool bar so I can look at it any time.

      FYI, I was tired last night and I saw the HP name. I thought what the heck is that doing there? Delete it, delete it now! Then I remembered, it was the Quantcast link.

    • BornOkayTheFirstTime

      The deltas seem to be day over day numbers, and looking over the 6 month and annual views, this is a pretty regular occurrence in the weekly cycle. What will be telling is if over the next few days, the counts remain low compared to the usual fluctuation, especially after more accounts get deleted, digital rubberneckers lose interest, and expats no longer go back to check on the state of things. Not trying to be a wet blanket, just offering another read on it.

  • Sabran

    Huffington Post loss is Epoch Times gain….

    • Trumbull Desi

      Word.

    • BornOkayTheFirstTime

      One of the recurring themes I noticed on the “Turning the Page” blog post comments is that a few people were saying things like, “Well I lost 180 fans, but I gained 50″. Okay, many of the 180 were probably active participants who left while the many of the 50 were likely users who were already there. I wonder how long it will take for that to dawn on people that their losses really are losses, and gains are just redistribution of the user base.

      • Robin S Summertown

        Those new fans are riding the high of getting a 2 on their badge.

        • BornOkayTheFirstTime

          I never quite got the whole badge thing. I hit the opt out flag in my profile, and not once have I ever felt like I was missing anything.

    • Ben_Chasteen

      Lol, yeah you won’t be hearing us complaining over it. But we do feel sorry for the loss of all your time and efforts spent in the past. But hopefully in the future everyone will look back and feel very happy in the long run that it happened the way it did.

  • earth_dweller

    Huffington Post is nothing but a marketing scam, with “news” as an afterthought — and like all other fools with dollar signs in their eyes blinding them to everything else, they’re stupid and arrogant enough to now reveal that they don’t even care if everybody knows it. Sheesh, it’s just a “news” site with a thin, thin veneer of “liberal” and a lot of shiny-object sideb00bs and cyruskardashian, with astroturfers for Monsanto, NSA contractors, and George Zimmerman polluting its comments, provoking “controversy” and “lively discussion” sure to draw in the clicks. It now drifts down to settle at its correct low-level place in the Great Web of the Internet and life moves on. Just as in nature, there is no void on the Internet, and Epoch Times and others like it rise to fill the one left by HP …

    • earth_dweller

      .

    • Robin S Summertown

      In the early going that wasn’t true. But since the AOL deal it has been sliding steadily in to tabloid territory.

    • Denni A

      that’s the beauty of the internet, where one business model begins to fail there are countless others willing to fill the void. look how many old social media sites from 10-15 years ago have faded into the abyss of obscurity. so to will huffpo.

  • Wolf58

    I’ve notice over the weekend that Yahoo had an increase of Huffpo stories/links, all by the way were the typical tabloid garbage. Looks like they are trying to keep their web traffic numbers up and by doing so are reducing themselves to supermarket rag sheet status FYI They have dropped 3 million people in web traffic since the 9th. https://www.quantcast.com/huffingtonpost.com

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    You know, I am getting really uncomfortable. I love Trolls. They keep message board life interesting and funny. I do not mind vituperative comments. I want to get the whole picture. I want to know what everybody thinks. You would have to be a real AH before I would boot you for something you wrote in my world.

    • CatrionaMacA

      Trolls are useful in keeping more clear-thinking people updated on how less well-informed people think.

      • Johnnymoreno

        I go to the Washington Times for my troll fix. Then I take a shower.

        • tense641

          giggles!

        • CatrionaMacA

          The Washington Times… wow! I’m not as brave as you.

          Freedumb!

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Very useful for that. You cannot find out what is really going on if you exclude people.

      • geesepeace

        But if you are commenting on something you care about dealing with trolls just muddies the water and the clear thinking gets lost in it.

    • geesepeace

      I don’t love trolls that much and I realized that when I was commenting on the NY Times. An editor emailed me and said he thought my comment had merit but he wasn’t going to post it until I made some changes as it was too disrespectful. So I edited it. And then I realized how nice it was to see real arguments on a subject rather than just hateful garbage. Real information and intelligent opinions get lost in a thread of rants and senseless hateful comments.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Must agree somewhat. Good argument. However, I am mindful of #60:

        60

        Rule a big country
        As you would cook a small fish.
        When beneath-heaven is ruled with Tao,
        Demons don’t go spiriting.
        Not only do the demons not spirit,
        But spirits don’t harm people.
        Not only do the spirits do no harm,
        But the sage also does no harm.
        Since both do no harm,
        Virtue is restored intact.

      • tense641

        I’m glad you saw the light, I had a warm disagreement with someone on this site Saturday am, he didn’t like my comment & began by calling me stupid…so of course I had to say something & began with pointing out the name he called me in his opening sentence & that I talk to adults. He apologized to me in a wonderful way & we continued our disagreement & discovered we were in full agreement on many other subjects. If we had been on HP we would have f/f each at the end.

    • tense641

      I know what you mean about a good argument but then Timmy came up with that stupid stuff about “skinny” comments & no one knowing who was commenting to whom…I thought he was the 1 with the issues.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        The skinny comments were a pain. You are correct. He is the one with issues – for one he lies for HuffPo. The solution to the skinny comments was a bigger pain.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    Moderators: AH is all right but “anus” sends you to moderation? Really. Lighten up. There are other places to comment as HuffPo is finding out.

    • CatrionaMacA

      Hey there, Plum! Good to see you here.

      Catriona

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Good to see you too. I was feeling so lonely.

        • CatrionaMacA

          Ah, don’t feel lonely. Fellow huffpost refugees will be turning up here and there across the Web.

          Plum, you may not remember but the first time you and I linked up on HP, we disagreed over something, and it was a virtual donnybrook. (I think it was over abortion and our differing beliefs about being ‘pro-choice’, but I may be wrong about that.) We got over it.

          I have enjoyed our communications.

          I’ll be disappearing late tomorrow for a few days. We’re off to spend Christmas with my mother’s family in Brittany, a full two-day trip from our home in Scotland.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Merry Christmas. Sounds lovely. Now that you remind me, I do remember. You give as good as you get. I like that in a person.

  • SmotPoker

    This weekend was exhausting for me. I spent Friday between here and PPOV. I spent ALL DAY Saturday @ PPOV throwing out tunes for the music thread which had well over 300 post, from what I was told is some kind of record.

    It was weird, in that whole time I only spotted perhaps one or two of those pointy ear gremlins attempting to bait someone into an argument.

    Gee, who knew the internet could be so good? Not that I mind trolls all that much as I don’t mind giving a written slapdown when it’s required, in fact in a weird way I kind of miss them…It always kept me sharp.

    • Jasmine starlight

      I agree 200%—I think diversity is great too, some knuckleheads will be missed, its unbelievable some of their beliefs…lol–”a written slapdown when it’s required”—democracy in action! It’s great to read viewpoints of many…minus the trolls of course:(

    • Johnnymoreno

      I suggested to HuffPo that they award a new badge to people who receive 100+ “mutes”. It could be a little troll with a strap-on ball gag. They wouldn’t post it. Maybe I was being uncivil to trolls.

      • Robin S Summertown

        I’m surprised. They wouldn’t let benign stuff through but I hear the incendiary comments were all over the place.

  • SmotPoker

    I do find it rather revealing that the internet has no mention of this meltdown at HP, searches only bring you to HP articles. Completely scrubbed.. No mention of it from traditional media sources, nada, zip, the old Simon & Garfunkel routine – The Sounds of Silence indeed.

    • Robin S Summertown

      That bugged me too.

      BTW, what were you doing yesterday? Never mind I see your reason below.

    • tense641

      Poynter had/has something about it, it was still there this am.

      • SmotPoker

        One out of a bazillion sites. Nothing on CNN, MSNBC, or others. USA Today is silent. Local big city newspapers are mute. I’ve seen it mentioned on this site, Poynter, and PPOV, that’s about it.

        • Robin S Summertown

          I’ve been trying to force the issue with Twitter. So far its all Miley, NSA stuff there.

        • tense641

          PPOV is new to me so I’ll go and check it out also thanks. I’m going to start clicking on the avatars of fellow refugees…you’re next.

  • majorwiblit

    Good Morning,,I posted this over on the other thread about this,,,I didn’t
    realize there was a new one

    Good Morning one and all!
    I see..I see,,lots and lots of people from “Sensitive Nature Land” wandering about!
    A good thing!!,,A great thing!!
    The only thing left to do is remove HPee from my opening tabs,,,alas,,snif,,snif :(
    No more clicking over there!,,,plenty of other places to get the morning news!
    I won’t even click over there just to see the Main Headline!!,NO MORE HP CLICKS!!
    Was Majorwiblit there,,,and oblahdeechris for awhile,,,but am majorwiblit all around
    the WorldWideWackosphere!
    I look forward to seeing my friends here,,and in other places!!
    carry on!

    • Robin S Summertown

      My link is gone, it went the day I said, h3ll no and got the heck out of there. And I don’t miss it. It had been sliding slowly but continually downhill for a long time now.

  • Denni A

    someone who has an account on FOX needs to post this link over there, it will spread like wildfire.

  • Denni A

    funny how huffpo claims there was an onslaught of “vitriol and trolls” yet every topic I attempted to comment on I never saw that, I saw people making relevant, intelligent comments, myself included, and when I would click ‘submit’ I got the message “this comment has been deleted”, in other words no moderator even saw what I wrote, it just “poofed” into thin air…so that lame excuse of trolls, yada, yada, yada is a flat out lie.

  • Buddy_McCue

    I’ve enjoyed the Huffington Post for a long time, and have made thousands of comments there. I’ve always used my real name too; being anonymous isn’t an issue for me.

    But now I can’t comment at all anymore, unless I get a Facebook account.

    I don’t want a Facebook account, and I shouldn’t be forced to have one. This isn’t right.

    • Devey Elise

      We are in the same boat. Luckily we exist to prove the absurd hypocrisy.

      • Buddy_McCue

        I’m glad I’m not the only one!

    • geesepeace

      I have been on facebook since 2009 and consider my friends and my newsfeed are personal; you could easily create a totally fake FB account with no information on it so I don’t know what your objection is.

      • Robin S Summertown

        Quite simply, FB is not trustworthy either. And do you really believe FB keeps your private life, your public life and your alternative lives separate in their deep data bases?

        • geesepeace

          But you can create a fake account with NO information on it, nothing but a fake name. No friends, no newsfeed, no data to be misused. Being on facebook you know they may use the information to create some revenue but they are not interested in personal things. Giving an organization like HP access to personal information is just asking for misuse of personal information.

          • Robin S Summertown

            And just by using the information you can’t see, ie your ISP and other hidden background information can match you up pretty easily.

            Most people don’t know that. How do you think authorities track bad people down that use fake information?

          • Leslie (eserafina42)

            Even if you do that, you are still increasing the number of “new accounts” that FB can crow about to its shareholders. I actually have one, but I will not “verify” it and I will not share my information with someone who demands it as a condition for commenting on their site

      • leden

        Many people choose not to support businesses that have values counter to their own.

        Millions of people feel that way about Facebook.

      • Buddy_McCue

        My objection is that I shouldn’t HAVE to create a Facebook account…. fake, real or anything.

        I don’t like the very idea of Facebook, and I shouldn’t be forced to comply.

  • RockyFjord

    Huff Post has these categories of people, and if you are in their designated category, your comments are not subject to the filters and/or moderator’s censorship. So these special commentators, like the Huff Post “journalists” themselves, can use all kinds of words that are deemed too Un-PC for the masses. It’s not only the words one uses, but the criticism itself that gets filtered for PC. And then the Facebook thing was the last straw; I don’t bang Facebook!
    So in the end, the site is not worth the bother. Seems like Huff Post has staked out a particular
    political ground, and only accepts comments deemed in line with their vision thing, as old man Bush would say. Overall, Am media rather sucks. I’ve gone to getting news on America from
    Russian and Chinese news sites in English. Also AlJazeera.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Al Jazeera is excellent. I do the Guardian as well.

  • geesepeace

    Soni, explaining the new policy, said: “We are capable of doing far
    worse things to one another when we do not have to own up to the things
    we do. The mob grants its members the gift of anonymity.,,,,,,,,Soni said about 75 percent of comments are rejected because they contain “unpublishable levels of vitriol.”

    1. I simply do NOT believe 75% of the comments were that bad and if they were I am glad to be off a site that attracts so many psychs and ‘mob’ types.

    2. If anyone has been on Facebook for any length of time and been on different pages there they will KNOW being on facebook doesn’t make a hater more civil at all…people have been bullied to death on facebook.

    “Based on the above considerations, we can define an invasion of (informational) privacy as having the following elements:

    It involves personal information that gives access to the
    subject’s life, for example, his or her thoughts, words, actions,
    habits, history, plans, aspirations, and so on.

    The information is made available to others without the consent of the subject.

    The information was not previously published or otherwise made
    public knowledge, and there is no reasonable expectation that it would
    be public knowledge.

    There is no overriding, legitimate public interest in collecting this information and making it available.

    http://www.scu.edu/ethics/practicing/focusareas/technology/internet/privacy/why-care-about-privacy.html

    THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR HP HAVING ACCESS TO OUR FRIENDS NAMES OR OUR NEWSFEED WHICH CONTAINS EVERYTHING WE AND OUR FRIENDS DO ON FACEBOOK. I have used my legit FB to sign into sites to comment but nobody else has got acess to this much information on facebook. Lets face it….HP is NOT a law enforcement agency and our PERSONAL information is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

    • Canukistani

      You’re exactly right. There are privacy issues all over this no matter what they try to tell us. As I’ve said elsewhere I spent a number of years in data security, protecting it, that is, and as soon as I saw the new policy my alarm bells went off.

      The fact that they sprung it by surprise, giving people no chance to voice their opposition unless they had already complied was also a warning of what this was about and how determined they were to foist it on us.

      Even the sop they pretended to offer awhile back that this wouldn’t apply to long-time users was offensive to me. It was like they thought we should be ok with what they were doing to other people as long as they didn’t do it to us. Surely we should know better than that.

      Even had they implemented it that way it would have been inevitable that they’d extend it to everyone at some point. That much should be obvious now that we’ve seen their mind-set. We know them by what they’ve done rather than what they said.

      The ham-handed way they put this in place was actually better for us than if they’d slowly rolled it out because it made the lies transparent and made our choice clearer and easier to make. thankfully, they’re not only nasty, but they’re also stupid.

      • Leslie (eserafina42)

        Yes – I feel guilty about that. You know, “They came for the new users and I wasn’t a new user so I didn’t protest. Then they came for me.” However, even so, they were at least being up front with those people coming in – not lying to them and then flip-flopping a couple of months later.

        • Canukistani

          Yup, that was exactly the quote I thought of when I first heard about the so-called grandfathering thing. It’s clear now that even if they’d done that at first it would have been more like god-fathering.

    • BornOkayTheFirstTime

      Maybe somebody with Twitter can tweet this to Arianna, Jimmy, and Tim:

      http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rockbeyondbelief/2012/10/12/im-being-infantile-because-i-want-to-murder-christians/

      I referenced the image in this post in a comment back in August. That comment disappeared shortly after.

    • Robin S Summertown

      This right here puts the lie to what he said: 1. I simply do NOT believe 75% of the comments were that bad and if they were I am glad to be off a site that attracts so many psychs and ‘mob’ types.

      I made extra effort not to say things that were offensive no matter how hot I was, yet many of my posts never appeared. Even on the most benign stories my comments went poof. Consider that since 09 I only made like 2000 comments, can you imagine how many others went poof that were in the 10′s of thousands for making comments?

      • geesepeace

        Well I had deleted my account there once then eventually started another one….i had over 2000 comments since June of this year. I had three badges for networking and superuser. Then suddenly I started seeing ‘this comment has been deleted’ and ‘due to the sensitivity of the subject of Miley’s azz this comment will take longer to appear’.

        The thing is they know who we are because our email addresses can be tracked to an IP address. If they had people who were seriously worrisome they should have been referring the FBI to them.

        • Coppernicus

          I don’t know there capabilities but I do know of several trolls that used IP spoofing.
          The question is how to have vibrant functioning community. They don’t seem to get less is more.

          • geesepeace

            Well that is the thing…if trolls used ‘IP spoofing’…whatever that is…they will find it even easier to create a fake FB account. Even I know how to make a fake account but will not spend the money to buy a throw away cell phone to validate it. HP damn well knows they are no further ahead with these FB accounts…all it does is give them personal information of longtime facebook users so they can use it for whatever purpose. .

          • Coppernicus

            Forrestgrump actually laid out how to get a number without having to buy a phone. That is what gets most of us is that this will do nothing to curb trolling. And the sad irony is they have a flag button and a mute button, I didn’t fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

          • fauxmccoy

            here’s the deal — in spite of what has been written, you do not even need to buy a throw away phone. i was able to ‘verify’ a fake-O-rama FB page for my cat with a free google voice number.

            no money needed to anonymize one’s IP addy, spoof an email and fake verify a fake FB acct. this brave new world for HP will do nothing to clamp down on determined trolls and spammers.

        • Leslie (eserafina42)

          I always LOVED the “Due to the sensitivity of the subject…” notes, whether you were commenting on gun policy or kittens. Don’t know if anyone here read Dave Astor’s column on books (books!) with topics like “Male authors who write great female characters and vice versa” and poor Dave, who responded to just about every comment, was all over them apologizing to people whose original comments had been in “moderation” for hours.

      • Terrapin

        What WAS their absolutely capricious, over-bearing moderation really about ? There was no political slant to it, nothing to do with civility, not a time-out period, and nothing to do with hot-words triggering any software.

        No matter how sincere, relevant, polite and benign a post – it would just disappear. Drove me up a wall.

        Any theories ?

        • Robin S Summertown

          It was intentional to drive us away.

  • Jasmine starlight

    I wonder if HP interns and staffers are busy making comments and fanning people… the Mods are having slower days now :) HP burn baby burn! you deserve it–sucker punching all your loyal viewers and contributors!!

    • BornOkayTheFirstTime

      I’m pretty sure what’s happening over there is going to turn into the combination of a geometric shape with no corners and a quick, sharp, sudden movement. I’ve been watching the “Turning the Page” comments, and I noticed multiple “yay us” comments posted by bloggers and “community advocates” (I wasn’t even aware that was a thing).
      This is what happens when the best and brightest aren’t the ones in control. They end up becoming the best and brightest of an increasingly large group of dullards by culling out those who are more intelligent than they.

      • fauxmccoy

        yes, the ‘this is a great move’ crowd strike me as somewhat suspect for the most part with a noticeable lack of fans. i doubt they have been reading/contributing for years, but i didn’t really check.

        PS – i like your name :)

        • BornOkayTheFirstTime

          I just recall noticing one that where the user name was something like hp_blogger_schnicklefritz_cheerleader_omg_yay (slight exaggeration, but you get the idea).
          As a fan of word play and puns, and who refers to the Murdoch propaganda bureau as “Faux Nooz” (because it’s not real and it’s not news), I highly approve of yours as well. =)

  • Jrlh

    So, us Huffagees have our own headline….Cool, maybe humanitarian aid will now start to flow….Sorry, I have never been a refugee before, don’t quite know how to act…..Thanks for covering us Epoch Times!

    • Robin S Summertown

      With grace and dignity and realization that you are stronger than they are. And giddiness that you are now free.

  • Devey Elise

    The problem with their argument is that I am a commenter who USES MY REAL NAME. I’ve even appeared as a guest a few times on HuffPost Live. This is me. They know it’s me. But I refuse to succumb to facebook so I’m now not allowed to post. I knew it was going downhill when they closed the LA branch of HuffPost Live. Tim can blow me.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      You want that slimy double dealing mouth on your privates. Ewwwww. Just saying.

      • Robin S Summertown

        Bet his post gets edited now that you raised that really creepy possibility.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          Hey, he raised it. I just responded. Mea culpa. All I think about is sex … and politics.

          • Devey Elise

            Btw…I am not a “he”. Just sayin’.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thanks for the correction.

    • Jrlh

      The real name thing as we have ascertained, really had nothing to do with it. Civility also had nothing to do with it….It is only about money and data mining plain and simple.

    • Devey Elise

      Good lawd. It’s a figure of speech people.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Your comment is excellent. I just could not resist the call of that expression. Forgive me.

      • Robin S Summertown

        Its hard to let go when associating that slime to this post and . . .

        We know what you meant. I was going to say bite me but that’s even kind of creepy. How about doing something to himself? wink wink

  • Major Bumtickle

    Despite losing contact with many friends, and acquaintances, I really enjoyed closing out my longtime account at HP. I have a very strong aversion to attempts of manipulation. I just can’t put up with it. There’s a group of people, I suspect, that felt that this move would profit them. It probably will, but I hope that it doesn’t.

    aka: Gas-Bag (no longer) :-)

    • Devey Elise

      Facebook isn’t going to last forever.

      • Denni A

        true, let’s hope whoever,whatever takes its place learns this lesson.

    • Sharyn G.

      Hey welcome to the Huffpugee site.

      • Major Bumtickle

        Thank you.

  • abxnomore

    Their argument is pure b.s. To lock out members, such as myself, who had active for many years with no notice is inexcusable. How dare they try and force me to open a FB account. I closed my account the very next day. Aside from how badly they handled this situation, the site has really degenerated. If you want to know what Miley Cyrus is up to, if you want to view the latest side boob photo than that is the site for you. It’s a tabloid rag. If they are so concerned about the trolls, who are still there BTW and joined up in droves when she sold out to AOL, then the site should set the bar higher by way of it’s content not lock out their members and impose Gestapo like measures including off the charts censorship. For those of us who had been participating there for a long time, we saw what they were doing. They are trying to stifle conversation and networking and keep the site dumbed down for a very different audience than it attracted when it began. It’s now a complete and total corporate entity and trying to pose as a liberal site. What a joke!

    • Major Bumtickle

      Hi abxnomore. Gas-Bag here. Nice to see you :-)

      • abxnomore

        Same here, welcome! Glad to see that you left HP. OMG, how I hate that site and what they have done to it and us. We really have lost nothing because they were making it so difficult to use the site with the new format and the censorship and holding up comments, not to mention the tabloid like articles!

    • Leslie (eserafina42)

      I have an FB account, but I will NOT give them my phone number, and I had refused to link to HP anyway despite their asking me for what seems like a couple of years every time I shared one of their stories.

    • tense641

      Gawd are you right on when you refer to the side boob, Miley & tweerking (sp) and other nonesene. It had become the entertainment site for 20 something or others with next to little or no news. I’d f/f you if I could.

      • Robin S Summertown

        You can, put your cursor over the avatar, it will pop up a window to follow. To fan just click on the up arrow.

        • tense641

          Thank you.

        • tense641

          I just tried on you Robin and thanks again. I’ve got some catching up to do now.

          • Robin S Summertown

            We’ve been burning this place up since Saturday. Its well over 3000 posts now.

            And you’re welcome. We’re all learning how this stuff works.

      • Sharyn G.

        That stuff was getting out of control!

        • tense641

          Wasni’t though? Combined with their short articles it wasn’t the place for me to be.

          • Sharyn G.

            Yes! Some articles were a photo and seven words.

          • tense641

            That unfortunately is the truth of the matter, it changed so much from when I began to even read the (real) articles before I began posting comments.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        My 20 something Viper Girls would not go near HuffPo with the proverbial 10 ft. pole.

        • tense641

          fun ny!

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Remember the woman with the world’s biggest boobs? SMH.

        • tense641

          I’m screaming with laughter!! and also am now following you.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thank you. If I have made you laugh, Grasshopper, my work is done. LOL.

    • Sharyn G.

      Thank you. I’d honestly started to think it was ME that was getting obsessed with that stupid Cyrus until I realized she was being stuffed down my throat. Ugh .

    • tense641

      Someone told me to click on the avatar so now I’m following you! Forget f/f

      • abxnomore

        Welcome!

        • tense641

          back atchaya!!

  • ilRagno

    when HuffPost open the Maghreb edition (arabian north africa countries) i thought that it was a real occasion for those peoples to openly debate on very delicate threads. Since Mr McDonald has launch the new FB verification process there is no more comments there, i mean zero, nada… what a shame !

    • Denni A

      thanks for the heads up, that’s what I wondered about yesterday how this debacle has affected users from other countries commenting in their respective sections like folks from UK, Australia, Africa, Latin America…etc

      • geesepeace

        Canada too….our government is already notorious for snooping and muzzling scientists.

    • Robin S Summertown

      From what I heard, that’s true for other foreign sites.

      I believe they did think this through though and how it affects the people who make comments. They just don’t want the commenting any more but do what the revenue from clicks.

      • Coppernicus

        Bingo!

      • Leslie (eserafina42)

        Unfortunately, the reason for a lot of those click was the comments – AND the ability to respond to them. Why else would anyone click on the same story multiple times?

        • Robin S Summertown

          Since we’re not absolutely certain its clicking on news stories and not on the website itself, we’re all trying to stay away from the site completely.

          • Sharyn G.

            Yes. Last night I was looking for an article about a tv show I was watching and found an article that looked good, but it was on huffpo. Oh boy was I happy to avoid it.

          • Robin S Summertown

            It was really bad when I was looking for a new home after quitting HP, put that name in any form and it comes all HP direct links.

          • Sharyn G.

            Yuck.

    • escribacat

      Classic ethno-centric move on Huffy’s part. “Of course everybody in the world would be happy to be on Facebook!”

  • geesepeace

    McDonald in the latest blog post said that HuffPost’s goal is to “maintain a civil environment for real conversation and community.”

    “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”
    ― Adolf Hitler

    • Sharyn G.

      The hitler comparisons are appropriate. Telling us they expect outcry about deciding not to grandfather anyone on after putting it in PRINT that they would. Yet in their newspaper they said nasty things about the President supposedly breaking his “promise.” That’s so ridiculous.

  • Json

    The sad part (if you care or cared about HP) is that lying about grandfathering people in was unnecessary.

    If they had not lied to people you would have a system where old users are unverified and new one are verified. But if an old user says something offensive, HP could delete the account and that person would be forced to verify to make a new account.

    I was a loyal HP user for many years, but I have cancelled my account and I hope that every person that cares at all about privacy or honesty does the same.
    Ay this point I don’t think I would ever return to HP, but I think it is important to protest and send a message to all the other sites out there that may ponder a similar action.

    • Robin S Summertown

      I’m over the mad and the disappointment now. But then I’ve had a couple of days to vent. I at the relieved point now. HP was not the HP of old and was more of a burden than a site that provided much more than tabloid news.

      • geesepeace

        I look at their front pages now and feel kind of embarrassed I spent so much time there. It wasn’t exactly first class journalism.

        • Coppernicus

          And that was the deal. They aggregated the news but they would sensationalise the header to incite ire and generate the clicks, imo.

          • Robin S Summertown

            Yeah, I can’t say how many times I would click on a header and find that it was blown sky high for no reason. Or even a few times that the title didn’t really match the content. I’d click out, come back to see if it was a hiccup.

          • Sharyn G.

            I always thought they tried to create the fights they later said they were against.

          • epazote

            The murder of Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman trial threads were an ugly glimpse at the racist mindset still prevalent in ‘merica today. It was revolting reading the vile trash that was approved for publication in the comments section…25k average # of comments on each=$$$ for the corporation

          • Sharyn G.

            That’s the truth. You could even post links to facts and the haters still wanted to hate.

        • abxnomore

          I sure most of us in the end will be very glad for the change and that we were forced out. The site continually declined through the years and in this past year it reached an all time low. No, right now it’s barely journalism. It’s turning into a tabloid more concerned with the Kardashians, Miley and the good old “side boob”. Oh, don’t forget the thigh gap!!

        • Sharyn G.

          Remember those headlines that included “Because The Internet”
          and “Is Everything?”

          They were trying to be edgy, I guess. Ha ha.

    • trobts

      They only wanted the “right” slant in postings and this was the way to go about getting it. I was a long time member with a following and fan base and was never censored for my postings. Of course, I wasn’t a troll spewing the Ayn Rand/GOP party line so they had to get rid of me.

    • Coppernicus

      It has been a long downhill slide. I remember the days of sharing comments with you on the Adam Clark Estes pages when they were working on moderation and badges. It has been one let down after another leading up to a big lie. I have been near absent since the merger.

    • leden

      Yes, that is how I assumed it would work. Since I had created my account under one set of TOS, and nurtured a respected long-term presence on HP with many upvotes on comments along with a good number of friends/fans/followers, it was a courtesy to me and all the other users like me to allow us to keep our hard-earned reputations without holding us to a new TOS requirement. All new accounts would need to accept the new TOS. If an older user violated their TOS, they would forfeit the courtesy of their “grandfathered” account. Seemed simple and a strategy often used when TOS change.

  • trobts

    I can’t believe HuffP pulled this stunt without warning. Arianna sold out to the troll posters to run that company. Perhaps this is the start of getting the GOP back to the forefront of politics and issues (which they have NO IDEA how to solve, nor do they want to). HuffP is the new FAUX NEWS of the internet. Bah!

    • Robin S Summertown

      Think AOL. And if you think about the over all site changes since AOL then you have your explanation.

      • escribacat

        When the “merger” happened, I didn’t even know AOL still existed.

        • Robin S Summertown

          AOL became the poster child for what we are not seeing with HP. I had an account with them for years, probably still do, it got so bad I said I’m out of here.

          • escribacat

            Back during the dawn of the internet, I had my aol email account. I recall being on every spam generator’s list on the planet. They were clearly selling email addresses. This move seems to be in line with that policy.

          • Robin S Summertown

            Huh, I had forgotten about that its been so long.

  • Terrapin

    “There have been problems across news websites from anonymous posting, but Huffington Post is known to have a relatively good system of moderation that includes some of its users.”

    Uh, right. If by ‘relatively good’ you mean the absolutely worst moderation of any site anywhere in the history of the interwebs.

    • Robin S Summertown

      Essentially propaganda.

    • escribacat

      Moderation by eenie-meenie-minie-moe.

    • Json

      Actually as a (former) CM2, I can tell you that community moderation was a joke as well and never worked properly. A CM2 is supposed to be able to delete comments, but it didn’t work most of the time
      Here is a paraphrased email conversation between me and HP
      Me: I have a CM2 badge, but lately I can’t seem to delete offensive stuff.
      HP: You need to delete inappropriate comments in order to maintain the ability to do so.
      Me: So I am being penalized for being judicious and thoughtful in deleting comments?
      HP: You can earn the right to delete again by flagging a high percentage of inappropriate comments.
      Me: Except as a CM2 I CAN”t flag comments. I can only delete them.
      HP: Oh. That’s a good point.,We will have to look into that.

      (Never heard from them again.)

      • fauxmccoy

        i always considered the CM role as yet one more tool at their disposal to divide and conquer… maybe that’s just me.

        • Json

          Not an unfair assessment, but when I cared about the community, I didn’t mind helping out, Even if it meant that I was personally blamed for every comment that didn’t show on any thread I was commenting on.

          • fauxmccoy

            i considered that most folks with that badge were decent and a handful abused it. i never held anything against anyone with the badge, only thought of it as a corporate tool, as i said.

        • escribacat

          I always considered one more aspect of their free labor policy.

          • fauxmccoy

            two, two tools in one!

            valid point there as well.

        • Sharyn G.

          I think they did it to try to make a few pay allegiance to their site. Like the Hitler youth.

      • Denni A

        and what was the definition of “inappropriate comment”.

        • Json

          LOL. That’s a great question. I asked HP for a little guidance on that, but never got any.
          In the end, I limited deletions to obvious spam (make $800…), foul language, personal threats and racism.

          I was very concerned about accidentally deleting comments just because I disagreed with them, not because they were objectively offensive.

          • junkhacker

            “I was very concerned about accidentally deleting comments just because I
            disagreed with them, not because they were objectively offensive.”
            no wonder they didn’t keep you as a moderator

        • Robin S Summertown

          That was a moving target and what ever mood the mod was in.

      • Devey Elise

        I never liked the idea of another commenter having the ability to delete other commenters posts.

      • Sharyn G.

        That’s some funny stuff!

    • Denni A

      I’ve been on numerous forums, message boards and discussion groups over the past 10 years on the internet and never, ever experienced the most incoherent moderating system that is employed by huffpo and members engaged in some pretty heated discussions, myself included.

  • Robin S Summertown

    There is a petition up on another site. It is not getting the kind of traffic one would wish. HP is doing this for the money, it could care less about us. Most, if not all of us are now getting our news else where. And have congregated here, for the most part, to continue interacting.

    BTW, I didn’t see a link to your petition.

    • ilRagno

      true true Robin, thanks to remind me, i’ve edited the comment and put it on. Thanks again

      • Robin S Summertown

        I still don’t see it. How about trying to just put it in a reply?

        • ilRagno

          here it is Robin : http://h-bomb-countdown.les-forums.com
          btw, do you have the address of the other petition please ? Better join our forces, or should i say our weakness, to try to have some result, thanks !

          • Robin S Summertown

            I’ll see if I can find it. If you have Twitter post the link there, if not I can do it for you.

            The issue I see is that it is not automatically in English. We use many different browsers here, some will translate automatically, others won’t.

          • ilRagno

            Thanks a lot Robin, i don’t have twitter, i will be grateful if you can do it. The forum site is a french one, but the content is translated in three languages, english, french and italian, and there is one topic for each language. Thanks for your support Robin

          • Robin S Summertown

            Posted to Twitter.

          • ilRagno

            awesome Robin, thanks again !

    • ilRagno

      true to say i have low traffic too, and no signature at all :( , but i won’t give up, more than a petition is an action plan, a kind of countdown to let the “H-bomb” implode the site by disconnecting the most possible accounts on x-mas day if they won’t change their mind

  • Jrlh

    Absolutely phenomenal….The people who were the most pugnacious in nature seem to be the ones that are fine with the new guidelines…..Hope their happy with whom they are left with….!!

    • imusintheevening

      Wait until the ultra ultra righties start stalking the ultra righties in real life from this.

      • Robin S Summertown

        Ooooh, that would be something to watch.

      • Jrlh

        Or the hard lefties start arguing with the semi-left if they should have one or two foam darts in their Nerf guns….;)

  • escribacat

    I think it was 2 or 3 years ago when Arianna started her “neither right nor left” campaign. She herself is “neither right nor left,” but just “Arianna wants as much money and power as she can get,” I believe that was her way of beginning the process of wriggling herself out of the “I’m a rabid rightwinger suddenly transformed into a progressive” box, which was lucrative at first but only opened the door to bigger and more “diverse” markets, as whats his name put it in his annoying little blog over yonder. That “diverse market” is clearly the National Enquirer audience, judging from the moronic headlines and stories that have taken over the front page. That so many of us were duped into believing it was a “progressive site” is the real betrayal here. Huffington is a phony of the worst sort. At least Fox News knows they are a rightwing propaganda machine. Huffington Post is far more insidious — the trojan horse comes to mind.

    • Robin S Summertown

      And that’s exactly why my visits to the site were further and further in between.

      • escribacat

        Same here. It had already become an exercise in annoyance — especially the puerile headlines. My visits had dropped drastically and then I invariably just skipped to the comments section to see what folks were saying. It wasn’t an actual source of news any more.

      • Denni A

        same here, over the past 6 months my visits became more infrequent and when I did ‘stroll’ through I just skimmed through the Front Page, Politics and Green section to check if there was anything of interest I might ATTEMPT to post a comment on, if not just went about my merry way and then this debacle hit the fan.

        • BornOkayTheFirstTime

          I swear, comments in the Green section are like watching a massive car wreck. You don’t want to see it but you can’t look away. So hopelessly polarized and unconstructive. Out of frustration, I posted a short comment on the general unpleasantness of the discourse and got a reply making the conclusion that I have a problem with the environment. Sigh, I’m still not sure why I even bothered.

          • Denni A

            as someone who cares deeply about animal issues I scoured the Green section since that is where most of those topics ended up.

          • escribacat

            I noticed that too. I stopped visiting the green section as much because the climate deniers had basically taken over the environmental threads there. A really snide and nasty crew.

          • geesepeace

            Reminds me some of their animal stuff was pathetic….they often put up videos they thought were cute while the animals were clearly in distress, like that German shephard pacing in a cage recently and they thought he was ‘dancing’.

          • Denni A

            yep, I commented on that one and said I saw nothing cute or funny about that video. the poor dog was NOT DANCING to some stupid ’80′s music, it was clearly in distress. now they have another stupid thread about snow in Egypt and a picture of a poor emaciated camel probably freezing since it has no body heat to generate.
            huffpo has become a tabloid rag, sad since it could have played a major, powerful role in shaping the current social and political climate humans are facing all over the globe.

          • Coppernicus

            Don’t take this the wrong way but I sense you are anthropomorphizing the camel. The camel you speak I feel has a very good body condition score. As long as it is being feed it generates the heat it needs on top of it having the ability to fluff its coat to create more air space. That camel was kickin’ it in the desert for thousands of years, long before domestication and surviving lows in the low double digits.

          • ottlh

            I’m glad I didn’t see that one.

          • geesepeace

            If they were serious about animal issues they would have been reporting on the USDA WS; not once did I see any articles on that disgusting organization.

          • Coppernicus

            What is the WS?

          • geesepeace

            USDA Wildlife “Services”.

            Pulitzer prize winning journalist Tom Knudson did a series of investigative articles on the USDA WS.

            “The Killing Agency – Wildlife Services (USDA WS) brutal methods leaves a trail of animal death.”
            http://www.sacbee.com/wildlife/

            EFFORTS TO INVESTIGATE WILDLIFE SERVICES
            METHODS CONTINUE:

            Two recent documents are drawing renewed attention to the federal government’s wildlife damage control program. One is a bipartisan letter from four members of the U.S. House of Representatives requesting a congressional investigation of
            Wildlife Services, a U.S. Department of Agriculture agency that specializes in killing birds and mammals considered a threat to livestock, the public and the environment.

            http://www.sacbee.com/2012/06/25/4586191/efforts-to-investigate-wildlife.html

            USDA’s own stats on their wildlife killings, over 3 million, for 2012 includes 850,000 cowbirds, 306,000 blackbirds, 76,000 coyotes, 91,000 pigeons, 21,000 double-crested cormorants, squirrels, raccoons, 30,000 beavers, 25,000 Canada geese, and even cats and dogs.

            http://www.aphis.usda.gov/wildlife_damage/prog_data/2012_prog_data/PDR_G/Basic_Tables_PDR_G/Table%20G_ShortReport.pdf

            Pulitzer prize winner Tom Knudson also has a twitter you can follow even if you aren’t on twitter. https://twitter.com/tomsplace

          • Coppernicus

            Let me ask this, We alter the ecosystems so severely we have no choice but to mange wildlife numbers. For example, if you look at routes of the fur trade beaver numbers are estimated to be almost double before trapping started.
            A billion dollar cat lobby protects feral cats but completely ignores millions upon millions of dead birds and then there are less birds and we have to spray for mosquitos and other bugs and then bats get fungal infections. Cowbirds are actually parasitic knocking the eggs out of songbird nests and laying its own but that particular song bird is threatened because of feral cats. It is a never ending cycle that we have to manage. The animals did ask for this but we sure made the mess and are now stuck with it.
            I don’t know where you live but the met council here in mn decided instead of building up the cities sprawl was the best answer, yet another hit to wildlife populations and habitat.
            I certainly don’t have all answers, but I think programs that spay and neuter feral cats is great and perhaps the USDA should dump monies into programs like that.
            I completely agree with drawing attention to the methods used and mitigating suffering and unintentionally killing pets. There is no reason not to live trap nuisance animals in populated areas. But at the end of the day the mess is so great be it habitat destruction, urban sprawl, road ways, what have you. We have to manage out of balance numbers and unfortunately that means some will have to die but the dialogue need to be how do we do that humanely?
            Thanks for the link to Tom, I will start following and reading his articles. Sorry that was so long.

          • geesepeace

            BREAKING: USDA Inspector General to Audit Wildlife Services

            http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/awetzler/breaking_usda_inspector_genera.html

          • Robin S Summertown

            Because you can’t help yourself.

    • Jrlh

      When you lead with a gun story every other day, knowing how divisive that is. Then you *itch about the response you get? Simply amazes me.

      • escribacat

        Yes. I recall that for a long time it was villainous bankers every day. Exactly the sort of stuff that generates outrage. Long ago I began to think of HP as an “outrage generator.” The idea was to get as many outrage clicks as possible — which is why this move actually puzzles me. All those comments added up to a lot of clicks. It doesn’t make sense.

        • Terrapin

          Sure it does – corporate arrogance.

          Take all those clicks, and squeeze every last drop of revenue out of them possible, and then some.

          A few degenerate malcontents may squeak about privacy for a short while – but it will blow over – and this will become the new, ‘grown up’ internet – calmly accepted as ‘normal’ by the 99% for the exclusive benefit of the 1%. As it ever was, as it ever shall be.

          • geesepeace

            I think this click thing is providing them with a lot of wrong information….i generate a LOT of clicks but am not a big consumer and ads have less than 0 effect on me. My clicks are worthless.

          • Robin S Summertown

            Heck, I have a very effective ad blocker but it still generates ad revenue because that’s how they determine the price to charge for an ad. Who does not make out like a bandit are those placing the ads. Well, for people like you and me who don’t spend what we don’t need to.

          • escribacat

            Me too. I am extremely adept at ignoring ads and I’m very careful about which websites I’ll make purchases from.

    • geesepeace

      And their bloggers…’what happened when I had sex 365 days a year’ and more recently two blogs by someone who writes at ‘juicy pink box’.

      • escribacat

        LOL. It’s actually so bad it’s funny. It’s amazing they are still quoted so much by other media outlets as a legitimate news agency. It’s such a rag.

        • geesepeace

          And that one that got thousands of comments, the woman who said her son was assaulted at xmart for wearing a pink headband….she was a notorious liar and had fantastic melodramatic BS all over the internet which many of us looked at. She had no credibility but people were lapping it up and HP should not even have run that silliness.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Juicy Pink Box? Hot damn. I am stealing that. I used to work at a place called The Candy Box. Never mind what they sold.

        • geesepeace

          I think it’s a lesbian website….which is totally OK… but not what I want to see on the front page of my news.

    • RF_Dude

      Good Morning E-cat!

      • escribacat

        Good morning, dude! How are you? I have to admit I’m rather enjoying this whole thing. I went through my withdrawals from HP long ago, during my first realization that they were not what they appeared to be. So I’m not mad or disappointed at all — but do feel empathy for those who are.

        • Robin S Summertown

          It took me until I found this site. Then it was over.

          • escribacat

            Hehe. Must not have been true love!

          • Robin S Summertown

            That marriage had been in trouble since AOL.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Oh yeah. AOL is stupid. They had the cadillac of commenting and fan systems on the old AOL message boards. And AOL killed them in spite of all we who used them could do. I am not at all surprised they killed the HP commenting system.

          • CatrionaMacA

            AOL killed Compuserve in its entirety.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            That was before my time on computers, I think. AOL is a stupid predatory company. i give them no business if I can help it.

    • epazote

      That “neither right nor left” campaign came on news of her selling to AOL (Feb 2011)

    • Sharyn G.

      “Neither right not left.”

      That’s so funny. I didn’t know the middle ground was so fond of Gestapo tactics, like forcing someone to sign up for a website in order to comment.

      Nice job Arianna -

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    Zachary Steiber, I quoted you and your article on my blog.
    http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/2010/10/arianna-is-big-dumb-banana.html

  • Devey Elise

    I will say this…..since I stopped going to the Huff my spam mail has come to a screeching halt. Who knew?! lol

    • Robin S Summertown

      I don’t think that’s the reason. For some reason it seems to be a cycle of lots of spam then none.

  • gshscott

    Glad to see this getting press, I haven’t been back to HP since the switch

    • Sharyn G.

      I have, but only to spread the link back here, which subsequently got me happily BANNED.

      • Robin S Summertown

        And she wears that badge honorably.

        • Sharyn G.

          Yes. I’m a real go-getter. I now have one “BANNED” medal, but I can go for a second. 2 medals are better than one.

  • dvncmdy

    I, for one, am settling nicely into the change. Give other sites a chance to see more traffic….HP will no longer monopolize my time.

    • epazote

      Huff-blows will get none of my time
      I’m very comfortable here, and limit my browsing/comments to ethical sites.

  • Leslie (eserafina42)
    • Devey Elise

      I tweeted that :)

  • BornOkayTheFirstTime
    • escribacat

      No kidding. A press release announcing their amazing success. Well, they are in with the big players now, like National Enquirer.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        The National Enquirer has a better editorial policy – they print facts. No difference in filth and dirt between the two.

      • Sharyn G.

        Just wait until December 20th, that’s the day Facebook joins the S&P 500, the shiz will really start flying around then.

    • ottlh

      Is there a spot where people can comment? I didn’t see anything.

      • BornOkayTheFirstTime

        I looked around the site a bit and other articles have comment sections. Either WSJ doesn’t allow comments on press releases, or they have that one in particular on lockdown. I found it through Google search, looking for articles on the FB debacle.

    • geesepeace

      That is very funny. It reminds me of reading about workers compensation boards. Oh right. The funny thing is they have to take courses to learn how to lie like that. Writing propaganda is a learned art.

  • capkelly

    hERE HERE! hey if someone could tell me how to interact with friends I’d appreciate it. I never could figure it out. I did have a few hundred people who liked what I said but neve rknew how to reach them. Maybe here? Yeah, I have gone to the main page only to look at what is going on, but yesterday when I tried to post got the verification requirement. Do they think I’m so stupid I will give them a link to FB and a phone number??? Then they can even get your SS number. REALLY not safe to do that.

    It’s not the broken promise that bothered me as much as having to be on FB and give a phone no. Total invasion of privacy

    • Lindstr7

      If you mean friends here, you can do a search on your Disqus dashboard. If they kept the same name you will probably find them but I have noticed that many have registered under a different name on Disqus. GOod luck! Many of us are just recognizing old pictures and names because we had so many friends at HP it’s hard to remember all their names. Losts of “Hey I was your fan!” etc.

      • Robin S Summertown

        I just saw that you can change your user name to the one you used on HP if you registered a different one on Disquis.

        • Lindstr7

          Something we could never do on HP. Thanks. (and good morning)

        • Seehowtheyrun

          Yes. I did that yesterday. It was simple to do.

          • Robin S Summertown

            Then your ears must have been burning because it was you that I was thinking about but so sleep deprived all I could remember was the cat. LOL

    • Canukistani

      Isn’t it in their new terms and conditions of use that ‘anything you say can be taken down to be used against you’?

    • Sharyn G.

      And the fact that huff wanted us to blindly accept orders from them with regards to a company they had just the PREVIOUS WEEK reported they’d been hacked and passwords compromised.

      But please, trust Facebook-

    • geesepeace

      It’s also a total invasion of privacy to give them your friends and access to your newsfeed. When you do that you are betraying your friends too without them even knowing it. Obviously that didn’t bother some people.

  • Algebra Palin

    there’s something wrong with the time stamp over here.

    • Json

      For some reason it likes to put you most recent comment at the top.
      If you click on the “Newest” tab and click “newest” again, it puts everything back in order. (I think…)

      • Algebra Palin

        no, i was referring to the time stamp of the posts.
        like, i typed something twenty minutes ago and it came up as 3 hours ago.

        • Robin S Summertown

          They did mention there were a few issues that were being worked on. That wasn’t mentioned at the time but as on top of things as they’ve been I’ll bet the know about it.

          • Algebra Palin

            oh,alright.

            thanks.

    • fauxmccoy

      check on your account settings and make sure you have the right GMT set. as far as i can tell, i do not seem to be experiencing an issue with the time stamp.

  • justanaverageguy

    The “Powers That Be” have set up the WWW HTML version of the internet along with social media as addictive tools, knowing full well that the masses would readily disclose their most private gut feelings and beliefs thinking they were anonymous, thus allowing the creation of the logging of searches, sites and automated dossiers on users.

    They knew that the interaction social media creates would become an addictive marketing tool that would serve their mission to enhance profits in the entertainment and ad business as both are offshoots of Hollywood.

    A move to squelch and muzzle the concept of internet anonymity was introduced by Mark Zuckerberg’s sister http://www.voiceofgreyhat.com/2011/08/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerbergs-sister.html. It was solely intended to enhance media power and to reduce candid critical political discussion and especially about countries or groups or anything that the politically correct police have deemed unspeakable.

    • Robin S Summertown

      Saw that earlier. More and more we have to be careful of what we say and do. Its sort of like when we were kids and the grownups would mention little pictures with big ears if we were near by.

    • Mugzi

      I was a HP junky, but refuse to use FB and certainly not a phone #!!! It’s a repub AOL means of control -it’s always a repub thing :) that I object to! Personally, I liked the lively discussions…people did get alittle heated up, but isn’t that what lively means!!! Besides, wasn’t that what “moderators” suppose to do…nope – I’m done with HP!!!

      • Sharyn G.

        I was a daily user at the huff until they DEMANDED that I use FB. How stupid to give orders to people and expect them to think its okay.

  • Granite Skyline

    Arianna is a vile and ruthless human being.

    http://shameproject.com/profile/arianna-huffington/

    • dvncmdy

      Ha! That’s great!

    • epazote

      Has anyone tweeted that ? Maybe with an enticing leader (the real AH)

  • WaronWomen

    Today on CNNmoney, a very revealing article on your (lack of) privacy.

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney)

    Data collected from your smartphone is shaping the future of marketing — and cell phone companies are cashing in.

    What your phone knows about you — where you are, what you’re searching for and what you like — is mouthwatering for advertisers. Combined with other third-party data, including your age and salary range, marketers are using cell phone customers’ information to make decisions about how they advertise….AT&T (T, Fortune 500) and T-Mobile (TMUS) told CNNMoney they sell anonymized and aggregated data, but they would not comment in more detail about those services.Sprint (S, Fortune 500)declined to comment for this story.

    The fact that the carriers’ programs are based on the sharing of deeply personal details can be unsettling to customers. Lewis, the Verizon spokeswoman, stressed that the data can’t be traced back to an individual, and that subscribers have the ability to opt out of sharing their data.

    One privacy expert says that isn’t enough. Peter Eckersley, the technology projects director of the digital rights advocate Electronic Frontier Foundation, thinks the data being shared are too valuable for carriers to share without active approval from users.

    http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/16/technology/mobile/wireless-carrier-sell-data/

    • Robin S Summertown

      And yet some can not understand that FB can be such a danger to their privacy and safety.

      • geesepeace

        At this point I’m not that concerned about data mining for advertising…what I am concerned about is profiling by everybody and their dog. And if people don’t think that will happen…they are sadly mistaken. At one time hyperbole and exaggeration were acceptable figures of speech….if you said ‘i’m gonna kill you’ that was understood as mock outrage. Today if you write like that, using exaggeration to express strong emotions, you will be profiled as a killer, psycho, etc. Our government has already said environmental activists and animal rights advocates are terrorists….so you just have to wonder what would they do with fairly benign comments people make. We are just in a very orwellian time here.

        • Devey Elise

          YES. Exactly.

    • dvncmdy

      What really annoys me the most is the blatant hypocrisy of HP. They blast the NSA and yet turn around and do the exact same friggin thing, they data mine. Great post by the way

      • Sharyn G.

        That whole nasty bit about “outcry.” What a bunch of jerks. I’d expect outcry at a slaughterhouse, too, you know?

        • dvncmdy

          hahahahaha..

          • tense641

            x’s 2

    • tense641

      HP’s decision is making more sense now. thanks

  • Lindstr7

    Wow, I’d love to see a tally of how many people from HP have migrated over here. ALSO as a reminder….If you have Twitter…Tweet! about TheEpochTimes.com to get the word out. And if you are so inclined and have a Facebook account to “Like” This article (just above comments or at the top of the article). So many new faces……Take THAT and stick it in your hat Arianna Puffington!

    • Robin S Summertown

      Well, we could follow everyone here and how ever many we’re following would give us a good ball park. Thought that one up at midnight last night as I finally put this site to bed.

      And I’ve got so many Tweets out there about the ETimes that its not funny. Most tagged on to HP’s touting its great new FB deal. And found a couple of HP announcing they quit the site and invited them. Where’s my paycheck?

      • Lindstr7

        I know right? Sort of feels like a full time job! But it’s passion that’s driving us not the almighty dollar eh? That is an EXCELLENT idea….lets see. Lots of new faces here today so I’d best get tallying.

        • Canukistani

          Yeah, even a rough number would be good to know. Any mods around that might tell us or is the pictue muddled to them as well with so many of us landing in a big heap?

          • Lindstr7

            Hey, you know that site that shows HPs numbers? Maybe there is one for Epoch Times as well?

          • Canukistani

            I poked around there yesterday but if it’s there I couldn’t find it.

            Course by that time I was having a hard time seeing straight after being here for a good part of the day. I expect that didn’t happen to anyone else though :-)

    • geesepeace

      I have already posted this article on BOTH my FB accounts….my real one and my fake one!!!

    • wtf0804hydroponics

      I migrated over here, I keeps my name the same on most sites

      with wtf0804 at the beginning.

  • Algebra Palin

    this is a really beautiful site here.

    i saw a comment that said, ‘sandy hook is a hoax.’ and i was like, ‘wow that was an awesomely stupid post. but i got to READ IT!!!! YAY!!!’

    • Robin S Summertown

      It is, I hope our presence benefits it in some way.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      Second that. I love Trolls. They keep things lively.

      • Sharyn G.

        There must be so many bridges being built.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          LOL.

          • Sharyn G.

            You know, it’s good for the economy-

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            True. Bridges need tolls. Tolls need tolltakers. Trolls need tolltaker traps. It all works out.

    • Lindstr7

      There was some discussion about trolls yesterday. If they should happen to show up here (ironically a good sign if they do) it’s probably best to just ignore them (don’t feed the trolls!) and to not even -neg their comments because any number to them is a good number. I’d hate to see HP send them over here to dirty up our little Refugee camp.

  • Sharyn G.

    “Soni, explaining the new policy, said: ‘We are capable of doing far worse things to one another when we do not have to own up to the things we do. The mob grants its members the gift of anonymity.’”

    Yeah- like what they did to us. And like they said, they ignored the “outcry.”

    What’s the difference? They impose orders. That’s total Gestapo mentality.

    • Robin S Summertown

      Good morning to you. Have you read our newest story on ET? Or are we posting on it now, I’m getting so confused.

      • Lindstr7

        This is the new one. I have both up on my tabs. “mass exodus” is the new one. “New Comment Requirements” is the original. (With hopefully more to come.)

        • Robin S Summertown

          I had to run to town to get a script, I’ve been clicking on the upside of 100 new comments but it keeps saying 100 so you guys need to slow down.

          I have both sections up too and I keep getting confused on where I am.

          • Lindstr7

            Type slower? lol, okay.

      • Sharyn G.

        I am trying to catch up. There’s so much to read!! Happy Monday.

    • Lindstr7

      “The Mob?” What’s that mean. Does that make us a “Mob?” Fagedabbaaadit (sp)

      • Sharyn G.

        They probably have all kinds of names for us now. They only love their flock, even though it was always us, the loyal mega-clickers, who got them to where they are.

    • geesepeace

      Well Alphonse Capone never had a problem using his real name either.

  • red russet

    SInce AOL is the parent company of Huffpost, for which they paid 325 million or thereabouts, it’s only logical to look at AOL and wonder if a big infusion of cash might be more than welcome right about now. Granted, no one in business would ever turn up their nose at a big infusion of cash but it so happens that the CEO of AOL, Tim Armstrong, a NYT article states, just the other day announced he finally has to call it quits on his big mega-expensive project, Patch Media, and eat that 300 million loss. Patch Media, a collection of local news sites, was his baby, having helped invent it. Additionally Tim is no stranger to generating megabucks out of marketing, having been head of Google’s Americas Operation, where he generated huge advertising revenue. He obviously decided last summer it was time to pull the trigger on cashing in on the assets of HuffPo.

    • AskandTell

      That why I personally believe AOL and their hands-on board don’t want to invest any more money in the commenting platform and have sold the HP assets/ accounts to FB. Half of their traffic comes from outside of the US which is where they see the greatest potential for advertising dollars.

      Taking my personal feelings out of the equation, this is what corporations do. Their CEO and board have a fiduciary responsibility to make as much money as possible.

      • Denni A

        that does make a whole lot more sense, especially about selling the ‘assets’ to FB.

    • fauxmccoy

      glad to see you here!

    • Lindstr7

      Thanks for that. I’m completely in the dark about the financial health of these companies. I don’t understand a lot of it or where to find the info, so anything you bring to the party on that angle is GREATLY appreciated. THank you.

  • Seehowtheyrun

    I just heard from Tissa:

    Thanks Michelle C.! I didn’t have a facebook account either—I shut it down after being hacked twice a year ago. They enouraged me to open one just to sign in with no info.

    I feel bad because so many good people are leaving. :-( Give everyone my best, and hopefully I will check out epoch times.

    She knows we’re here, hopefully she’ll make it over.

  • wtf0804hydroponics

    I am surprised they did not allow confirmation of your real name with

    google+, only needed a 2nd email account for XBOX live.

    • Lindstr7

      Because a cell phone number is worth SO MUCH MORE.

  • AskandTell

    Reddit has banned any linking to HuffingtonPost on their politics pages. Moderators criteria for the ban is sites that participate in sensationalist titles and provide lots of “bad journalism.”

    Ouch but guilty as charged (especially their use of sensationalist titles).

    http://www.politico.com//blogs/media/2013/11/reddit-politics-moderators-ban-huffington-post-fox-176542.html

    • Seehowtheyrun

      They also banned Mother Jones. Personally, I don’t like to see any of them banned because it just comes across as Reddit trying to control the dialog.

      • Lindstr7

        Good point. But I think they’re making the connection between sensationalism and profit.

        • Seehowtheyrun

          They’ve also banned any links to articles mentioning the changes and they haven’t banned Fox News, just Fox Nation.

          • Lindstr7

            On Reddit? that’s just weird.

          • Seehowtheyrun

            Yes. There’s a story on politico about it. It’s in Dylan Byers blog.

          • herefornow

            Controlling elements seem intent on infiltrating every source under the sun.

        • Seehowtheyrun

          The reasoning they gave is:

          to reduce the number of blogspam submissions and sensationalist titles” and to avoid sites that provide lots of “bad journalism.”

          I can see that applying to Fox Nation, the National review, and HP, but not of Mother Jones.

          • Lindstr7

            I agree about Mother Jones. They’re legendary, been around since the 60s or 70s

          • AskandTell

            I save their print editions; such great articles. Same with the print versions of The Nation.

          • AskandTell

            I am in agreement; didn’t understand the Mother Jones ban. Their articles aren’t fluff..instead go deep into the issues.

      • BornOkayTheFirstTime
  • Sharyn G.

    All the gum-flapping from HP about trolls and offensive comments is such inane lies and drivel. I had been there since 11, had 4,000 friends, used my real name and photo and never said a nasty thing UNTIL they decided to force me into joining Facebook. Only at that point did my comments lead me to be ceremoniously banned. Ha!

    Didn’t their mommies ever tell them they’ll catch more flies with honey? Giving a person no options and only orders is a sure way to turn them into your enemy.

    Huff should pay attention to ancient Chinese wisdom:

    “”If we do not change the course we are on, we will surely get where we are headed.”

    • Lindstr7

      I can not believe they thought the users who make (made) up HP would fall for such a thing. Did they forget who their audience was? D’oh!

      • Sharyn G.

        They really did. I mean, hello, we are the ones who usually dug up the truth behind the articles and posted links proving otherwise.

        • herefornow

          Maybe that’s why they did a purging. They only want slow-witted, gullible posters?!!!

          • Sharyn G.

            Makes perfect sense. They take orders better and are easier to herd into their respective pens.

            Baaaaaaa.

    • Johnnymoreno

      More stick than carrot. I tried asking if there was some sort of punitive mechanism involved i.e., “WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE– and if you post things people don’t like, we will “out you” to you’re enemies” How else could the new policy ensure civility?
      Needless to say, my honest question didn’t make it past the mods.

      • Sharyn G.

        And lately you were really lucky if your comment even posted. So many disappeared that I’d begun typing them on the notepad so I had a backup copy to repost later. How much trouble was that? So glad it’s over.

        • Johnnymoreno

          Many, many of my bon mots have been lost in the ether. A tragic loss to all of posterity. ;-)

  • Lindstr7

    I’m very curious about profit from data mining. Just how much IS data worth? Is that something you can actually get a number for or is it all speculation.

    • dvncmdy

      I think it…I mean WE are worth a lot of money.

      • geesepeace

        Makes you wonder how Henry Ford survived.

        • herefornow

          Raw talent and authentic, instinctive business savvy. –So rare these days.

      • Denni A

        bingo!…WE have become the commodity.

        • dvncmdy

          Well….we refugees sure are giving HP a run for THAT money. They can’t buy us!

          • dvncmdy

            Or sell us!

            Arianna is a P I M P

          • Denni A

            it’s not just HP, it’s the entire corporate world.
            Bill Moyers had a great segment on this topic about two weeks ago
            I highly recommend folks take a look at it on his website.
            he interviewed an author who had the most eloquent way of describing what is becoming of American society through globalization and corporatization. you will see huffpo and FB in that prism.

          • dvncmdy

            I know…as soon as we log onto the internet we become a commodity. I can go to a website and then be somewhere else and “oddly” that website I was on I suddenly see ad’s for.

    • Denni A

      the data is worth everything to a business entity it’s what keeps them in business.
      anyone who tries to steal a donor list(example) from another organization will pay big time. the data is the most important asset it has no price-tag since without it the entity goes defunct…imagine stealing all the inventory from Costco.

      • geesepeace

        Businesses succeeded before the internet and data mining. People have to buy toothpaste and will do it without ads telling them which toothpaste makes them irresistible.

        • Denni A

          true, but the internet gave businesses a whole new marketing realm to canvas and survey, you can’t blame them, I would do the same if I were a big corp or organization. remember an entity like FB has nothing tangible to sell all it has is a vast and far-reaching member list that spans the globe, tens of millions of people(and all their connections) and personal information all in ONE PLACE.

          • geesepeace

            True but for many of us ads have zero effect. They could all be wasting their money on this premise.

          • Terrapin

            Which kind of toothpaste do you use, and why ? (rhetorical)

            We are all immersed in ads, more so than ever, both consciously and unconsciously – it’s impossible to escape their effects. You can minimize or resist, yes, to some degree. But it’s not a multi-billion dollar industry because it’s an ineffective waste of money. And now we’ve reached the stage of precisely quantifying and monetizing every nuance of people’s thoughts, whims, desires, etc. Which is what this whole HPFB thing is all about.

            Horrifying prospect in my view – but hundreds of millions of people seem to love and embrace it. And there’s no going back.

          • Denni A

            Terrapin – you hit the 300 million jackpot with that comment. spot on!

          • Coppernicus

            Target has the ability to send everyone an individualized coupon book. They do see the creep factor so in stead they include the targeted coupons in a mixed coupon booklet. I’m still creeped out.

          • Terrapin

            Me too.

            It’s too much. Way, way, way too much. The shiny happy corporate vision for the 21st Century makes my skin crawl.

      • AskandTell

        Exactly what led to Bachmann’s trial scheduled for this May in Iowa. Stealing the database of home school families in order to target them. It is a big deal.

        • Lindstr7

          Weren’t you looking for BlueEyedBull yesterday. They’re here.

          • AskandTell

            Thanks Lindstr. She was here last night and got a chance to say hello.

          • herefornow

            Has anyone seen Coinyer?

          • AskandTell

            I thought he was still posting on HP.

          • herefornow

            His farewell appeared on my notification page but was evidently deleted not long after. Then he popped up to say he’d stay to protest, but he’ll likely turn up on other sites to test the water.

          • AskandTell

            Thanks good; hope he pops up here to test the waters.

        • Denni A

          so THAT’S the reason she has decided to bow out in 2014 and is not running for re-election. I knew she was being investigated for something but didn’t know it ‘stealing data’ from another source.

    • AskandTell

      In the media buying world, the more data you have on customers – the more targeted your advertising (direct ads or indirect/ news articles which are really ads) can be. Facebook has changed advertising as big data can now track your potential customers every move; the goal is understanding what makes them tick and will motivate them. Advertising can mean anything from selling toothpaste to a issue such as fracking to a political candidate.

  • Araxiel

    Got to say, since I’ve discovered the Epoch Times, I have zero motivation to ever visit HP again, even if they do change their absurd “FaceBook verification” policy. I hope they lose lots of money. They deserve to.

    • Lindstr7

      I’m with you. I feel betrayed. I feel like they insulted my intelligence. I feel used. I feel misled. I feel lots of things and not one of them is gratitude from HP for being a loyal member for years. Now? I just feel motivated to see HP go down.

      • abxnomore

        I initially felt all of those things but now I don’t care. I feel free of a bad habit of participating on a bad site. It’s fine with me, however, if they go down!

    • geesepeace

      I’ve also found I’m not that interested in news after all….it didn’t do me a lot of good to know everything that was going on in the world. I may go back to TV or radio for news, i hear it and it’s done with.

      • abxnomore

        I get your drift but TV news these days is mostly gossip. CNN is a totally joke. I don’t even own a TV. Gave it away when I relocated but yes there’s not much good news out there. :-(

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          I think there might be plenty of good news out there but bad news keeps us in line and spending money.
          And “If it bleeds it leads.”

          • abxnomore

            Al Jazeera and the BBC has real news.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Agree. We used to have real news.

      • CatrionaMacA

        It can get overwhelming, and people need breaks from time to time. I do urge you to stay with it though.

        Please understand that for the first time in history people are communicating to each other in real time from countries all over the world. (I’m writing to you from Glasgow, Scotland.) For the first time in human history we have the option to know… really KNOW… what is happening. We no longer have to rely on the false information and propaganda that governments and monied interests choose to tell us.

        When I’m in the US, I notice how bloody bad the US press and media really are. I always end up going to some European site to find out what’s going on.

      • Lindstr7

        I believe that pols and the media used HP to float policy ideas to measure public reaction. It WAS a mainstream collective voice of those leaning left. Now its just a profit machine.

    • dvncmdy

      Right on!

    • abxnomore

      I’m with you. Toward the end I was clicking on it out of habit.

      • tense641

        I was doing that also…habit is all.

      • CatrionaMacA

        I found the new comment system unworkable, making ‘conversations’ VERY difficult to follow.

        • geesepeace

          I saw one commenter on HP today say she had got TWO messages when she made a comment; one that it was a ‘sensitive’ subject and her comment would be delayed, and two that her comment was being moderated and would appear shortly. Seriously….great dialogue there.

          • CatrionaMacA

            Increasingly, posting there became a waste of time.

          • takawalk

            I saw that too, and Tim McDonald is politely shoveling out manure.

        • RF_Dude

          Hi CatrionaMacA – the new format already had many experienced posters on the verge of leaving, the FB thing just lit the fuse.

          We needed to get out of that place, HP provided the boot-kick (unwittingly) and here we are in a better place!

          • Canukistani

            And here I thought that when people started to say I was gone to a better place I wouldn’t be around to hear it :-) Just shows how wrong you can be.

        • abxnomore

          That was their goal when they installed the new posting format, to make conversation cumbersome and difficult to follow thereby break ing up networks especially of the more savvy, long time posters.

          • GallopingGoat

            I think it was to get more clicks. Suddenly you needed to go through multiple steps to read the whole conversation.

        • GallopingGoat

          This forced relocation has been a wake-up call for me. I’m loving this site. I just wish there were more political articles.

    • geesepeace

      There’s a sucker born every minute so they may continue to gain readers.

  • RF_Dude

    @Epoch – I have seen requests for this article from expat HPers in other countries. Has this been posted to any other country sites at Epoch yet? If so, I will be happy to post links at Poynter.

    Thanks again for these stories! It’s news that people around the world need to know, keep up the great work!

    • Lindstr7

      YEs. Another comment mentioned HP expanding to India and China. I wonder how big facebook is over there and if they’ll require those users to link to a Facebook account too.

      • RF_Dude

        A commenter from Italy on the Poynter thread was looking for links to Epoch or some similar site for the Italiano Diaspora from HP.

        We are SO lucky that Epoch and Poynter are here to catch the migration, more come in each day.

        Yes, I believe the FB thing was implemented across all HP sites worldwide. They are facing the same problem, and are looking for their own Huffugee sites.

        I hope there is something there for them, HP’s growth area is in international and many over there will not go FB for even more reasons than we have expressed here in N.America.

        • Lindstr7

          Well, Epoch is in “35 countries, 21 languages and growing” I DO hope they publish these articles in some of those countries that are affected by this new HP policy.

          • RF_Dude

            Co-sign Linds! That Italian poster says HP-italy is a ghost-town there, just like HP here. It’s hitting them worldwide, many people looking for alternatives.

            This must be especially troublesome to HP, as they have been trying to expand overseas and were just starting up markets in many countries. Users there were not as ‘entrenched’ as they have been here – many of us were at HP 6-5-7 years, totally addicted, they don’t start with that user-base in the new countries! :D

  • JainDohNYC

    re the article above: so many people are upset because we know HP’s new policy isn’t about “civility” at all. As it’s been pointed out, we can still create fake IDs on FB, ensuring we remain anonymous.

    another reason HP’s decision is so galling is that, altho there’s a troll problem there now, it could’ve been easily controlled if they weren’t too cheap to hire more mods (we’ve suggested as much to them over the months, only to be met with a resounding silence).

    and, of course, we know that it’s HP’s fault for the troll infestation in the first place. post-AOL merger, they went out of their way to recruit new users from other AOL sites. And that included posting totally inflammatory ledes on AOL’s home page with scary-looking pics of Obama that read things like, “Will Obamacare Ruin America”?” or “Will Obama Take Your Guns?” and a link to the HP story, ensuring that the older and whiter crowd of AOL users were sufficiently angry and worked up by the time they came to post.

    HP encouraged those comments for the first 18 months or so, because they happily pumped up #s of page views and clicks and unique visitors. Now they’re complaining that they can’t control their Troll Monster?

    it’s all a smokescreen anyway. most of us know that the reason for the new FB log-in has more to do with $$ and data mining and ad revenue than anything else. I was at HP for 8 yrs, and with all the changes of the past 3 months (including their crappy new commenting format), am more than happy to say goodbye.

    • Devey Elise

      I moved to the Huff when Yahoo took a dive with it’s format. Now I’m at Epoch because the Huff has lost it’s mind. It goes around and around.

    • geezer 56

      Kinda like the GOP pandering to the tea party and then complaining that they’re getting out of hand. You reap what you sow.

      • JainDohNYC

        exactly!

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        And you reap it faster than ever because of the Net. Scares the bejeezus out of those in charge.

  • Sharyn G.

    Huff wanted the trolls to leave, so they said. Okay we know its about money, but…they spoke of trolls and yet the people who left are us good folk. The researchers and diggers and people who actually added value to the comment sections. It’s almost like when they spoke of wanting to get rid of trolls they were projecting. Look at the articles they were writing, THEY were the ones doing the trolling. They trolled for clicks 24/7 with articles meant to make people fight. Things like “25 Things Women Need To Stop Doing.” Those threads got nasty. And their gun threads? And all the side boobs and Miley Cyrus. It was turning into Hateville, but huff was stoking those flames, not us.

    • RF_Dude

      Exactly right, Sharyn. The site was exactly the way HP management wanted it, except they were hoping we would all stop hanging on one or two threads and turn into good little clickbots!

      • Denni A

        “clickbots”…I like that, pretty much describes how they see us.

        • RF_Dude

          Thanks DenniA – we were just a commodity at HP, who sold our clicks to the highest bidder!

      • Sharyn G.

        Nice!

    • Jrlh

      Yep Shar and some of the people I got the most derogatory replies from are the ones still there!!

      • Sharyn G.

        Oh I bet! They can have it!

    • Classical_Gas

      HP has degenerated into a reeking tabloid. We have outgrown it. Let it lie, it will continue it’s downward slide.

      We are better than that – let us use what we’ve learned and move on.

      • Sharyn G.

        It’s true. It got embarrassing.

      • Denni A

        couldn’t have said it better. I have already left huffpo behind along with my username, fans, friends and everything else associated with it. I have a new name here, am eager and ready to help build a new and better community with new friends and new fans with huffpo now becoming a distant, fading memory… a bad one at that.

    • geezer 56

      Right on, Sharyn. I fell for their inflammatory tactics more than once. And yet they have the gall to insist that this is all about increasing civility. Was it civil for them to go back on their word that only our user names would ever be displayed? Was it civil to say existing users would be grandfathered in and then to go back on that, too? I have a list as long as my arm about how uncivil HP has been to its readers & commenters.

      • Sharyn G.

        Truth.

        It is a most uncivil war-

      • RF_Dude

        Not only uncivil of HP, but downright… Words fail me!

        Registering your IRL name with HP was always part of the sign-up, they already had many IRL names in their database. Verifying through FB was viewed with distrust, and when they finally lured many users in and those users found their IRL name displayed – totally against any ethical standard – is beyond imagination!

        HP had stated in the runup to FB-verification that you could keep your pseudonym and your IRL name would only be filed deep inside the HP ‘lock-box’… Well, it didn’t actually get implemented that way, and once users signed up and found their IRL name prominently displayed they found they could NOT go back and change it!

        It even runs counter to HP’s own Privacy Policy which clearly says “Please exercise caution when deciding to disclose any personal information in public activities or submissions. ”

        Duh!

        • Classical_Gas

          That’s the betrayal that most infuriates me, RF. They have to be aware that they’re putting people in danger by doing that.

          Can you say “class-action lawsuit”? I knew you could!

  • herefornow

    Huffington Post has become as stubbornly self-destructive as the modern day Republican party. They’ve repulsed their most thoughtful members and are now a mere shell of their former selves.

    • Gov William J LePetomane

      In other words “Thoughful” means agreeing with your side. Feel free to go play in traffice, Libtard.

      • herefornow

        The use of the word “libtard” indicates you’re definitely not one of the more thoughtful ones, Governor, but thanks for making my point by being a typically stunted right-wing representative.

        • dvncmdy

          The i d i o t s have arrived

        • geezer 56

          Flag him and bag him. Don’t feed him!

          • Jrlh

            lol…. I Did!

      • Jrlh

        Sorry there are no leanings here….Bye

    • dvncmdy

      Great analogy….love it!

  • Johnnymoreno

    The day HuffPo allowed the trolls to savagely attack Antoinette Tuff, the woman who talked the gunman down at the Georgia school last Aug., and deleted my outraged responses, made me sick to my guts. I should have closed my account then. Better late than never.

    • RF_Dude

      Don’t feel too bad, Johnnymoreno – we’ve all been there with similar experiences.

      ‘Better late than never’ for ALL of us! Welcome!

  • Badd Jones

    ““I feel that freedom of expression is given to people who stand up for what they say and [are] not hiding behind anonymity,”
    Arianna Huffington
    Just another ignorant liberal who thinks freedom is something that’s given to you.

    • Lindstr7

      Do you mean “Just another liberal who thinks freedom is something that is NOT given to you?”

      • dvncmdy

        The Trolls have found us……didn’t take long

        • Lindstr7

          yes! This is probably good news though. Remember to IGNORE! lol (itchy finger just wants to NEG NEG NEG!)

        • Lindstr7

          I actually thought the guy made a typo….lol!

      • Badd Jones

        No, I meant what I said, as did she. She feels freedom of expression is to be ‘given’ only to those who conform to her standards.

    • dvncmdy

      Can we PLEASE leave political affiliations OUT of this for once? Most of us that have left are Liberals…and Arianna is a DINO anyway….she will soon be a DINOsaur

      The trolls have arrived

    • Robin S Summertown

      Watch it. I vote way more Dem these days than I do Repub.

      Adamantly stating something as fact does not make it true.

      • Badd Jones

        So, she lied when she said it?

        • Robin S Summertown

          Sorry, I thought you were talking about us here. We’re trying to avoid the issue. There is one other up top right now that could be a problem.

    • geesepeace

      Yeah I am going to hand over my privacy for the privilege of standing up for my opinion that paulina gretzky is a narcissistic nit. Arianna greatly overestimates the importance of 70% of their tabloid/porn quality content.

      • geezer 56

        Did you catch that front-page headline the other day, “Why Girl-on-Girl Action Is on the Rise”? Another one was “What Your Favorite Cheese Says About You.” Good grief!

        • geesepeace

          Oh yes…..and ‘i love my fat…’what happened when I had sex 365 days of the year’…..’everything you were afraid to ask a lesbian about sex’. by some blogger who writes on ‘juicy pink box’….kindergarteners would have been in their glory reading this stuff. I wasn’t.

        • ottlh

          I really don’t know how I’ll survive not knowing what my favourite cheese says about me….. probably that I like cheese.

    • geesepeace

      PS…..why do we have secret ballots at elections?

    • Lindstr7

      Save your “liberal baiting” for when we find a new home. At this stage we’re re-grouping and protesting HPs new policy. You’re welcome here but just be fair warned…there are moderators here.

    • CatrionaMacA

      Whomever owns the Website gets to control what is said on that Website. If we don’t like it we can leave.

      I left.

    • Classical_Gas

      She is not now, and has never been, a liberal. Do some research on that steadfast supporter of The Newt.

      She is a staunch 1%er. One of yours, embrace her.

  • Lindstr7

    This mass exodus seems unprecedented. I can’t shake the feeling that we’re witnessing and part of a sea change in how businesses and social media websites interact. Should HP tank from users just saying NO to their new policy (I’m envisioning a fire sale to Rupert Murdoch), many businesses may take note and adjust their policies. Am I living in a fantasy world or could we really affect change here.

    • Jrlh

      And….It’s not like being a part of history or something….But Hey! Were a part of history or something!!

    • RF_Dude

      My #1 hope for the internet community is that other operations who are watching HP see what a dismal failure HP’s move was and decide NOT to go the same route!

      HP is a test case for online commenting – how this turns out will determine the future of online commenting for everybody.

    • RF_Dude

      We have made a huge change already! Now it is up to media sources like Epoch and Poynter and others to get this story out!

      Twitter, for those who use it, can help here a LOT. Any channel that will listen – we need toget the word out so other communities will not experience the same disaster!

    • RChinook

      That would be so awesome! What HuffPost is trying to do has nothing to do with trolls! You Tube has done the same thing by making us sign up w/Google + & using our real names! Its about $ but its also about oppression! The powers @ be are slowly dismantling Progressive Radio. I live in WA state & we lost our Seattle Progressive Radio station 1090, same with Portland, OR. Norman Goldman & Stephanie Miller are getting axed from certain stations. Who own Clear Channel? Bain Capitol. I can get on IHeart Radio, but who owns IHeart Radio? Clear Channel too! CNN is basically another Fox News…

    • leden

      That accounts more for the media silence than any control measures from the HP side, imo. Other outlets are quietly watching and waiting to see how things play out. If it goes well for HP, they will implement their own data-mining strategy. If it goes poorly, they will take some version of a “we’re the good guys” stance and loot HP’s corpse as best they can. The vultures are just biding their time.

      This could prove to be one of those pivotal moments.

    • CatrionaMacA

      “…(I’m envisioning a fire sale to Rupert Murdoch)….”

      Och! From your keyboard to God’s retina.

  • JainDohNYC

    another point about this article and Quantcast’s HP data:

    in addition to page views, clicks, and UV’s falling off in the past few days (which was to be expected), Quantcast tracks other data as well:

    Web Traffic Frequency (almost exactly the same for US and Global Users)

    1% of “addicts” are responsible for 31% of all visits

    35% of “regulars” are responsible for 49% of all visits

    64% of “passerbys” comprise 20% of all visits.

    Granted, math and statistics are not my strong suit (I am so totes a word-girl), but assuming the mass exodus from HP comes largely from the “addict” and “regular” pools which, combined, comprise 80% of all HP’s traffic, does HP expect their casual users, the “passerbys,” to start accounting for more than 20% of their traffic??

    or is that where HP’s new strategy of attracting “more sophisticated users” comes in?

    because we all know FB is home to the global elite, the crème de la crème, the sophisticates of the world…..

    • Robin S Summertown

      Glad you posted that, I was too fried this morning to look at more than the pretty down blue stuff.

    • Lindstr7

      can you please post that link? I wanted to see if EpochTimes is on there and if it shows any increase in their numbers.

      • Robin S Summertown

        try quantcast.com I didn’t make it a clickable link so you’ll have to copy and paste.

      • JainDohNYC

        I just checked. looks like they don’t have an account there, which means they don’t really track it.

        actually, there was an estimated/partial look at a very generic graph of their traffic. Epoch Times has been consistently trending upward over the past 6 months. but I don’t know how solid a source it is since they don’t have an account.

        here’s the link if you wanna look yourself (I tried to look at just the last month of data, but the closest I could get was Oct, which was still trending up). lol, come Jan, I’d like to see what Dec looked like!

        https://www.quantcast.com/theepochtimes.com

        • Lindstr7

          Thanks. I’d like to see what the last four days looks like.

    • fauxmccoy

      ha! that will put their knickers in a knot for sure!

  • Aaron_Burr

    The combination of the ridiculous recent changes to their commenting system – the absurd “conversations” system – combined with this absurd change will guarantee a massive exodus of posters, leaving them with just their toadies, liberal Kool aid drinkers and psychophants. Hook to facebook to make a blog post? Puleeeze. I don’t use facebook ever and I’m hardly likely to sign up to keep posting on some blog site. Been an HP member since 2006 but they can count me out. Who want’s their zomboids looking you up on facebook and showing up on your front yard?

    I expect traffic will be down 70-80% within 30 days. Since their advertising is mostly CPM, the drop in traffic will also result in a massive drop in advertising revenue. Expect a policy reversal or a bankruptcy. Frankly, at this point I don’t care either way.

    • Robin S Summertown

      AOL has come pretty close in the past, why change?

    • RChinook
    • Lindstr7

      Not to worry. Lots of liberals here to keep you occupied. Welcome!

      • Aaron_Burr

        Thank you. I like a feisty but civil clash of ideas. Snarky trolls from any side ruin it for everybody.

        • Lindstr7

          You’re welcome. I do hope we can keep it civil since HP turned into a cesspool akin to Bonobos flinging poo across the aisle. Ad homenim attacks are useless really. I’m guilty myself over at HP but I’m turning a page on that and this is the perfect opportunity to start fresh.

  • Lindstr7

    I love having the option to “ignore”

    • Coppernicus

      Wow that is great, nothing left but a name.

  • Terrapin

    Wonder if any of the celeb guest-bloggers might take a stand ?

    Robert Reich, Marty Kaplan, Bill Moyers… et al. Do you all approve of the hpfb borg assimilation ? Is it even Prog to post on ‘Maggie’s Farm’ anymore ? (was it ever ?)

    And if the comment counts continue to languish in mere double-digits, what kind of mass ‘platform’ is HP anyway ?

    • Lindstr7

      Wouldn’t that be grand. Unfortunately, they’re probably too busy “branding” themselves to notice (well maybe with the exception of bill moyers).

      • AskandTell

        Love Bill Moyers almost as much as my love for Rachel Maddow.

        • RF_Dude

          Rachel would be another good one to reach-out to! This is exactly the kind of story she goes after – it’s topical, it’s online, and it’s a huge community shattered by Corporate boardroom $$ – grubbing!

          • AskandTell

            You are right; this little story does encapsulate the bigger issues of corporate greed and selling US citizens’ personal information at the same time writing letters to the President claiming outrage about NSA doing the same.

    • Sharyn G.

      Bill Moyers is one of my favorite people in the world. I loved his Joseph Campbell interviews. I saw them in high school and they paved the way for all my future study.

    • RF_Dude

      Excellent idea, Terrapin! Any and all channels should be used – it would be good if some here reached out to those people (especially Bill Moyers – talk about a HUGE microphone!) to get this story out!

    • RF_Dude

      The MSNBC lineup? And where is Keith O. – can we pull him away from his sports gig for a little while? ;-)

      NPR, Radio Pacifica, Bill Maher, Bill O’Rile’emup? (just kidding about that last one! ;-) )

      Not only has the Progressive voice been shut-down at HP, the other major outlets do not provide similar forums for exchange of ideas between (real) Conservatives and Progressives like we used to do on the pre-AOL HP.

    • Terrapin

      So much for that quaint notion – i see Moyers is up with a new post as of yesterday, and Michael Moore, and various others are still posting away at HPFB, happily attracting clicks for Arianna.

  • Robin S Summertown

    OK, time to start checking bios before posting or following.

  • Lindstr7

    To those newly arrived: Take note. We are at the “regrouping” phase. We are protesting HPs new policy requiring a link up with Facebook. We are not interested in being baited with your remarks about how stupid “libruls” are. Save it for when we find a new home. Peace.

  • RF_Dude

    Remember, folks – when the trolls start rolling in just flag and ignore. The mods here are watching, let them do their job and please refrain from engaging or downvoting.

    the flag is a faint ‘flag’ in the upper-right corner of each comment. you might have to roll around to make it appear.

    Thank you for your patience.

    • Denni A

      how do you flag??

      • Coppernicus

        rightside, there is a minus and a flag.

      • ottlh

        Hover over the right side of a comment and it should appear.

    • Denni A

      don’t see an a faint flag in the upper-right corner on anyone’s comment.

      • Coppernicus

        You have to mouse over the comment for it to appear.

      • AskandTell

        Place your cursor near the end of the first line of a comment. You’ll see a little flag appear way to the right of the comment’s name.

        • Denni A

          holy, moley, it worked, who figured that one out.

    • ottlh

      Wow the mods are fast!

      • Ben_Chasteen

        Since all of you have gotten on our site, we now have a few of us who are monitoring everything. Yes the best advice is to not engaged and just flag.

        • Ben_Chasteen

          But that being said, we do try to be fair, we are not the type of site who deletes comments simply because we don’t agree with it. But if it is something that is impacting the morality of other users then we will take action against it.

          • ottlh

            That is perfect! I think that’s exactly what many of us are looking for. It’s nice being able to respectfully engage with opinions from across the spectrum. Thank you for all that you and your team have been doing for us since our arrival!

          • Robin S Summertown

            The thing I think most of us are trying to avoid is the extremes from either side. Its nonproductive and takes too much away from the discussion.

          • Denni A

            I believe the majority here is adult to enough to know what is over-the-line and inappropriate.

        • geezer 56

          Thank you so much, Ben. I think I speak for (almost) everybody here when I say we really are trying to be on our best behavior. (So far!)

          • Ben_Chasteen

            We are all really impressed with you guys, aside from a few comments against a certain site (which we as ET won’t mention) your comments have been some of the best I have ever read. In fact some of us have been distracted from our other duties because we are enjoying reading these threads so much. Lol. We just never seen this before so it is pretty encouraging for us. We also been having small meetings to talk about ways to make all of your experiences even better and what we can do to make that happen. So we will be keeping you updated on the progress.

          • Lindstr7

            You just put a smile on my face! Thank you.

          • Robin S Summertown

            We’ve had years of being with each other and some stuff just leaks out.

            I’m happy there is another news site out here that allows us to discuss the issues with freedom and is also looking out for us.

            Thank you.

          • Denni A

            seriously folks, are we a dreaming or what!!…(tsk).
            huffpo should come here and see what real freedom of speech looks like….thanks Ben.

          • geezer 56

            I think it’s fair to say we’re all really impressed with Epoch Times, too, Ben!

  • geezer 56

    Troll alert! They have arrived below. Just ignore ‘em–or flag ‘em.

    • RF_Dude

      Ignore ~and~ flag. Don’t downvote or respond. If they want to play nice they are most welcome, otherwise as Lindstr7 says ‘save it for when we get settled’ :-)

      • geezer 56

        Dangit, I replied to a couple of replies to one of them. Old habits die hard.

        • Jrlh

          lol

  • Coppernicus

    One more reason why this is bad, FB doesn’t even care if you post it they are archiving it.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/16/1263093/-The-Thought-Police-Are-Here-Facebook-saves-everything-you-type-even-if-you-don-t-publish-it#

    • Robin S Summertown

      I’m going to go hide under my bed now.

      • Coppernicus

        I know right?

    • Denni A

      wow…makes you wonder how widespread this practice really is, not just FB.

    • AskandTell

      HP’s semantics artificial intelligence technology also is reading/saving everything that is typed even before posting.

    • geesepeace

      I was on a group once and saved some comments and links someone made…..eventually that was deleted on FB but when I googled some key words I got the archived stuff. So that is definitely true.

  • Jrlh

    This is no mans land and we all have a common gripe….We know the enemy, and it is not each other….We are debaters that is what we love to do or we would have not been on Huffpo in the first place…But save that for the boards!!
    BTW has anyone compiled a list of places we can go with Disqus? Because I think it is quite a bit more extensive than I first thought!

    • Robin S Summertown

      Click on the Disqus link any you’re following here and are posting on the other boards will be on the that list.

  • cal haughtly

    Anonymous source reports Miley Cyrus seen twerking on face of New York subway resident Lizardman…..I wonder how journalism will survive at the HP without anonymous sources?

  • cal haughtly

    Huhh…I guess it was too much to ask that the next HP headline would be- “Titanic found frozen in iceberg with HP trolls still on board.”

  • geezer 56

    Hey, that trolly post by Gen. what’s-his-name disappeared! Flagging and ignoring works here!! Good job, everybody!

    • Jrlh

      No wonder I couldn’t find it….I thought you were having Huff flashbacks or something…lol

      • geezer 56

        Had to scroll back & forth several times to be sure. Still sleepy (I’m a left coast night owl).

        • Lindstr7

          Me too. Up very late these last few nights.

          • geezer 56

            Me, too–I am so completely addicted to this already…!

    • Lindstr7

      It’s pretty obvious we were being baited. It’s kind of funny. his post got one UP vote from the other troll. They’re off somewhere giggling and congratulating themselves for infiltrating. lol.

      • geezer 56

        Actually, I just noticed another one by him below. Flag him and bag him!

        • Lindstr7

          Probably one of Arianna’s minions she keeps in the closet (like her ex husband? ouch)

  • geezer 56

    Hey, Epoch Times, could you maybe add the word “libtard” to your list of no-nos?

    • RF_Dude

      Mixed feelings on that one, Geezer – sometimes we use it in jest or call ourselves that ;-)

      I’m for bare minimum on word-lists, and if there’s a problem we’ve seen that flagging works great at least on this scale.

      Thanks for the quick action, Mods! We will work with you to help keep the conversation civil, and we do respect being in your-house!

      • geezer 56

        You’re probably right, but I’m so tired of that word. It stopped being clever about 2 years ago.

        • cal haughtly

          ‘libtards found frozen in iceberg prove global warming hoax’….you are right. It hasn’t been clever in years. It is time to out grow the HP lib/con cage match.

          • Lindstr7

            Heartily agree.

      • Lindstr7

        Gotta disagree with you on that one. Anything with ‘tard at the end is unseemly and disrespectful of people who are actually mentally challenged.

        • geezer 56

          Good point!

        • Ian_Llanganagain

          Even “mus” ??? :-)

          • Lindstr7

            lol…smarty pants.

          • undsoweiter

            Did you mean “pants” or leo____s?

          • eumenides

            haha

          • Lindstr7

            still chuckling….hehheh

          • eumenides

            Ian,,,enjoyed and appreciated the effort you made “over there” the last few days

          • Lindstr7

            I’ll second that.

          • JainDohNYC

            ian!! I tried for days to post to you there, just to let you know where we were!

            glad you found us!

        • RF_Dude

          Good point, Linds – I should engage my head and not let the keyboard run away from my critical thinking area!

          I’m sure the modz will catch-on and modify their sensors quickly. They’ve gotten to know a lot of us by now and seem to be right on top of things!

          • Lindstr7

            Thanks RF. I think we’re all trying to make an renewed effort to be civil, out of respect for our hosts here at ET as well as our respect for one another. (I know I’ve cleaned up my potty mouth at least!)

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        I am leaving. They are already doing too much moderation for me. Bye bye now.

        • Lindstr7

          bye

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am still here complaining. I still have hope. So far it does not look good.

          • Lindstr7

            Bear in mind that this influx of users has them working extra hard keeping up with comments. They have said they are willing to listen to users opinions, advice, suggestions, complaints. When is the last time a moderator or editor made an appearance on the threads in HP? I don’t want to see this site turn into a bunch of Bonobos flinging poo at one another the way HP degenerated into.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Must agree. We shall see.

          • Lindstr7

            Thanks, I’ll check out your site.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I appreciate that. We are a testament to starting out prickly and ending up in detente. I like it. I want to see more of it. I am just not that polite KWIM?

          • Lindstr7

            I do. I was no angel over at HP and had many many comments get the “this comment has been deleted” before I even posted it!!?? Gah. In the end so glad because now our “blinders” are removed and we have been deprogrammed! We are now searching out new sites like EpochTimes and your new site! Win win.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            So agree.

          • Coppernicus

            I don’t think you give Bonobos enough credit. :)

          • Ben_Chasteen

            Yeah we don’t want it to turn that either. So as long as we are each patient with each other and just follow the rules everything will be fine. If anyone is having an issue we will listen,

          • Ben_Chasteen

            @Plum: We do have to maintain a balance for all users, we are trying to accommodate all of you, but it is not you guys we are concerned with, it is actually all of the other users (not from these threads) that require a lot more moderation. So we are trying our best to be fair and accommodating. That being said, as long as you don’t get your self flagged too much, your comments won’t need much moderation now. Just to let you know your profile has a lot of flags (we can see it on our backend) so that is why your profile is needing more moderation. But as long as you get along with everyone you will be fine now.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I got flagged at places like lifesitenews, in spite of being just as polite as I could be. I got flagged at a Catholic site and I am a Catholic. “Anus” is a perfectlly acceptable English word. I also got flagged for directing (via link only) those who called me things like Plum Dump to scat porn websites to accomodate their level of development. Excuses excuses.

            MOD: Probably if you stop purposely writing words you know you’ll go to moderation for you won’t go to moderation. No sense creating more work for all of us.

          • Ben_Chasteen

            Like I just said, I just adjusted your account, your posts will appear pretty much right away. All we ask is that you don’t abuse it. Disqus has a standard word filter that comes with it and we pretty much didn’t mess with it. But to be honest it is hard when you have a few thousands users all commenting on articles, you never have any idea what people will say to each other.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Very kind and eminently reasonable. Moderation is very hard work to do. You have all my sympathy and empathy. I moderate my own blog of course. So far it has been not at all challenging. I am just a wee new blog.

          • Ben_Chasteen

            No reason to be harsh though, we are doing our best.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Not trying to be harsh. Gave you well deserved praise elsewhere. Just trying to be clear. Just asking for what I want. If you throw all the queer mad people out of here, it will not be any fun at all.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Good argument. Point taken. I must respond. I just have to. Come on, I am a standup comedian with a shady past, good writing ability, and a thirst for verbal freedom.

            My response: anus is better than AH azzole arsehole or any of other synonyms for said aperture.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Thank you.

          • Lindstr7

            It’s their site. They can moderate however they see fit. If you look at Ben Chasteen’s comments (moderator) he (and others) are keeping us abreast of what is acceptable and why. I think they’re doing a much better job at it than HP ever has.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Agree. They are here. They are real. I am trying to prevent the creation of a place I cannot live. I have a right to ask for what I want too. The ‘be polite’ folks are killing dkos.

          • Lindstr7

            I think it inevitably comes with growth. At some point you have to take control of your own site. Moderating comments seems to be a way to do that. I admire you for starting your own blog and I wish you well. You may even end up hiring mods yourself one day as your site gains visitors :) Peace.

      • JainDohNYC

        absolutely. I’d much rather have too little modding than too much….

    • Ben_Chasteen

      Hahaha, don’t worry, I don’t want to go in details about this here (just because anyone can read this), but we have already handled this situation. And have came up with a system to monitor future ones. However, if any come through just flag anything you guys see, you should be seeing less of them.

      • Lindstr7

        Is this the Honeymoon phase? We’re all on our best behavior and I think we’re all going to make an effort to make your job easier by being civil to one another. (see ..no FB required!)

        • Ben_Chasteen

          We really do take our readers very seriously, we really do listen. We are not looking at it as a honeymoon phase, to us this is taking a bigger step into our future and you guys are all now apart of that now (that is if you decide to stay). You guys all seem very civil people and really we haven’t been needing to moderate much of anything on these threads, (aside from a curse word here and there) so for us the extra work it is creatng is a great thing! But really we are enjoying the extra work (maybe a little too much) for those of us reading and monitoring the threads.

          • Lindstr7

            Just your making an appearance now and again makes us feel connected to Epoch Times. Each day I’m exploring new content and finding something new. It’s exciting being a part of ETs growth!

          • Ben_Chasteen

            For me working on the internet all the time, this is really a breath of fresh air. Getting to interact with users, seeing first hand all these great comments, meeting so many great people and just being a part of all this has increased our morality as a whole. We are not getting overly excited over it, but it was really a nice surprise. So we hope this is the beginning of something even greater.

          • Robin S Summertown

            Have you been able to detect any additional traffic pointed as coming from Twitter?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I twitter-ed stuff. (twatted?) I want HP to go down down down into a burning ring of fire.

          • Robin S Summertown

            Yeah, I spent more time on Twitter last night than here posting links to the place in every HP tweet I could find.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Yesssss. I like the way you walk.

          • Devey Elise

            Great. Now I have that song stuck in my head.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Don’t you hate that.

          • Ben_Chasteen

            Ill check on that and get back with you, we are getting more traffic from a lot of places since you guys all come aboard. Also we got an article on drudge report today, so our traffic is really good right now.

          • Robin S Summertown

            On Drudge, you’re kidding!

            That’s why I asked about Twitter because I know we’ve driven your traffic up. I was wondering if all of the Twitter links back to here was having any benefit.

          • Ben_Chasteen

            Yea we are not sure who put it up, it wasn’t any of us, so that was a nice surprize. Every once in a while we will be listed on it though. I will keep an eye on twitter

          • Ben_Chasteen

            Actually we do have extra traffic from twitter coming to our “about us” page it looks like. Do you know what page you sent out?

          • Robin S Summertown

            Just a copy of a link to the site.

            But cool, glad that seems to be working. I Tweeted Rachel Maddow, let’s see if that does anything.

          • Ben_Chasteen

            So on this article the traffic has gone up quite a bit, but I am not seeing too much from twitter at the moment

          • Devey Elise

            FYI…not that my twitter has billions of followers, but I unfollowed the Huff and started following Epoch. Man you guys tweet a lot.

          • Lindstr7

            I must say, I DO love your candidness. So refreshing! (an inside peek at the “backend” as you say is very insightful.)

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I hope so too. You are an excellent moderator. Open to discussion. Honest about where you stand. Works for me. I am about trying to create a place we can all live in with our whole beings.

          • Devey Elise

            Me too. I’m so sick of being silenced. It’s everywhere.

          • JainDohNYC

            *cough cough*

            alright, is that curse word thing directed at me?? if so, I just have to say, I was born that way and I really can’t help it!

            plus, it’s considered a second language here in nyc…..

          • Ben_Chasteen

            To be honest I forget who it was. Sorry too many names to remember.

          • JainDohNYC

            lol, I was mostly joking! I haven’t let loose with an entire string of epithets here, as I’m sometimes wont to do (at least not yet!). I think it was just a “b*-ch” here and a d*mn there :)

          • Devey Elise

            We can’t curse? Sheeeeeit. I was so hopeful!

          • Devey Elise

            Sooooo…..is this wear I slip in a pole dance or two? Yanno…for the mods entertainment :) Wait….lemme pick my boobs up off the floor first. I’m old yanno. (can we say boobs?) teeheeeee!!!

        • Ben_Chasteen

          Also you guys all seem to know each other and really have a strong community, so really we feel pretty save leaving you guys to do your own thing. And we now know if anything pops up that isn’t of the norm you guys will call it out.

          • Classical_Gas

            Thank you for everything. It’s great to see you on the threads, I’d forgotten what interaction was.

            Best foot forward, in appreciation.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        Nooooooooo! I love the “libtard” folks. There will be no fun discussion without them. You just admitted to being another HuffPo. And you put me in moderation for the word “anus.” I thought you were righteous. I am so disappointed.

        • geezer 56

          OK, dag nabbit, you’ve all convinced me that was a bad idea. I take it back. As Roseanne Roseannadanna said, “Never mind.”

          • Ben_Chasteen

            We didn’t add the word, but we developed a new way to monitor users who were flagged.

          • geezer 56

            Thanks, Ben. Knee-jerk reaction to the sudden influx of poo-flinging. Trying to practice some mindfulness here, but it’s a moment-by-moment learning experience!

    • Robin S Summertown

      You know, that’s a good idea. I know they don’t like the word fla ming.

    • the great kazoo

      Really? Why don’t you just go back to huffpo?
      If someone calls you names, simply consider the source and snicker to yourself that they have only debased themselves.
      But to try and exercise control over the speech of another is just wrong.
      Political correctness is its own form of tyranny.

      • geezer 56

        OK, OK, I take it back!!!! Bad idea. They can’t all be golden…

    • http://www.TheEpochTimes.com The Epoch Times

      Already did

      • geezer 56

        Whoops, I actually changed my mind on that after giving it some more thought, but do as you think best. It’s kind of a tough call.

  • eumenides

    ..I think Ari nailed it when she said, “..one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them”

    • Lindstr7

      How apropos.

  • undsoweiter

    Like a blown upon dandelion head, we are scattered to the wind. We will take root and grow elsewhere.
    We are not refugees. We were not driven out. We have escaped.
    We are free.
    Look out! Here we come.

    • dvncmdy

      Nicely put!

  • Coppernicus

    I guess we can knock this off the list why they need our phone number, almost.
    Federal judge finds NSA phone-surveillance program is likely to be unconstitutional
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/16/federal-judge-finds-nsa-phone-surveillance-program-is-likely-to-be-unconstitutional

    • Lindstr7

      I like that ….”likely to be.” very definitive.

      • Coppernicus

        Will be an interesting story to follow.

  • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

    About this civility issue, did anybody ever notice that HffPo allowed zealots to call women “murderers” over and over again? How come the “civility” these hoity toity message boards are selling never includes censoring such abuse? This identify-yourself-for-civility meme has nothing to do with civility. Anybody with the brains doG gave a turd can see that. Except the zealots, of course.

    • Robin S Summertown

      Have you noticed that once you’re away from there what you begin to realize has been going on there for so long?

      • Lindstr7

        Yes, it’s slowly sinking in. Like a newly released prisoner discovering the world beyond the bars lol.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        I wrote about the problem in 2010. Both “progressive” dkos and HP are bigtime censors. Turned me off to progressives bigtime. Same thing is happening here. So far I have been put in moderation for using the word anus. I am a standup comedian and essayist. I cannot live here if you guys start this censorship stuff.

      • undsoweiter

        I fell like I’ve tunneled under the Berlin Wall.

        • epazote

          hey undsoweiter, good to see you here !

          • undsoweiter

            Howdy, epazote. With disqus, we’re everywhere. I (we) are signed on to dozens of sites. I’m a kid in a candy store.

    • cal haughtly

      HP is like a Frank Buck “Bring em Back Alive” movie from the 1930′s. Frank would toss a piece of meat between a tiger and a giant snake and watch them fight over it…that was us. We were the show….I would rather discuss good public policy and better public policy. It is time to out grow the HP.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        I have outgrown HP. I made my own politics/culture blog. I am getting about 300-500 people a day now. Maybe I will get some HP refugees. I need good commenters.

        • cal haughtly

          I hope you do get those looking for ‘the mature internet” as Arianna likes to say. How can you be found?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            A link to my blog is on my disqus profile. Or google “Plum Street Chili”.

          • cal haughtly

            Thanx….

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling
          • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

            Thank you, Plum. Voices are needed all across the spectrum for important rights that are being denied or removed from all of us.

            Your site is very well done – I have added it to my (growing) list of sites that give views outside the HP bubble!

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Very kind. Thank you. I need good commenters.

        • BlueEyedBull

          Where are you at Plum?

    • AskandTell

      Such a good point Plum. I couldn’t even read those posts as I could feel my body literally shaking with anger at the double standards.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        This place is setting up the same kind of system of censorship. It is happening all around you on this board. Only in reverse.

        • Robin S Summertown

          Look, 99% of us here do not even want to see the drama let alone just allow it free wheeling in topics. Too often the drama sends someone normally calm person over the moon when a statement is made that flips a switch. We’ve had enough of that at the other place. We don’t need the drama to debate like intelligent adults.

          I’ve had my hand slapped twice now, one work I get, the other was a bit much but so what? Its their site, their rules.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            huffpo…its our site…its our rules…

        • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

          At the moment we are all new here and getting ourselves oriented to Life After The Poo. At first I thought this was a temporary refuge but more and more I see sites like Epoch (and Poynter) offering us a much more open alternative to what we endured at HP.

          As we settle in here, I’m sure the discussions will pass beyond ‘vanilla’ to more open discussion of important topics.

          Please be patient – your voice is needed and we now can recognize the heavy-hand of oppression and take steps to head it off.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Okay. I like you. Poo is right.

          • Ben_Chasteen

            Somewhere in the feed, I had a chat with Plum already.

    • JainDohNYC

      ugh…. or why they let the Nancy Pelosi and Rachel Maddow threads descend into such misogynistic mudslinging.

      while my comment on the latest “Homeland” epi pended for hours…….

      • Devey Elise

        One of my peeves about the Huff was the rampant misogyny both in the articles and from the hosts on Live. Sometimes it was shocking on Live coming straight from the hosts.

        • JainDohNYC

          really? I actively avoided Live Huff. I hated their vid platform as well as most of their hosts, lol! but sadly, I’m not surprised….

          • Devey Elise

            The best hosts have been long gone. Now it’s lots of antisemitism, misogyny, and celeb garbage on Live.

    • Canukistani

      It seems less about civility and more about identifying yourself as a target.

      • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

        I do not understand your comment. Will you elaborate?

  • JainDohNYC

    if you want to better understand what data mining does, and how unbelievably specific marketers can get when they have certain info of yours, I recommend this article…. it’s about how Target knew a teenage girl was pregnant based on recent purchases in their stores.

    it underscores perfectly how valuable your data is (and why HP and FB would happily share it with each other):

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/

    • Coppernicus

      Pops was none to pleased, although he did apologize. What a horrible way to find out about your daughter and whats been happening at home.

      • JainDohNYC

        oh, totally!

        but what’s even worse, is how absolutely detailed and granular data mining has become. it used to be they had your basic demographic info: your age, gender, income, education, city, and state.

        now they know what movies you watch on netflix, what soda you drink, how many kids you have, what health & beauty items you buy, what prescriptions you take, what birth control you use, how often you eat out, where you eat out, what car you drive……

        and on and on and on.

        • geesepeace

          Geezus they probably know what illegal birds I feed…..i’ll have to tell the honkers to lie to the park ranger when he interrogates them.

          • JainDohNYC

            haha, no the NSA would be the one to know that you’re feeding illegal birds.

            digital marketers, on the other hand, would know WHAT you’re feeding the birds and where you bought the food :)

          • geesepeace

            I live in Canada but this crime would probably prevent me from crossing the border.

          • Coppernicus

            Tell them to say they are Canadian Canada geese with valid passports, then at worst they get deported.

    • Canukistani

      There’s an old ACLU audio clip that demonstrates the problems with data aggregation in a funny, scary way that I can dig up if anyone hasn’t hear it and is interested.

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      We are “profit centers” from cradle to grave.

    • xigan

      I was once took a “survey” at Wikia. Ostensibly it was about Wikia getting to know me better, but all of the questions were about my tastes and shopping habbits. As the survey progressed the questions got more and more specific. The last question – before I closed the window – was about the local supermarket where I buy most of my supplies.

      • JainDohNYC

        yep…. they also do it with discount cards at supermarkets and drug stores. CVS and DuaneReade offer 5% off purchases over $30 or whatever, and then they scan that little card they gave you. and all that info goes into the ginormous digital mill of data that keeps churning and churning…..

        • xigan

          If I did have one of those cards, there would be an obvious explanation, how they – whoever they are – know where I shop. But I have no such card. This happened almost a year ago and I still haven’t figured out how this connection was made. It’s a bit creepy.

    • CatrionaMacA

      Of course, that teenage girl might have been buying that baby stuff for her pregnant older sister.

      I once had a friend staying with us, an elderly man who, as it happened, was a diabetic. As I was cooking for a diabetic, I was looking up recipes and seeking advice on diabetic diets. Anyone could have deduced that I am a diabetic, and anyone who did would be wrong.

  • dvncmdy

    Anyone know if there are any other articles on what HP is doing other than on Epoch Times, Poynter and Plum Street Chili?

    • majorwiblit

      http://shameproject.com/profile/arianna-huffington/

      This is an interesting read,,,the life and times of HairyAnna Huff&Puff

      • dvncmdy

        Yes, that’s a good read…..

        • majorwiblit

          one above is more about what going on there

      • RChinook

        I never like her & always thought she was phony & this article validates my first impression of her.

        • dvncmdy

          Yep…..anyone that goes to bed with Andrew Breitbart say’s a lot

          • RChinook

            Who would go to bed with dead person? sic

          • dvncmdy

            :/

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            The Banana did Breitbart? Ewwwwwwww. Ewwww.

    • BlueEyedBull

      I imagine you could google it and find other articles.

      • dvncmdy

        Nope…..tried. Only found Poynter…which eventually lead me here. Someone mentioned “scrubbers”

      • majorwiblit

        Afternoon Blue!

        • BlueEyedBull

          Well look whose here. Hi Major. :)

          • majorwiblit

            Wandering,,,lol

    • majorwiblit
      • dvncmdy

        Perfect! Just what I was looking for, thanks!

    • AskandTell

      This is a good article that was recently posted. Also Gawker and NYT/Maureen Dowd this week have taken on the false narrative of “lets all be civilized and not criticize anything or anyone.” Last time this type of propaganda was launched, we ended up in Iraq.

      http://popreflection.wordpress.com/2013/12/12/huffington-post-makes-radical-change-to-commenting-policy-including-violation-of-privacy/

      • dvncmdy

        Yes….that’s what I was looking for! Thanks….

    • Pony

      I’m pretty sure HP will be doing one on their own obituary soon.

      • dvncmdy

        I think we are all writing their epitaph!

        • epazote

          They’ll represent it being attacked by “riff-raff”, beaten bloody and left in a ditch to die an agonizing death. Mebbe, they’ll try passing it off as being mugged in broad daylight, or targeted in a “kockout” game.
          Too arrogant to confess it was an on-line suicide in front of a world audience

    • Trubeliever

      I seen user-generated threads on Daily Kos and Democratic Underground.

      • Trubeliever

        Oops. “I’ve seen….”

  • majorwiblit

    I still say we should petition Keith to write an Op-Ed piece about it all
    I am sure he would have a lot to say on this subject!

    • dvncmdy

      Good idea!

  • Mike

    I’m done with HP until they return to allowing user anonymity. I’m a professional consultant and I absolutely can’t comment on controversial issues using my real name without endangering my career.

    • geezer 56

      Would you still trust them not to go back on their word once again? I wouldn’t.

    • Canukistani

      Many here would put the period in the first sentence after HP and move on to the second.

    • dvncmdy

      I would never go back. I have since found other places to vent…like this one….

    • majorwiblit

      They will never admit to it,,,they blew it!,,,and it doesn’t matter now,,,to many that
      left will never go back,,,
      no matter what they do!!
      I include myself in that group of people!!!

    • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

      I am an ex stripper recovering addict mentally ill Crone. I could give a shyte about anonymity. It is the mindless censorship and the betrayal of folks like you that frosts my cookies.

      • Robin S Summertown

        What?

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          What what?

          • Robin S Summertown

            Are you compelled to get yourself banned? You’re all over the place, funny as all get out, very thoughtful in another, then suddenly aggressive as all get out. Tone it done. Please.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            My dear Robin, you are so good. There is no way to be all three of those things (thoughtful, funny, aggressive) at once in real life and tone it down. If I am going to be axed, might as well be axed before I invest a lot in the place. I have been down this path before.
            ……..and……….
            Right now google is censoring some semi naked pictures of Femens on my site because I am being read like crazy in Malaysia. I kid you not.
            All governments, and especially our own, are controlling the things we are allowed to see and hear and read. The Net terrifies them. This kind of propaganda/censorship scares and outrages me.

          • Robin S Summertown

            Then walk away before you type and settle for a few. Believe me, I know what I’m talking about here. I can be very a very explosive personality. I would rather you try to pull back a bit than loose you because so many of your comments are worth taking the time to read.

            Why ruin that?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Okay. You deserve a frank response. Beyond ethical, philosophical and editorial considerations already expressed, I am bipolar. That means there will be day I simply cannot “tone it down.” That day will come. If this is not a place that can survive that with me, this is not a place I can give a fig for.

          • Robin S Summertown

            I wondered.

            If you really care so little, then go. If that was another “moment” and the site and the forum mean something to you then stay.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You misquote me. I did not say “I care so little.” You said that.

          • Robin S Summertown

            I wasn’t quoting you.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            “if you care so little” I did not type that. You typed that. You do not read what you type?

          • Robin S Summertown

            Plum, you said and this is a quite “this is not a place I could give a fig for” that implies you don’t care.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            You misunderstand what I wrote. It is a conditional sentence. If … then. It was not the asserting “I do not care.”

          • Robin S Summertown

            I stand corrected. So that means you’re staying?

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            I am here now. Some of my good friends are here. The moderator is good and real. The conversation is good. I hope it turns out to be a place I can live in here. I would really like that.

            I posted on the AOL Do you Believe Board and Abortion Board for five years when they were great message boards. I would still be there if AOL did not kill them.

            I am a home girl. I hate moving. I especially hate getting thrown out. I was on dkos for five years before they bojoed me for calling someone and c**t and refusing to apologize. We shall see.

          • Lindstr7

            You’re doing a bang up job at convincing people why they should not visit your site if that’s the content we can expect.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Please do not come to my blog. You will not like it. And I will not like any comments you make. Sings “Let’s call the whole thing off.”

          • Lindstr7

            How absurd. Its YOUR site, YOUR rules. I’m no prude and often employ very colorful language, but I DO respect the right of a website to make their own guidelines. HP can ask for a FB link and I can say NO THANKS. EpochT can ask people to keep the language clean and the discourse civil. IT’s their site. You can require everyone to post naked except for fingerless gloves and make it mandatory to swear in every other sentence. Its your site, its your right.

          • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

            Okay.

      • Lindstr7

        Feel free to post your real name then.

      • Devey Elise

        hahahahhahahahhahaaa!!! Best post of the day :)

    • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

      I suggest that now that you are free of the HP pull, check out more sites like these or Poynter.org (another Huffugee haven), PlanetPOV.com, or any of the other good sites posted here or on the last thread.

      Why trust HP?? – they bit us all badly this time, it’s their nature and they will do it again as sure as night follows day.

  • majorwiblit

    I wish Rachel would take this on,,but I don’t think she would
    although we could all write to her over at http://www.msnbc.com/

    I stop there in the mornings sometimes

    • Robin S Summertown

      Why not Tweet her?

      • majorwiblit

        I don’t twit or tweet,,,or FB

        • Robin S Summertown

          OK, I’ll go do it.

    • cal haughtly

      It is over…HP is for those willing to have a permanent record of their political opinions for sale to the highest bidder. It is no place for government officials or active duty military. Time to find a site with a more mature approach to the pressing issues of the day. By the way, Ted Cruze is on his way to the Vatican to refuse to shake hands with the Marxist Pope(just kidding)…time for us to grow up.

      • Lindstr7

        Lolll @ the cruze comment. But I wholeheartedly agree the childish name calling should stop. I think it was actually encouraged at HP with all the salacious and misleading headlines

    • epazote

      I’d like to see Amy Goodman (Democracy Now!) and/or Bill Moyers take this one. There are several bloggers I’d like to see moving from there to here…Wendell Potter, Bill Moyers, Robert Reich, James Zogby, Rosenberg and many more.

  • the great kazoo

    I had to bail on huffpo. The comment section was refreshing, but smacked of tabloid small mindedness with a heavy dose of political correctness. Even with careful consideration of polite word selection, comments would be stricken if they punched holes in the liberal narrative on any given subject.

    • Lindstr7

      Funny, I feel the same way (just in reverse) and I’m a liberal.

    • Jrlh

      It was bad….People are people, and HP was very divisive. Don’t get me wrong I love to debate the issues….Inflaming people is just not necessary..

    • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

      They were equal-opportunity to any poster wanting a dialogue with their political opposite.

      The only comments that got through regularly were the _real_ trollz (and we both know who they were – the nickel posters with the one-liners that just baited and waited), and the endless bitsy-linked “My [fill in the relative] made $5000 working from home in their underwear” spamlinks.

  • Jrlh

    Jeez….can’t leave you people for no time….Went to get the mail….and now 124 new comment to go through….lol

    • Classical_Gas

      You got too used to the pace at the old place, huh?

      • Jrlh

        Yes, it has been years…This is more like IRC used to be at the moment….I believe my typing suffered at HP….Maybe I can get some compensation for that…!

      • Denni A

        at huffpo you post a comment then come back 3 days later to see if it even went through.

        • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

          And with most comments they just ‘go away’ and you never really know what happened to them.

          This is SO much better!

      • geezer 56

        I was thinking I kinda missed HP’s notifications thingy, then realized I used it mainly as an alert to tell me when my comment was finally posted–if ever. Here I’m gonna lose track, but conversations are actually happening in real time, which is mind-blowing.

        • http://plumstchili.blogspot.com/ Plum Dumpling

          I love disqus with all my heart and soul.

    • Lindstr7

      How do you know how many new comments pop up? Is there a counter somewhere?

      • Jrlh

        Yea, little blue bar….

        • Lindstr7

          ahhh, gottcha. Thanks.

        • Canukistani

          They got a bar here?

    • Ben_Chasteen

      You should try being a moderator, lol. I will get in a conversation leave the page come back to see the response and all of a sudden 50 new comments show up. Really I am not complaining though

      • Jrlh

        I bet!

      • Robin S Summertown

        We will calm down and scatter to other threads soon.

        • Ben_Chasteen

          No really it is fine. We know you guys are just regrouping and using it as a meeting point. Really no issues at all.

          • Canukistani

            I guess we may have made a bit of an impact here?

          • Ben_Chasteen

            Yeah it is pretty cool.

          • fauxmccoy

            thank you kindly for opening your doors to us all.

      • majorwiblit

        well thank for coming into the thread Ben,,,and nice to meet you!

      • CatrionaMacA

        Mr Mod,

        This is a nice site. Thank you for taking us in.

        Cate, Glasgow, Scotland

    • Canukistani

      You almost hate to stop to comment because if you do you won’t catch up again :-)

  • Lindstr7

    Seeing the new arrivals, some of them conservatives, gives me hope that a new day is dawning and we can put ad hominem attacks in the past and stop calling each other names and get down to the actual issues. Im so sick of the baiting on both sides and I think HP was an enabler with their salacious headlines and such. Welcome all but lets stop with the name calling.

    • Pony

      It seems that most of this country is populated by rather quiet moderates who have views that span both sides of the political divide. As a nation we will never agree 100% on every issue but the current level of outright hate should make everyone take a step back and consider where this is going.

      • Lindstr7

        Exactly. In this era of Rush’s and GBecks and a news station that offers opinion as “news” it achieves nothing bit divisiveness. It’s no wonder there is gridlock in DC.

        • Pony

          Both of the above mentioned should embarrass any real conservative to death. Fox on occasion gets it right though they tend to blather on and on and on and yet the other stations have their own issues . I can remember where they simply read the news and could do so without snotty comments, eye rolling and add on snarks. There was some integrity that allowed the viewer to form an opinion rather than be fed one.

          • herefornow

            Fox news went to court to be legally declared ONLY an entertainment source after a legitimate wrongful termination suit had been filed against one of their affiliates in Florida.
            Two reporters were fired for refusing to read false news items over the air. Fox had its status altered so they couldn’t be held accountable for continuously twisting the truth.

        • Jrlh

          They depend on it…They found they can number one make money off of it and number two not have to have a united front to worry about.

      • Jrlh

        I believe the extreme views on both sides will temper….The not getting anything done is weighing on everyone…

        • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

          Agreed Jrlh – the ‘action’ has always been where two sides can meet in the middle, what we have gone through for the last decade has been people yelling at each other and nobody listening to the other side.

          Time for that to change!

      • apogee2perogee

        I feel like my POV has been relatively consistent throughout my life. Especially on issues that have mattered all of my life. I hopefully have become more enlightened, but my principles haven’t change much. Like many others have said at at times, I feel like national politics have moved to the right while I’ve stayed the same. I still think that middle that more of us used to occupy, before the middle moved, is where compromise happens and governance can be effective.

    • Lindstr7

      I see that comment got a “down” vote. Hey, I’m no angel, but when you get down to it, name calling achieves nothing but a little smug satisfaction that you got in a jab at someone who maybe called you a name or whatever. Sometimes it IS deserved but it really does nothing to promote discourse in the end.

      • Jrlh

        Someone could have hit the wrong arrow I can’t see any reason to down that one at all!

        • Robin S Summertown

          I did that once and thought ah shoot, I didn’t mean to do that. But by clicking on the one I meant to hit it fixed it right away.

          • ottlh

            Or just clicking the down button a second time seems to reverse it.

    • Jrlh

      That would be great Lindstr….I am keeping my fingers crossed…

  • Denni A

    OT – who’s the 1 Guest vote, is that an actual member or someone lurking but is allowed to vote.

    • Lindstr7

      Someone likely on the fence about joining? Someone who has not chosen a name? Dunno.

      • Denni A

        that’s what I thought.

  • AskandTell

    Interesting segment from Huffington Post Live. Subject is: Facebook, AT&T, and others are selling your personal data and why you should be concerned.

    http://on.aol.com/video/selling-personal-data-517876292

    • Lindstr7

      Oh wow. smh. Unbelievable. Bait n Switch!

    • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

      As always, HuffPo still considers it’s users to be just clickfodder and incapable of connecting HUGE dots…

    • Devey Elise

      Too bad none of us can reply to it. OH the irony!

      • herefornow

        Where there’s a will there’s a way.

    • fauxmccoy

      the irony is thick in this one ;)

    • Steven G Smith

      Got a notification from my telephone provider a few months ago about the new policy
      and started receiving calls from unknowns almost immediately. I wonder how long
      it will take those paying for the information to realize that most people don’t
      answer or respond to callers they don’t recognize — probably just long enough
      for those selling the info to make a few million. It’s amazing how many companies
      have stopped producing goods and services of value and are just making money
      off of shaking down people for fees and pimping out their information.

      • AskandTell

        So true Steven. For Congress and the FCC to allow this to go on is disgraceful.

  • JainDohNYC

    here’s an interesting tidbit. seems HP isn’t the only one to change their commenting policy. Note that the WSJ specifically states that public profiles will now include your entire commenting history (unless you specifically ask to delete entries. tho who’s to say the WSJ will comply?)

    Within the next few weeks, The Wall Street Journal is revamping its commenting and profile systems to create more engaging, relevant and thoughtful conversations.

    Some key differences between today’s platform and the new one:

    • Commenters will have upgraded, visually rich public profiles. We will retain as much of your old profile information as possible. Your connections, groups and commenting history will be saved for future use.

    • On public profiles, the full commenting history of the profile-holder will be visible. Should you wish to make previous comments private, you can delete them individually, notify moderator@wsj.com to request bulk deletion, or put your profile into private status.

    • With our new technology, conversations among readers will feel as if they’re unfolding in real time. Comment length is coming down. We’ll ask you to make your point in under 1,000 characters.

    • All readers will be required to use their real names when commenting on articles and, for the first time, on blogs.

    and there’s more, but that’s the salient information…….

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304864504579139232039637674

    • Lindstr7

      Phase I in their mining efforts. Given News Corps record for wire tapping, I’d be surprised if anyone will comply except those who will benefit from having their name in print.

      • tense641

        Like the days of your mailbox being stuffed with 3rd and 4th class mail and a creditor selling your name and phone # to telemarketers.

    • AskandTell

      I believe this is part of News Corp attempt to compete with LinkedIn; all of their media groups along with their Dow Jones are moving to a common platform

    • geesepeace

      Visually rich profile….unfolding in real time…engaging….lucky my barf bag was handy.

    • Canukistani

      “• All readers will be required to use their real names when commenting on articles and, for the first time, on blogs.”

      And most readers who want to say what they really think will go elsewhere.

      • AskandTell

        Funny thing is they are all justifying the LinkedIn model of real names but companies/HR discourage their employees from using their full names on LinkedIn for obvious and no so obvious legal reasons. This is a discussion point within my HR professional circles.

        • Canukistani

          And for the most part they’re getting away with it because a lot of people can’t even spell data aggregation, let alone be aware of the implications.

          Once the data is out, it’s out. You can never put the genie back in the bottle because you don’t even know where it is.

        • Robin S Summertown

          Does everyone know LinkdIn data mines member’s address books? I get invites from LinkdIn from one of my hub’s co workers. The hubs is a member, I am not and the co worker did not send them.

          • JainDohNYC

            yeah….. they’ve gotten some backlash for that.

            *SIGH*

            I work really hard to keep my online stuff separate from real life stuff. and it just gets harder and harder and more exhausting each month.

        • Elle Kay

          LinkedIn is about the only place I use close to my full name and I would be curious about better ways to manage my profile there.

          • JainDohNYC

            if you live in or near a large city, some places offer free seminars and tutoring on it. maybe a library?

            there’s one on Madison Ave that does it…..

          • AskandTell

            Great idea; I’d recommend training. It is a powerful tool but ever changing. Some companies require that they have the ability to verify through LinkedIn anyone stating they are a former/current employee with dates.

          • Elle Kay

            I do live in a major city, so I’ll look into that. Thanks. :)

          • JainDohNYC

            oh, then definitely look into any business libraries, specifically. the Science, Industry, and Business Library is one that does it here. good luck!

          • Elle Kay

            Thanks, will do! :)

          • AskandTell

            I’d recommend not displaying your full name to the public; your full name/contact information should be displayed after you’ve accepted an invitation to connect. LinkedIn is a good organization and I don’t believe they are inherently trying to deceive.

            The issue gets into sales/marketing professionals within corporations – they need to insure their contacts within other similar companies are above board and could not be construed as collusion.

            Any companies accepting government contracts (which is just about everyone these days) are under scrutiny for price fixing. Especially medical and defense contractors.

        • JainDohNYC

          yeah, it’s a huge conversation. I’m not in HR but as someone who’s worked in NY for 20 yrs, anyone wanting a decent career or profession, or who works in a corporate setting, needs to think long and hard about this stuff.

          the FB thing has been an issue for awhile now, esp for kids coming out of school…. and the downside of having a page with ANYTHING controversial. but, pretty much anything can be controversial depending on what industry you’re interested in.

          I’m very reluctantly on linkedin only because I kinda have to be. but my deets are as brief and limited as possible.

    • Elle Kay

      WSJ has gone steadily downhill since Murdoch purchased it. Even before that, I needed hazmat gear to go anywhere near their editorial page, but they had some really good feature writers.

      • JainDohNYC

        oh yeah…. WSJ pre-Rupert and post-Rupert are like two different papers.

        I wasn’t a subscriber pre-Rupie, but they definitely had some good pieces. and their business section was informative, if nothing else (but absolutely No! to their editorial page)

    • Jrlh

      All of this by request of the NSA I am sure….Makes you wonder though uh?

      • JainDohNYC

        it’s getting ridiculous. reminds me of some sci-fi film where everyone has chips implanted in them, except for a handful of rebels who refused and have to live off-the-grid or hide underground.

        and I sometimes think that in 30 yrs, we’ll be like that. and those of us without FB pages will be the ones living in caves or in the subway tunnels, lol…..

        • AskandTell

          Tommy Thompson had the FDA approve the use of chips implanted in the arm; maker was VeriChip which whom he joined the board soon after leaving the WH. The intent was to begin implementing in patients with brain loss/injury in case they wondered off. The FDA was accused of hiding studies done on chips implanted in dogs which some studies suggest lead to a higher incidence of cancer.

      • Billy_boe

        this has nothing to do with NSA, this is all about selling DATA to the private sector.

        • Jrlh

          Yep, and that same private sector can sell it right back to the NSA. I don’t put that past FB, at all….

          • Classical_Gas

            I wouldn’t doubt that for a minute.

          • Billy_boe

            Well I never said they wouldn’t sell to the government, just that greed was the motivator

  • RChinook

    Every time I click on a link it will go to web site but I lose this page and have to pull up Epoch Times again. Anyone have this problem? It doesn’t allow you to click back.

    • Jrlh

      Yea, I just keep two windows going.

    • Denni A

      same here.

    • Classical_Gas

      I right-click and open it in a new tab or window.

      • RChinook

        Thanks, I’ll try!

      • RChinook

        COOL it works! DUH;-)

    • Elle Kay

      I’m on Firefox and just r-click the link and select “open in new tab”

  • Elle Kay

    I’m ElleKay277 on HuffPo, but I seriously doubt I will be very much missed with my single digit friends list and very few comments. I do more lurking than commenting most places, but found HuffPo to actually be a fairly good aggregate if I ignored most of the right hand column. I don’t do FB, and not about to start just to comment over there, and already use Disqus for other communities.

    I’m already seeing a few people here whose comments I faved back at the evil empire, and it looks like a good group here.

    • Jrlh

      It is getting to be quite the cross section….and THAT rocks!

    • Robin S Summertown

      Posting is not mandatory. Read to your heart’s content, if you can keep up.

      And feel free to pop in any time, we’d welcome any input you might have.

    • AskandTell

      Welcome Elle. You’ll find this is a friendly group made up of many ex-HP frequent posters.

    • Lindstr7

      EpochTimes has been very accommodating and we’ve no doubt increased their workload. There seems to be some good content here so I encourage you to peruse the site and support our hosts. Welcome!

      • Trilby16

        I’m liking Epoch Times a lot! It reminds me of the early days of HuffPo before it tried to become all things to all people (and all advertisers).

        • Robin S Summertown

          Leave the people part out. We were a strategy. Or a means to an end, they reached that end and are now done with us.

      • Elle Kay

        I’ve been here a few times before and they have some good articles here, especially on China.

        • Robin S Summertown

          Yes, I’ve pulled myself away a few times to go strolling through the site. I need to spend more time doing that. After all, that’s the reason for being here, not just to pound on the other place.

          • AskandTell

            You are right Robin. Right now though, it is healthy for many of us to let out some pent up steam that hasn’t been allowed to be expressed.

          • herefornow

            I’m hoping the pressure keeps building until Ms. Fancy Pants Huffington has to change hers.

    • Elle Kay

      Thanks for the warm welcome y’all. The flood of comments is a challenge, even for a diligent lurker like moi. ;)

  • majorwiblit

    And this is what we are up against good folks!!
    A preview of the future

    https://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty/aclus-pizza-video-10-years-later

    Scroll down to video

    • Peegan

      I think I am going to be ill.

    • AskandTell

      The ACLU’s research on license plate surveillance is frightening. They requested and received police files from VA where cars attending Pres Obama rallies and other democratic gathering were scanned into state databases for tracking purposes.

  • Canukistani

    2 new comments below. 4 new comments above. AARRGGHH I’m being pulled a p a r t!

    • Pony

      Yes, But you’re loving it aren’t you.

      • Canukistani

        That I am! it’s all good.

        • majorwiblit

          It is the way Disqus works,,,you will get used to it
          have been on Disqus sites for awhile now,,and I don’t even think about it

          • Canukistani

            Not to worry. It gives you a better sense of what drawing and quartering was all about…but in a good way :-)

          • Elle Kay

            This is so far the most active thread I’ve encountered on Disqus, but I’m slowly getting used to it.

          • Canukistani

            The one we landed on when we started arriving here was like this for a coupla few days too. It was a learning experience, at least it was for me.

    • Jrlh

      My head exploded about ten minutes ago…But, that’s OK….

    • Json

      I’m kind of liking this notification style. It makes you jump around a bit, but it really allows you to follow conversations as comments get added.
      It’s not perfect, but I think it is far superior to HP’s system, where it basically reloaded the comment section and you had no guidance about where the new comments are.

      • Canukistani

        Oh, I’m getting used to it but on such active threads I did find it a litle disconcerting at first. It’s definitely better that what they did at the other place whose name shall not be uttered.

      • JainDohNYC

        pretty much ANYTHING’S better than HP’s new system…..

        even smoke signals would be better. or morse code.

        • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

          Co-sign, Jain! BTW – I used to operate on radio using Morse code, it was ‘only’ about 35wpm (words per minute) which sounds slow but is pretty dang fast! We used to easily carry on long conversations on the radio, totally with ‘dit”dah’ strings, and I could ‘read’ it in my head (didn’t bother to write it down, just listened)

          yeah, even passing notes in class was better than the system they had over there!

  • MarkJinLA

    I was an active member of the HuffPost community for several years and posted comments that were, in my admittedly biased opinion, constructive and respectful. While I would prefer to be able to post anonymously because of my work, I’ve never posted anything I would have been ashamed to sign, and I would have gladly verified my name and address with HuffPost if I’d been offered that option. But I will NEVER become a member of Facebook because I reject their marketing and privacy practices and I resent HuffPost’s decision to require readers to join and disclose their phone numbers to Facebook as a condition of continued membership. This requirement is especially odious considering that longtime readers were told in August that we’d be grandfathered and not subject to the Facebook verification requirement. When HuffPost broke its word last week, we weren’t even given the option of registering our disapproval with the site. I won’t soon forget this remarkably disrespectful treatment, which is why I’ve canceled my membership and removed the site from my list of Favorites. Will I miss reading HuffPost? Not as much as I would have several years ago. Since it was purchased by AOL, it’s been pandering to the lowest common denominator and now features more stories on Justin Bieber and Kim Kardashian than actual news. I hope this example of lousy, short-sighted management is met with a significant decrease in membership.

    • Lindstr7

      It already has. Numbers are dropping exponentially.

    • Elle Kay

      Comments numbers over there are slowly rising but I think significant damage has been done already. Fairly sure, people are either using smartphone apps or made fake FB accounts with burner phones. I wasn’t active enough over there to make it worth even that much trouble.

    • Devey Elise

      Amen.

    • JainDohNYC

      I’ve said over and over again – I stand by every word I wrote there over the course of 8 yrs.

      anyone who knows me, knows I say the same stuff in real life (except with a lot more cursing), BUT…….

      that doesn’t mean that my boss (or future employers) need to know my political beliefs. Or what I think of Megyn Kelly or Wendy Davis. Or how much I hated Dana from Homeland or how much I love Virginia from Masters of Sex.

      a lot of things i said aren’t vitriolic or incendiary…. and that’s supposedly what the “civility” part is all about, right? ensuring that we don’t say hateful, nasty things?

      except most of us DON’T really say nasty, hateful things online (witness the threads here). and we STILL don’t want our comments made public. I’m an incredibly private person, and wanting to remain anonymous has nothing to do wanting to be able to troll and flame others without my real name.

      I’m really sick of that argument. that we’d use our real names if we don’t have anything to hide. it’s such a disingenuously illogical claim. it’s like the one advocates of stop-and-frisk use: if you’ve got nothing to hide, you shouldn’t mind the cops stopping you and searching you, right??

      • AskandTell

        Excellent post Jain.

      • Steven G Smith

        I have the advantage of being able to use my real name because there are so many guys with the same name — some famous and some not so much. Of course, when I was in the Army working as an investigator partnered up with another investigator names William Jones, when we introduced ourselves as Investigator Smith and Investigator Jones it served as a good icebreaker.

    • tense641

      Here! Here!

    • Jrlh

      Your at the right place then!

  • herefornow

    I now believe Arianna Huffington has always slyly remained the same right-wing loyalist she was when married to the Republican oil millionaire congressman. Michael Huffington.

    • Lindstr7

      She gained a lot of experience “faking it” during her marriage.

      • Peegan

        Funny, I thought it would have been her gay husband having to fake it.

        • Lindstr7

          Both.

          • JainDohNYC

            hahaha…..

        • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

          Peegan! Good to see you, glad you escaped from behind the Huff Curtain!

          • Peegan

            Yes indeed. and great to see you. I am becoming happier and happier with the blog world I am discovering outside HP. Amazing how the people I liked the most have fled HP and their FB duplicity.

          • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

            This was our time – now I have a much better understanding of our old friends that left at the AOL merger. I’ve been over to PlanetPOV, and there is another Huffugee camp at Poynter.org. Other sites posted here and there too – enjoy!

        • tense641

          double whoooa!!

      • tense641

        whoooa!

    • Peegan

      Read this, a real eye opener on Princess Arianna. http://shameproject.com/profile/arianna-huffington/

      • JainDohNYC

        my personal favorite is the 1994 Vanity Fair piece on AH by Maureen Orth. the things she discovered about AH….. WOW.

        makes AH look like she’s only 2 degrees of separation from that half-Gov from Alaska…..

        • Peegan

          I said myself I think she is just a smarter version of Palin, but just as much a shister and con.

          • AskandTell

            A greek Michele Bachmann.

          • birddogs II

            Beware of Greeks bearing two–at least–faces.

          • JainDohNYC

            oh, absolutely! they could’ve been Siamese twins separated at birth.

            (where one twin’s brain got much, much less oxygen – cause AH is greedy like that – but still, they’re a lot alike).

    • Elle Kay

      Never thought of her as liberal at all, more libertarian. She’s “liberal” for the most part on social issues, like women’s rights, lbgt and religioun issues, but fiscally very hard right.

      • SmotPoker

        She wrote a book that decried the women’s right movement making the claim it would turn women into lesbians.

        She is by no means a hero of the women’s rights movement. She’s a fraud, through and through. Her only goal in life from the very start was to become wealthy beyond her wildest dreams, and to achieve a position of power at all cost.

        A political weather vane willing to point in whatever direction provides the most profit at best, and nothing more than a whore at worst.

        • geezer 56

          She DID? Oh, man, that just ticks me off. (Ardent feminist here.)

          • SmotPoker

            Yep. I try to make it habit to only post facts. I may be wrong on occasion, but it is never intentional. I post the facts as I understand them.

          • Jasmine starlight

            me too geezer and I’m not a lesbian, always look to the heart of people and what they stand for—-lesbian, gay, red, purple, black, pokadot, it doesn’t matter….its who you are within :)

          • geezer 56

            OMG, you inadvertently cracked me up! I’m not a lesbian, either–just a 57-year-old married woman who chose the name “geezer” on a whim. Didn’t give much thought to the ramifications at the time, but it kinda grew on me after a while. At the very least, the trolls never condescendingly call me “Sweetie” or “Dearie,” which has a tendency to send me into orbit. ;)

          • Jasmine starlight

            Goodnight geezer….and your only as old as you feel, great words of wisdom from my grandmother, (a saying thats been around a long time–because it’s true) great posting geez :)

          • geezer 56

            G’night, Jasmine! Hope to see you here again soon.

          • SmotPoker

            Hmmmm, how do you feel about cults? She’s a high up minister in one of those as well. The more you know….

        • Classical_Gas

          Nailed it, SmotPoker!

        • Jasmine starlight

          LMAO…. I guess she thinks pot will make you kill people too, go crazy…like that old ‘educational video’ someone in govt. put out….it was so funny!

          • SmotPoker

            To be completely honest, I sometimes think that cannabis is the only reason I HAVE’NT gone on the nut and start thinning out the herd…

            Keeps me even.

          • BornOkayTheFirstTime

            Reefer Madness! The original 1936 version, not the inane 2005 musical remake.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azf320JDdqU

        • Elle Kay

          Uprated your reply to me, and you’re absolutely right. I’ve always thought of her as slippery at best, but finally had enough time to read some of the linked articles others have posted. Yikes!

          • SmotPoker

            Thanks, as they always say, knowledge is power. You can fight your enemy if you don’t know your enemy.

      • Peegan

        “Women’s Lib claims that the achievement of total liberation would transform the lives of all women for the better, the truth is that it would transform only the lives of women with strong lesbian tendencies. . . . The frenetic extremism of Women’s Lib seeks not to emancipate women, but to destroy society.” From her book The Female Woman: An Argument Against Women’s Liberation for Female Emancipation

        • Elle Kay

          Always thought of her “feminism” as more of the corporate flavor, but forgot about that one. So much to keep up with her on that one. I think we both agree she is not to be trusted. Even describing her as liberal needs to be enclosed in quotation marks.

          • Lindstr7

            I can’t help but think her whole “liberal” thing is an act. Her early days with Breitbart are probably more reflective of the “true” ariannaH. She seems to change her colors to whatever will be more expedient to further her ambitions.

          • Classical_Gas

            She has been described as the Sir Edmund Hillary of social climbers.

          • Peegan

            And all those unpaid writers her sherpa porters carrying her luggage up the hill.

          • Classical_Gas

            And the community paying the bills for her.

          • Lindstr7

            And don’t forget US sherpas who did all the heavy lifting with our years of commenting (which is really what made the site what it is, not all their “links” to stories on other sites). Your WELcome Arianna!

          • Canukistani

            As long as she can use everybody else as her sherpas, anyway.

      • Jrlh

        No way is she libertarian….I look at one every day in the mirror, and she is not even close! lol That is unless her website is completely against her beliefs…Guess that’s possible!

      • Lindstr7

        Are the two mutually compatible? I never did quite get it when someone says they’re liberal on social issues and conservative on financial issues. Aren’t they inextricably connected?

        • fauxmccoy

          no lindstr — liberal on social issues, conservative on financial or govt size issues would be classic libertarian. there are many folks who call themselves libertarian who really do not even understand it, because they will mix in their religious views, which a true libertarian would not care about.

  • Json

    Had they pulled this move before the AOL buyout, I think the reaction would have been much more muted. People would still have been outraged, but they might have hesitated to leave the community, because it was a much better site then.

    But right now people are really asking themselves why they would want to give this much info over to HP and they are not coming up with a lot of answers.

    What is there to miss at this point? The sensationalist and misleading headlines? The terrible slideshows? The poor journalism? The lousy editing? The moderation that seemed to encourage uncivil discourse? The broken promises?

    Good riddance to HP. And good luck to whomever steps up to fill the void. (Maybe they will even pay their bloggers…)

    • cal haughtly

      Great post…breaking news on the Huffpo-’Department of the Interior awards Global Energy lease to frack White House lawn.” Sad thing is you would have to check to see if I was kidding.

    • Robin S Summertown

      You’re absolutely right. I was around long enough to see the difference pre and post AOL.

      • tense641

        HUGE difference Robin.

        • Robin S Summertown

          Wasn’t it? I stayed away more and more because they were not offering much of substance.

          • tense641

            Only if you were interested in tweerking and or side boob.

    • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

      I agree, Json. I watched in dismay after the AOL buyout when many of the good experienced voices left. That wave had a real rough time because sites like Epoch and Poynter were not there for them, many went to Current or started their own sites like PlanetPOV and FreeRangeHome.

      Now, we are all part of the next big wave of people leaving. I leave with no regrets, and have absolutely no interest in ever returning.

      Many good posters are still there, for many reasons, but maybe this is not yet their time and they will be part of the next migration.

    • apogee2perogee

      I remember quite a few friends dropping HP when the moderation increased following a post regarding Dick Cheney that caused a fuss in the larger media. Its really been downhill from there, in my opinion, and off the cliff in the past few months.

  • VietVet67

    Hello, are any of my HuffPo buddies in here?

    • majorwiblit

      Plenty of them I’m sure! lol

      • Peegan

        Hi major. I found your ACLU pizza video that you posted and shared it with some friends on another Disqus site (All-len-All). I let them know you found it and they appreciated it.

        • majorwiblit

          Thank you Peegan,,and nice to see you here!

        • Classical_Gas

          Hi, Peegan!

          • majorwiblit

            lol,,,hey CG

          • Classical_Gas

            Ha! Hiya, major!

          • Peegan

            Hey CG. Wow, I am just loving this Disqus connection to several sites, I am finding just about everyone I have been missing from the other place.

          • Classical_Gas

            It’s a whole new world! :-)

          • Peegan

            I should sent HP a thank you note. “Having fun. Liberation is great. Glad you’re not here.”

    • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

      Hi there VV67 – welcome to this little refuge of sanity!

      • VietVet67

        Hey RF! I haven’t had a chance to go through all the comments. Trying to put in a new floor and doing this. (I may have to stop for the day)

        • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

          Careful – get a good comfortable chair! This place is full of good people and it’s very much like we remembered HP being in the old days.

      • majorwiblit

        hey there friend!,,I see lots of good folks here!

        • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

          Major! Yes, it’s a great little haven.

    • Robin S Summertown

      Everyone here is former HP with more coming in all of the time. So, stick around, you might be pleasantly surprised.

    • apogee2perogee

      Hey. HP refugees have worn a wide path here. It’s a welcoming place.

    • Peegan

      HP survivors galore.

      • tense641

        Way to go!!

    • Jrlh

      Welcome…..

      • VietVet67

        Thanks!

    • epazote

      You’ll see many of us, VietVet67
      Welcome ! You’re gonna like it here

    • tense641

      I was a fan of yours I remember ’cause of your name and a big WELCOME! I’ve just clicked on your avatar so that I may continue following you.

      • VietVet67

        Cool! Thank you!

        • tense641

          Glad to!

    • Canukistani

      Welcome here where the air is fresh and you can speak your mind.

    • cal haughtly

      Howdy

    • cats530

      Hi, there, Viet! I wonder how long we will be in “exile” before HP figures out their “Director of Community” just directed their ‘numbers’ off a cliff ; )

      • VietVet67

        He must be a slow learner. All he has to do is look at how low the comment count has dropped.

      • cal haughtly

        I don’t think the HP MGT team will follow the trail of Cheeto’s over here to get us back. They have what they need…a few uneducable right wing posters and those willing to waste their time correcting them.

      • Peegan

        I am staying in exile. I will never go back.

        • cats530

          Can’t blame you a bit! I might go back if they reverse the Facepalm requirement, but I’m still not a big fan of the new commenting format.

    • AskandTell

      Welcome VV67; hope you join in the fun.

      • VietVet67

        I’ll do my darndest.

    • Classical_Gas

      Hi, VietVet!

      • VietVet67

        Hey Classical!

    • geezer 56

      Hiya! Can’t remember if we were friends, but your name is familiar. Good to see you here!

      • VietVet67

        Hello geezer! Your name sounds familiar too, but It was hard to keep up with names.

    • HeyJude

      Hi and Welcome! I remember seeing you, and believe I even fanned you. :-) I’m so happy to see all the Huffpogees still finding their way here. Even if your old buddies aren’t, your new buddies sure are.

    • JainDohNYC

      holla VietVet!

      • VietVet67

        Hey Jain! I remember you (as old as I am)

        • JainDohNYC

          :-}

    • fauxmccoy

      welcome and glad you made it here!

    • christinedenice

      I remember seeing your posts on HuffPo. Welcome to TET.

    • CatrionaMacA

      Catriona reporting for duty, sir.

      Cate transfers swagger stick to other arm, and gives a snappy salute

      • VietVet67

        At ease…..Carry on!

  • cats530

    Adding insult to injury, Tim McDonald, HuffPost’s director of community, has been unapologetic to the situation.” When they fire his keyster over this disastrous policy, perhaps he’ll be a little more apologetic? Can’t wait to feel the schadenfreude, baby!

    • Ben_Chasteen

      Sorry for some reason this says it needed to be moderated but there isn’t anything wrong. There are still a few kinks we are working on.

      • cats530

        Thanx for working out those kinks. I didn’t know if I could get away with “keyster” (or not) – lol

        • HeyJude

          LMAO! Apparently you can…..

        • Lindstr7

          lol…clever

      • HeyJude

        Hi Ben! I’m always ridiculously happy when you pop in. :-) Mods are some of my new favorite people. LOL

        • ottlh

          Agreed!

        • Lindstr7

          True they are giving mods a good name here!

    • Lindstr7

      I was going to comment that I’m sure TM didn’t volunteer for that assignment, but I wouldn’t put it past them to make him the scapegoat if/when (when) this whole thing makes their stock plummet (fingers crossed).

      • cats530

        I was bored and did a little research, Tim hasn’t been in this position very long. There were a couple of HP articles written in 2012 about the duties of the director of community position and how TM got his job (through Facebook). Interesting mentions on duties of “JULIA” too – (the HP algorithm ‘robot’ pre-moderator). He could very well end up as the sacrificial beast over this policy. It’s pretty dead over there, as far as comments go. Way down in numbers…

        • Lindstr7

          And his past connection with Facebook would be all they needed to make him their whipping boy.

        • Billy_boe

          they don’t make money from comments, they make the cash off of unique visits.
          And those were up 8% from Sat to Sun.
          I did cancel my account, but it’s my site visits that they will miss most.

        • Lindstr7

          Thanks. Interesting info.

    • escribacat

      That poor sucker.

    • geezer 56

      I saw one of his replies to someone where he said he had actually argued against the non-anonymity policy at some point. If that’s true, I don’t think it’s too far a stretch to say that his overlords have put him in a very uncomfortable position.

      • Steven G Smith

        I somehow doubt the sincerity of his alleged argument against the policy. From
        his comments to his actions, he appears to be a company man who will do and say whatever his imperious leader(s) demand; unfortunately for him the “I was just following orders” defense was discredited a long time ago.

        • geezer 56

          You’re probably right, but it’s hard to know for sure. In the corporate world it’s awfully common for someone to be thrown to the lions & to get all the flak when then were given all the responsibility for the success/failure of something but none of the actual authority. But on the other hand, for the past week especially, I haven’t exactly been in the mood to give anybody at HP the benefit of the doubt!

          • Steven G Smith

            I know what you mean. My last job was in the corporate world where they used sequestration as the impetus to boot everyone who was getting close to 60 years old. Corporations are good about espousing values and other touch-feely stuff to polish their images, but when it gets right down to it the bottom line is all that counts — and they wonder why really talented and innovated people are hard to find and to hold onto.

      • HamletsMill

        I caught that too. If there is even slight internal dissension it is going to widen as the catastrophe unfolds. Finger pointing in the secondary as people are burned on TD’s at will as the extent of the debacle becomes public in the numbers. There is no way they can sustain traffic with that incredibly claustrophobic commenting system. For me it was like a TOMB of Russian Matryoshka Dolls. Incredibly labor intensive.

        Somebody has to get a Mod to defect and tell the whole story of what happened. I’d write that book myself if I was a younger man. But I have too many other things going right now. Matt Taibbi or an editor at Vanity Fair should get on this immediately. The coming collapse of the Huffington Post has everything for a book. Clueless 20 and 30 something AHOL Boy MBA Management. AH Millennial sycophants. Arrogance. Hubris. Spiritual blindness. Another tale told by an idiot.

        They used to teach a course at Yale around 1999-2000 or so on the moronic totally flat footed MBA Crack Executives at Xerox PARC in 1979-1980 that owned the entire future of MOSFET microcomputer technology and the Ethernet and let it all be stolen from them by Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. The rest was history as they say.

        I believe the fall of AHOL HP will become a staple in “Journalism School” in the Internet Age…that is if “U.S. Journalism” survives as a profession which I don’t think will happen now. After the Iraq War it is now a debased degree.

        Once cracks in the Empire start to get into somebody’s Rolodex, I tell you there is a very interesting book to be written. I would certainly buy it to find out how this all happened. What another AOL fiasco!

        In my nightly infiltration spy journeys over there, I am going to try to turn a Mod to defect to the rebel camp in the Desert Wasteland now out here beyond the Walled Cities. Someone has to be fed up, who will talk. Someone has to be furious that everything that was built for nine years is all now going to be totally pissed away drop by drop until the superstructure goes vertical to the bottom of the North Atlantic.

        But we must all now stay vigilant…out here in the Wasteland because the Corporatists will come when they realize we have stolen their dream of Internet dominance on the photonic square carrier wave.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFuzGU1wXq8

        Everyone stay strong in our Camp!

    • BornOkayTheFirstTime

      If only Canadians owned the company. They’d put Arianna, Tim, and Jimmy on an ice floe and set them adrift.

      “I’m not your friend, buddy!”
      “I’m not your buddy, guy!”
      “He’s not your guy, friend!”
      “I’m not your friend, buddy!”

      • Barbagris

        I passed on the offer. Couldn’t find anybody to relate to.

  • majorwiblit

    Has any body seen “eggcupsgalore”??,,,,good person,,quite funny at times
    her av had a kittah with a little helmet on

    • HeyJude

      No….do you need a scout to go out and carry her back over the wire?
      SHARRYYYNNNNN! F. GRRUUUMMPP! LMAO In a way I’m only kind of kidding, I’m pretty sure we have people with superpowers here. :-)

      • Lindstr7

        Lol, you quack me up.

        • HeyJude

          :-) You can tell I’m starting to settle in….the real me (goofy) just flashed you. LOL

          • Lindstr7

            Oh my….really? a pink thong? :-|

          • HeyJude

            HEY….if I knew you could really see me, I would have combed my hair!

          • Lindstr7

            what hair! (see how this works?) lol

          • HeyJude

            Accckkkk! I’m laughing so hard I can barely type…. yep, got your number now….and you have mine. En Garde!!

  • tense641

    Well, Set ‘em up Joe! it’s now 3:11pm and I haven’t clicked once today on HP!!

    • Lindstr7

      The 12 step program is working!

      • tense641

        Ya got it!! Withdrawals weren’t too bad after all.

        • ottlh

          Although… I did find myself going through Miley withdrawal.

          Just kidding!

          • escribacat

            I’m sure you can find some of her tongue pix on the web somewhere. :)

          • ottlh

            Ewwww. I just shuddered at the thought. Memories of her being all over the news at that awards show a few months ago.

          • escribacat

            I feel old saying this but I find her disgusting.

          • HeyJude

            Me too. I’m pretty sure I yelled at the TV, telling her to get off my lawn.

          • escribacat

            LOL.

          • ottlh

            I promise you’re not the only one.

          • HeyJude

            Ohhh, jeeez, you missed it then! She put clothes on, twitched instead of twerked, and her tongue wasn’t out!

          • tense641

            Lots of smiles!

  • majorwiblit

    din-din time,,,back later

  • Fattonecat

    Just did a quick drive-by at PffftPost. No familiar faces and a lot of tumbleweeds blowin through that place…..

    • escribacat

      I just checked it out to…just looked at the comment numbers. I’ve never seen anything so low. It’s wonderful.

      • Peegan

        :)

        • escribacat

          Hi Peegan. I remember you!

          • apogee2perogee

            I remember both of you !

          • escribacat

            And I you, apogee.

          • Peegan

            You too!

          • Peegan

            And I you. I have found enough people and sites to cure any home sickness I might have had.

          • escribacat

            It’s not Huffy that folks are missing — it’s the other folks.

          • apogee2perogee

            Precisely. There are still some fine friends over there. Hope they find their way to one of the “camps” soon….

          • Peegan

            I hope so too. I know a couple of people that created phantom FB accounts and new HP accounts to try and recruit. Very Mata Hari. :)

          • Canukistani

            If they find their way to one of them, they’ll find their way to the rest. It’s getting them over the Huff Wall that’s the hard part.

          • Lindstr7

            Perhaps we should set up a “deprogramming” tent somewhere.

      • Fattonecat

        Never thought I’d like watching someone shoot themselves in the foot….guess I was wrong

        • escribacat

          This is a special case. I don’t like businesses that engage in bait and switch and this is the biggest instance of that I’ve ever seen.

          • epazote

            I don’t tolerate being lied to.
            Better to have an axe murderer sleeping on the couch than a poker faced liar posing as a friend and advocate.
            I knew about her history as a rabid rightwinger, and associate co-founder of huff-poop Andrew Breitbart….but was surprised by some of the things revealed in the SHAME report

          • Fattonecat

            I agree, Fool me once………

          • Fattonecat

            It’s instant gratification. PfftPost screwed us and the backlash was immediate….They have it coming in spades and I’m glad they’re getting it.

      • Peegan

        Even though my account is canceled, someone told me your old comments are still there if you want to see how many fans you lost. When I checked an old egg nog thread I saw almost 500 people gone. Someone else told me (but I could not verify) that HP traffic is down 40%. Lovely.

    • Algebra Palin

      yea, it’s nothing more than a news aggregator now. same as a bunch of other, but much BETTER, sites.

      a hillary versus elizabeth warren thread only has a 112 comments.

  • geesepeace

    Is it my imagination or does everything move faster when you say you don’t want to accept any cookies? I feel like I got a new computer.

  • escribacat

    Oh, no! if Huffy goes under, they’re going to have to lay off all those unpaid workers!

    • Peegan

      Did you know that not only did HP not pay their interns a single penny (which is I guess kind of standard) they CHARGED them $13,000- for a “coveted” intern position (not even remotely standard).

      • escribacat

        Yes, I read that. How disgusting. That mentality is what makes a capitalist pig out of a capitalist. Not very “progressive,” is it?

        • Peegan

          You must have read the same “Shame” report I did. If not, here it is. http://shameproject.com/profile/arianna-huffington/

          • escribacat

            Yes, that’s the one I read. Even though I’ve known for years that AH is a very low life form, it was still shocking.

          • Peegan

            I wish I had. i am kind of embarrassed to have not figured it out until the AOL sale. I knew she had her nose a bit in the air, but I did not realize what a total con artist she is.

          • escribacat

            I became suspicious of her years ago when she started her “Biden must resign” campaign. I started researching and learned about her ugly past as a right wing anti-feminist homophobe — extremely chummy with Breitbart and Gingrich.

          • Peegan

            My understanding is Breitbart was a partner in founding HP and they parted ways over philosophical differences in the direction of HP. A scary thought, he was more principled than she.

          • escribacat

            As much as I think Breitbart was your classic “angry white man” and barely rational, I think he was considerably more principled than she. At least he was honest about his position. She’s 100% phony, cynical, and dishonest. Her ridiculous “beyond right and left” campaign made it clear to me that she was no progressive.

          • epazote

            Has anyone tweeted it ? Maybe with a lead in “the real AH exposed”
            I don’t Tweet and/or Farcebook

          • Peegan

            I don’t do FB and my tweeting skills are abysmal. But I have been posting the link like crazy and hope it catches on.

      • apogee2perogee

        Whoa! That’s amazing and despicable.

  • geezer 56

    I’m not getting ANYTHING done. New comments above & below, someone is typing…can’t tear myself away even though I really do need to go to the bathroom.

    • escribacat

      Heh. That’s the problem with working on the computer. There’s always time for a little commenting break.

    • JainDohNYC

      i believe that’s why chamberpots were invented….

      • Lindstr7

        I was going to say something about depends….but yours is way classier.

        • AskandTell

          Reminds me of Lisa Nowak; the diaper wearing crazed in love astronaut. Wonder what she’s up to these days.

          • escribacat

            I was just trying to remember her name. If I were her, I don’t think I’d ever show my face in public again.

          • HeyJude

            Yes, just what does one do for excitement once you’ve peed yourself 1/2 way across the country for love? I’m wondering now, too, Ask!

          • AskandTell

            I am laughing so hard I might need a diaper.

          • geezer 56

            OMG, thank God I did do to the bathroom earlier, ‘cuz something…untoward would have happened when I read that!

          • HeyJude

            :-) I know I’m on the right site when there is any possibility of “untowards”….had several close untowards myself tonight! LOL

          • geezer 56

            Still wiping my eyes…good grief, that felt good. :)

          • JainDohNYC

            haha, I was just gonna post that!!

            the phrase “astronaut diapers” will never NOT be funny!

          • AskandTell

            I know…that is still on my top 10 list of hilarious stories that kept on giving.

          • JainDohNYC

            mine too :)

          • Steven G Smith

            Giving motivational talks to future political candidates at Tea Party fund raisers?

        • JainDohNYC

          well, yeah…..

          there’s a historical element to “chamber pots,” which automatically makes it classy!

          • Johnnymoreno

            People collect them. I saw that on “Antique Road Show”

      • epazote

        Cockpit crew relief tubes
        Oh, and minimize liquid intake

    • Peegan

      The worst is when you see the little “someone is typing” next to your comment. Anticipation……

      • geezer 56

        That one gets me every time!

      • escribacat

        LOL. That’s a nice little feature.

      • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

        (Hehehehe – I just left the window open to tease you! ;-) )… well, actually I opened it and then got distracted upthread – sorry about that! :D

    • HeyJude

      1-800 Catheter delivered right to your door! Order the large overnight bags for infrequent emptying requirements, and wear a good housecoat …..pants are uneccessary, get tangled up in the hose. :-)

  • cal haughtly

    For those suffering HP withdrawal…Paul Ryan, Senator Cruze and Ted Nugent filed papers with the FEC to form a super pac called the “Set democracy back 200 Years Initiative.” The purpose of which seems to be to fund groups dedicated to denying the right to vote, shutting down the government and shooting anything that moves.

    • geezer 56

      So, just more of the same, eh?

      • cal haughtly

        You betcha

    • Lindstr7

      Yawn. ;-)

      • HeyJude

        Hmm, just realized I’m not really missing any lib/con manufactured drama. Join me for a cup of Java, Lindstr, you sound tired! I’ll bet Ben will give us some cookies to go with it……:-)

        • Lindstr7

          When do we sing Kumbayaa, I brought my geetar.

          • cal haughtly

            Singing kumbayaaa in public would blow my secret progressive cover.

    • Lindstr7

      The BIG story is here at EpochTimes.

      • cal haughtly

        Well, since HP won’t cover it perhaps we should send FOX a link? HP likes a lib/con cage match for entertainment purposes…let them have it.

        • Lindstr7

          Good plan. HP will probably “link” the story on its main forgetting its about them D’rrrr.

          • cal haughtly

            I can just see Arianna telling the board- ‘my squabbling small people love me and vill do vwhat I say.”

          • escribacat

            I remember having a comment scrubbed there because I linked to another HP story.

          • cal haughtly

            LOLOLOLOLOLOL….the editorial board must be in Bangalore.

    • BarryBarry

      Convicted felons and illegal aliens SHOULD be denied the right to vote. I realize that would drastically cut into the Democrat base, but the law is the law.

      • cal haughtly

        Sounds like good law to me…I suppose that is why so few Felons and undocumented workers attempt to vote.

        • BarryBarry

          Al Franken agrees with you.

          • cal haughtly

            So do a lot of people tired of correcting the poorly informed.

          • AskandTell

            That’s Senator Franken; our esteemed senator from the great state of Minnesota. One of the great things about Senator Franken is he actually lives in Minnesota and he and his staff members have no intention or desire to move to a K Street position. Some of the nicest and caring folks you’d ever want to meet.

          • BarryBarry

            Stuart Smalley? And, isn’t it Minisoooda?

        • Lindstr7

          bait….annnnnnnnd…..hook.

          • cal haughtly

            if you have to check HP to know if I was kidding….it just isn’t worth going back ever.

          • Lindstr7

            Heck, I knew you were kidding. BB up there is already setting his hook with “lib bait.” I’m not biting.

  • Lindstr7

    Now if only we could get Epoch TImes to deliver food…….we’d never have to leave!

    • apogee2perogee

      Still need to do some more Christmas shopping. So will have to leave the house sometime in the next 9 days….

      • Ben_Chasteen

        LOL. Sorry we aren’t able to do that yet. @apogee2perogee, you know there is always online shopping ;) But it is good to get out of the house every once in a while.

        • Lindstr7

          yet? so there is hope… (can you get staff on that, its nearly dinner time!)

          • HeyJude

            LMAO! Yet…. gotta love Ben, right?

          • Lindstr7

            I may be developing my first “mod crush” heheh

          • HeyJude

            OMG…just saw this and laughing so hard! I was going to say the same thing. We just officially went over the edge. LMAO!

          • geezer 56

            Isn’t Ben a sweetie? I think he likes us!

          • HeyJude

            I sure hope he does, he and Cindy have just been amazing to us here.

          • Ben_Chasteen

            Yeah past mine as well, I was caught up here (and finishing a few other things) but I didn’t eat as well.

          • Ben_Chasteen

            On another note our overnight shifts are kind of lacking right now, so if comments are slow getting up that is why. We are in the process of getting more people to help out overnight in the general aspect of the web, so we will keep you posted.

          • Canukistani

            After what we’ve been through and the warm welcome you’ve given us I think most of us are willing to put up with quite a lot. You don’t even need to serve beer while we wait.

          • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

            Thanks Ben – you guys are doing a marvelous job! Glad you’re looking into a night staff person, we’ve been spared the troll infestation so far (excellent job taking out the two that came here) and I’m hoping they stay away for a while longer.

            We will continue to flag and not engage (as much as possible), the experience on HP was that trolls do not get paid per post only per reply (Blog Warriors) so we’ll just keep it cool.

            You guys rock! Thanks again!

          • nancy/still hopeful

            hey hello! great site and much appreciate the quick disposal of my very first nasty posts to me today!

        • Canukistani

          I thought I read something about there being a blue bar here somewhere. Does it serve food?

          • ottlh

            Poutine!

    • Robin S Summertown

      I took a chance and ate real food in front of my computer.

  • BarryBarry

    Now, only the TRUE Kool Aid drinkers will be on Huffington Post. Something which they have wanted for a long time.

    Look for the site to swing as far left as possible, into the realm of the DailKOS and the Democratic Underground.

    • escribacat

      You obviously don’t know much about Madame Huffington if you really believe that.

      • BarryBarry

        Time will tell. It’s not like they have that far to go.

        • Peegan

          HP is a right wing feed bag. Now, isn’t there a side boob needing your attention?

          • Lindstr7

            (zing!)

          • BarryBarry

            At least you didn’t call me racist…yet. I’m sure that’s coming soon.

    • Fattonecat

      Your radar needs adjusting…

    • Algebra Palin

      BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.
      what are you on about?

      the huffington post has been a bagger haven since 2010. baggers in the comments. bagger-mods. fox news advertisements.

    • VietVet67

      Did you know Santa is a white dude?

      • Gin1234

        I just saw Santa yesterday, and he was green.

        • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

          I keep telling Santa to stay away from the Tequilla!

          • Gin1234

            Does he hang out with Boehner? Very bad influence on Santa.

          • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

            That would be Orange Santa ;-)

          • Gin1234

            If John shares his secret recipe for sun tanning with him, yes it would.

          • Billy_boe

            If he drank good Tequila, that kind of thing wouldn’t happen

          • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

            You’re right – I think I meant “Takillya”, the stuff that even dirty paint brushes wouldn’t touch!

          • epazote

            Don Julio Reposado

        • VietVet67

          That’s what happens when he rides in a sleigh behind a bunch of reindeer.

          • Gin1234

            Ewww. (By the way, that word would never go though moderation at HP for me, so I am going to use it often every chance I get)

          • VietVet67

            Which one?

          • Gin1234

            All of them.

      • escribacat

        And so is Jesus!

        • epazote

          and he speaks only English

          • CatrionaMacA

            Then why does he have a Mexican name?

          • VietVet67

            I’ve been wondering about my buddy’s Santa Gertrudis cattle.

          • epazote

            Chuy? and his mom too…Maria de los angeles. Todo la familia son Mexicano

      • BarryBarry

        Just because I know it will piss you off…

        Since the legendary Santa is a figure born of the Dutch (A Northern European nation, in case you’ve never been out of your mother’s basement) and if he were, in fact, real, it is highly likely that he would have been White.

        Now, I find that assertion far less crazy and less offensive than Democrats suggesting that because I oppose Obama’s policies, I am racist.

        But, you go ahead and pick your Huckleberry.

    • Peegan

      Barry, Barry, Barry. Go back to HP please.

      • nancy/still hopeful

        lol…they are EVERWHERE!!!

        nice to see you here!

        • Peegan

          Oh, hello! Yes, I just found out this place. Now I have two great places to see people.

          • nancy/still hopeful

            liking it here…there is good discussion and less drama!

          • Peegan

            Yes, but it isn’t helping me keep my “just five minutes” promise I keep breaking.

          • HeyJude

            Wonderfully maddening, isn’t it? “Just five minutes…” ahhh, the lies we tell ourselves…

          • nancy/still hopeful

            lmao…time becomes all relative-I am not into ‘just one more refresh’

      • TigerLily2012

        Hey Peegan.

        • Peegan

          I see a few of us have wandering paws today.

          • TigerLily2012

            Meow.

    • Jasmine starlight

      It sounds like the Kool Aid drunk found his way over here….are you kidding me “the Democratic underground” Isn’t it time for Faux news, go catch up—Santa’s elves are white too, soon to be reported.

      • TigerLily2012

        Lol I think I like you.

    • nancy/still hopeful

      oh princess…they are all here-look at the numbers that have left-you guys always said it was a liberal rag-there are no liberal left!

    • TigerLily2012

      I”ve seen the opposite. The comments are roughly 60-70% Conservative now. I don’t know what articles you are reading, but they aren’t matching up to what I”ve seen.

    • Arbutus

      Something tells me it’s mostly lefties who have left HP. And I see this latest invasion of privacy as a swing to the right. I for one am glad to see dissenting views like yours on this website, though.

      • BarryBarry

        I have to say, all empirical data suggests that the Neo-Left, if I may, is perfectly fine with the loss of privacy. If it’s not giving all your health and financial data to the Fed via Obamacare, gun registration and licensing, Schools wanting parents to self report firearms owneship, The Feds wanting Doctors to inquire about guns and many other private aspects of a families life, etc.

        It’s the classic case of, “if we need to give up our rights for the greater good, then so-be-it”. It should be noted that the Judge who ruled the NSA’s actions unconstitutional was a Bush appointee, to the extent that it matters.

        I think the invasive aspect of this Orwellian Administration is 180 opposed to how most conservatives think things should be.

        Now, TRUE Liberals and even Liberals of the 60s probably think the same thing. But the new ones, weened on Clinton and Obama are all in on the massive government thing.

        And thanks for the Welcome,

        • Arbutus

          You’re right in pointing out that it’s not all black and white. I consider myself a liberal politically, but am also very concerned about privacy rights. Privacy and a secure identity are getting more and more difficult to maintain these days. In the case of this HuffPo debacle, I think the elimination of a few trolls was definitely not worth the invasion of privacy of all the other responsible, longtime users.

  • geezer 56

    Heads up, people–we’ve got another live one here.

    • Lindstr7

      (I nearly replied.) Discipline, discipline Lindstr7!

      • apogee2perogee

        Me too. It becomes reflexive. Having to will it away.

        • Lindstr7

          Shake it off.

      • geezer 56

        Think of it as practicing mindfulness. :)

        • apogee2perogee

          Good idea…..

      • Gin1234

        Toleration for the troll is my gift to him to celebrate the white Jesus’s birthday.

        • HeyJude

          LMAO!

    • Lindstr7

      Sigh. Its a losing battle (three replies…..ahhhh!)

      • geezer 56

        People will catch on. Old habits die hard.

  • geezer 56

    Bleed ‘em, don’t feed ‘em.

    • Lindstr7

      Flag em don’t shag em?

      • HeyJude

        Fling ‘em, don’t ding ‘em?

        • apogee2perogee

          Bag ‘em, don’t slag ‘em…..

  • apogee2perogee

    I just don’t get the attraction of going somewhere where you know you are in the minority and figuratively throwing rocks. I suspect it must come from living a miserable existence…..

    • Lindstr7

      It’s a sport for trolls. Like a toddler, any reaction is better than no reaction, that’s why they have tantrums.

    • geezer 56

      I know. It’s sad. When you don’t have anything of substance to contribute, just fling poo. Lots of free-range anger out there. Can’t imagine it serves them well in real life.

      • apogee2perogee

        I suspect they live a life kind of like an abusive partner. They suck up to gain your trust then act out until they need to suck up again. The old suck up kick down thing….

        • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

          Are we talking about HP or trollz, A2P?

          OH, my bad – no difference, really ;-)

          • apogee2perogee

            Indeed…..one and the same. I really wonder if HP will slide even further right now.

          • escribacat

            I wonder how long they can continue masquerading as a legitimate “news” organization. Their main page is more like National Enquirer nowadays. I’m waiting for “bat baby” to appear.

          • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

            HP is a ‘news aggravation’ site, E-cat!

          • escribacat

            I think they will continue to evolve into a typical rag that panders to the basest instincts of their audience. Their “product” is outrage and scandal, because that’s what makes money.

          • HeyJude

            From several reports coming in here from those taking a peek, that seems to be what is happening. I don’t know that from first hand knowledge….just now feeling cleansed of the goo, and liking it! No more clicks coming from me on those sites.

    • escribacat

      I’ve come to the conclusion that approximately 3% of the population are, um, “off.” Your basic criminals and creeps. I expect to encounter at least one per day and I’m never disappointed in that respect.

      • apogee2perogee

        I took a course once about the “Systematic Creation of Informed Consent”….or something to that effect. The bottom line was that 1 to 3 percent will never be satisfied and the best you can do is help them feel heard….and then move on.

        • geezer 56

          Except in the case of trolls, helping them to feel heard is just rewarding awful behavior. Its what they live for.

          • apogee2perogee

            Yup. On occasion, any attempts at education are a complete waste.

          • Canukistani

            Yeah, it’s a case of ‘Never try to teach a pig to sing…’

          • cal haughtly

            LOLOLOL

        • fauxmccoy

          that must somehow correlate to the 6% who think congress is doing a great job at the moment. i’m going to have to think on this.

      • JainDohNYC

        maybe it’s just me, but that # seems WAY low….

        “basic criminals and creeps” – I’d put at 15% or so.

        and if you really broke them down and defined each (criminal AND creep), it’d probably be higher.

        or maybe I’ve just lived in ny too long

  • Billy_boe

    Yes, it’s hard to resist the urge to fight the trolls on instinct.

    But you don’t have to quit everything on HP cold turkey.

    Here’s a little side boob to get your mind off the troll, and a little bush for good measure.

    http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/georgewbush/ig/100-Bush-Pictures/Bush-Binoculars.htm

    • escribacat

      Funny — that reminds me of the Chimp O meter. (Was that what it was called?) Your hound sure looks familiar but your name doesn’t.

      • Billy_boe

        LavaFalls here, and yes, we were on each other’s fans list.

        • escribacat

          Aha! Yes, glad to see you.

        • apogee2perogee

          Thanks for scratching that brain itch. I couldn’t place the name but knew the pic….

        • TigerLily2012

          Ah ha! I knew it.

        • filo

          I’d recognize that dog anywhere.

          • http://ranchero42.wordpress.com/ ranchero42

            Have you seen Polar_Shift -here-? Nick said he sent an invite.

    • TigerLily2012

      :) Hey, I think I know you. Well the avatar looks familiar.

  • christinedenice

    Does anyone know what happened to 5oclockhero? He stopped posting on HP a couple months before the latest fiasco. I always enjoyed his posts.

    • JainDohNYC

      no, haven’t seen him. but he was one of my favorites too….

  • LCW

    I read Huffpost daily and commented occasionally. I was surprised by the change in policy as I’d not read about it previously.

    This new policy stifles conversation. Esp for women. Think about rape or sexual assault victims required to use their real names to participate in a discussion? What about a discussion on abortion? That is a private, often painful, deeply personal topic that most women won’t feel comfortable discussing wihtout anonymity. The list got on to topics like sexual harassment and gay issues.

    All in all just a terrible decision that is going to stifle the discussion there from now on.

    • apogee2perogee

      Indeed. And politics is a tough conversation when your opinion can lose you a job and/or make you a target of an entirely different sort.

    • escribacat

      I have an internet presence for my profession under my real name. My political beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with that and would likely create some real problems for me. And furthermore, the threads at HP are particularly nasty, like being in a bad neighborhood. And anonymity is one’s only protection. There’s no way I would reveal any personal information to all those wackos.

      • LCW

        Agreed! I don’t want to have to give out my cell phone number to post on an internet site. I’m on the Do Not Call list and my landline rings non-stop with telemarketers. At least on my land line I can screen numbers I don’t recognize whereas my cell is used for work so that’s not an option.

        Then of course there’s the issue that any personal information you post online, a phone number, email, real name, etc makes someone money somewhere somehow. E-data is big business and apparently Huff Post wants to cash in.

    • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

      Hello LCW!

      The posts on the new policy were VERY hard to find. I was linked to the very few threads on the topic by another friend at HP, and many of us here spent WEEKS on the Pavley, Soni, and Macgregor Thompson threads talking to HP staff.

      It was all for naught, and McDonald’s ‘End of Freedom’ thread was the only one posted on the Main there.

      Of course, by the time we could read it we were locked out – I’d had enough and quit that night!

      • escribacat

        You are right dude. I became aware of it when I got “the prompt.” I then had to search for Huffington comments or something like that to find out what was going on.

    • apogee2perogee

      Where’s my manners? Welcome LCW. This place is sanctuary.

    • HarukoHaruhara

      I had a guy on HP threaten to track me down and rip the heart out of my chest.

      That’s not fun. Someone like that knowing my real name? Scary.

  • JainDohNYC

    ok, so I’m either the sharpest knife in the drawer or the dullest (i’ll leave it to you all to decide)!

    I just discovered that from the dashboard, if you’re looking at your posts/replies, and want to respond to someone, you can click on the article name (in little blue print at the bottom) and it automatically takes you not just to the thread, but to the exact place where your comment is! which is nice if the post is from 8 hours ago.

    the first two days here, whenever I clicked on it, it took me to a blank page with lines across it. so either they fixed the glitch, or I just hallucinated the glitch. but either way, yay!!

    • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

      Very cool! That Place used to have a similar feature but it got nuked years ago – I used it quite a bit back then.

    • AskandTell

      I’m probably the dullest so I’m not ashamed to ask…how do I get to the dashboard?

      • Canukistani

        If you go to your avatar and click to edit your profile it’ll open. The edit window is in the way and you have to close it so it’s a bit cumbersome, but it works.

        • AskandTell

          Excellent; thank you so much Canukistani.

          • Canukistani

            I sent a query off to Disqus asking if there was a way to open the dashboard without the edit profile window opening but I haven’t heard back from them yet.

          • JainDohNYC

            I’ve just been accessing it thru my history, but you could just bookmark the dashboard….

          • fauxmccoy

            at the end of the article/top of the comments section, you have the opportunity to check your dashboard by clicking your name, if that helps.

          • Canukistani

            Yeah, that’s kinda handy, alrighty. Thanks!

            I’m hoping there’s an easier way to get to the main Disques.com dashboard page without having the edit profile window open too, but this is certainly a help.

      • HeyJude

        There’s a dashboard? ;-O

        • AskandTell

          Another disqualified NSA spy..sorry Jude.

    • escribacat

      Well, you’re way ahead of me. Where’s the dashboard? (I’m brand new with disqus).

    • Algebra Palin

      i saw that blank, lined page too. well, two days ago.

      haven’t seen it since.

    • JainDohNYC

      lol, judging by all of your responses, I’m clearly the sharpest knife in the drawer!

      ok, to get to dashboard, click on your own pic to go to your own profile. from there, upper right hand corner says ‘dashboard.’ from dashboard, sort by ‘all activity.’ and to reply to someone as I said, click on the blue link with article name at the bottom.

      • escribacat

        Hehe. Clearly. Now can you sharpen up the rest of us?

        • JainDohNYC

          see my comment above……

  • Arbutus

    Wonder how the “more engaged and diverse community” is working out for them?

    The strangest and most hypocritical thing about this to me is the number of articles HP has posted in past about online dangers, Facebook concerns and privacy problems, etc. Then to betray its own users with the very invasion of privacy they’ve been railing against.

    I don’t expect them to worry about losing accounts and people going elsewhere. It’s strictly a business deal, where quality and number of comments don’t matter, but the clicks and kickback from FaceBook do. We obviously don’t matter to them. And Facebook lovers will fill the vacuum eventually.

    I really appreciate websites like this where commenting is easy and private. I don’t have to worry about my personal information being misused, and my comments are not censored and delayed unnecessarily.

    • cal haughtly

      When it comes to making a buck…your safety will always come second. HP is just like any other poorly regulated business.

    • Gin1234

      Particularly when all the news about NSA is big, now. The whole website is a fabrication built on what will bring the most page views to them. Finger to the wind.

      • Arbutus

        Yes, at one time I thought they were different, but now I see it’s all about crass commercialism.

        • apogee2perogee

          I think at one time they were better. But as Tim said, they changed….

    • justanaverageguy

      They are total hypocrites and profiteers looking out for what they think is good bet for them but a bad bet for us.

      I’m gone and never planning to return for even a look-see. They don’t deserve even a look -see for their shallow Hollywood TMZ like site with their over-hyped FOX like headlines.

      • Johnnymoreno

        OMG!! YOU WON’T BELIEVE WHAT MILEY SAID TO KIM!!

    • John Doe

      “How Facebook Can Sway You With A Single Word”

      “Using the more straightforward “please” in a sentence can be more effective in making people click a button online, according to new research from Facebook.

      For the past two years, Facebook’s Compassion Research Team has been trying to help social networkers resolve disputes”

      And where is this article found? Front page, 12/16/2013, Huffington Post dot com.

      P.S. If you, Dear Reader, don’t like this post, Please contact my Compassion Research Team and they will try to get back to you sometime before the Sun burns out.

  • nancy/still hopeful

    well I am thinking that Airheadanna has finally done herself in…pulling a stunt like this shows us she’s not smart-rich, greedy and an airhead, yes…but not smart, to mess with so many people!

    • escribacat

      Hubris, I’m thinking. You are another one who looks very familiar but I don’t recognize your name!

      • nancy/still hopeful

        same av….just was ‘still hopeful at 55′ over there!
        now I am here and Nancy works just fine!

    • TigerLily2012

      It’s only going to get worse once people realize how many friends have left.

    • christinedenice

      So nice to see you here, stillhopeful. I enjoyed your posts at HP.

    • Gin1234

      I hope I get over looking forward to seeing the new stats for them for the previous day, now. It’s my new fix. From one addiction to another.

      • TigerLily2012

        I know the feeling.

      • HeyJude

        Hey, great to hear….I showed interest too, and got volunteered to post updates. Now I’m volunteering you….hey, great position, lots of power, got me on the screenshot for this article. Passing that noble baton to you! Godspeed! EVERYONE is counting on you now. :-)

        • nancy/still hopeful

          no pressure right Jude?!
          lmao… ;-)

          • HeyJude

            Not subtle enough? Or does it need more cowbell? LOL

          • nancy/still hopeful

            perfect just as it was!!

          • HeyJude

            Phew.

          • nancy/still hopeful

            ;-) ))

        • Gin1234

          I’ll have to carefully consider the position before I accept it. I’ll let you know :) .

          • HeyJude

            I’ll throw in a badge and a cookie…;-)

          • Gin1234

            I just ate, but thank you anyway.

      • nancy/still hopeful

        well as long as it’s a healthier addiction I think we should congratulate ourselves!

    • filo

      Thanks for posting this Nancy.

      • nancy/still hopeful

        hey Filo!!! good to see you here-I think I might have found my news source…and so many of my HP friends are here as well!
        how are you?

        • filo

          I’m doin’ fine. I stopped by the clubhouse and saw this link. I haven’t got back there yet.

          • nancy/still hopeful

            I thought it should be up there…much to see around the net!
            I am flipping out of there lately…time for a break!

          • filo

            I hear ya’!

          • nancy/still hopeful

            good to run into you!

    • Algebra Palin

      as much as i don’t like that woman (and i never have) i’m not sure she has any control over her site anymore. she sold it.

      but whatever. the people at HP must’ve thought the people visited the site to read the articles and see sideboob. NO. most people just went for the comments.

      • nancy/still hopeful

        if she has no control,she should probably consider taking her name off the masthead!!! unless she enjoys being associated with them?!

        • Classical_Gas

          She still has Carte Blanche to regale everyone with her pithy articles. :P

          • epazote

            It’s those invites to Davos, the G8, G20 that cause her to swoon

          • nancy/still hopeful

            and that’s the only reason she keeps association-I don’t know that but it sounds good!
            and speaking of good!! here you are!

          • Classical_Gas

            :D Good to see you! How’s things?

          • nancy/still hopeful

            great actually-lovely to have fun and post without the trollage and baggerage from HP! having said that-I did get nailed a good one today on the zimmerman thread-comment was deleted-was just like old times!

          • Classical_Gas

            It really is refreshing. No kidding – did you have an unwanted hanger-on? And this was here?

            I got used to having comments poofed – I don’t think 10% of mine got through at The Poo during the last month or so.

          • nancy/still hopeful

            earlier today on the thread here!
            very frustrating…I was there less and less over the last couple of months-I dropped 260 fans in the last days!

          • Classical_Gas

            I dropped 200 fans and probably as many that I was following.

          • nancy/still hopeful

            was a massive walkout…was hoping it would have named their system…is that wrong of me????

          • Classical_Gas

            I hope it cuts her numbers, and advertising badly enough to get her/AOL’s attention. I don’t want to see this set the trend going forward to eliminate anonymity!

          • nancy/still hopeful

            exactly…enough of the rape and pillage of our personal information!!!

          • Classical_Gas

            It’s a corporate wetdream, and I am not liking it.

          • nancy/still hopeful

            no I want to close my Facebook account as well after this stunt…I have it for keeping up with my family…

          • Classical_Gas

            I was thinking of a WordPress blog for that sort of thing, don’t know if it would be as flexible, though. The price is right.

          • nancy/still hopeful

            that’s a great idea! yes…

          • Gin1234

            It’s so funny that her articles never have any comments on them. I went in one of them and was bored silly.

          • ottlh

            I tried reading it too and it sounded so out of touch.

      • AskandTell

        Good point Algebra. Ariana is the face of HP but doubt she has much influence beyond that over corporate decisions. AOL just appointed two of their board members to take over operations.

        One of them is Susan Lyne who was formerly the head of Martha Stewart Living OmniMedia. I just listened to her speak at a media forum group; sharp lady.

        http://corp.aol.com/leader/susan-lyne/

    • John Doe

      So what? AH has $315 million in the bank. What does she care if AOL goes bankrupt? She can start another blog and sell it out in five years.

      • nancy/still hopeful

        her name is still all over this one-not a smart move in my estimation…it’s not about money at this level!

  • Algebra Palin

    i may have to cancel my hp account. i’ve been on a mission to get banned, but i suppose they’re so hard up for comments they just can’t quit me.

    • escribacat

      Just post links to these other sites where all the refugees have fled to. That really pisses them off.

      • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

        Yes indeed!

      • apogee2perogee

        It hits them in the pocketbook….the only thing they understand.

      • filo

        Post them here.

        • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

          Hi Filo!

          Poynter.org – http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/233193/want-to-comment-on-huffpost-just-give-facebook-your-phone-number-first/#comment-1163039085

          Most of the folks have come here, for now, and Poynter is kinda quiet.

          Epoch and Poynter are the only sites carrying this story at the moment.

          • filo

            I will check them out. Thanks!

          • John Doe

            Since Tuesday I have been looking of Google trying to find articles about the 12/10 suicide of the Huffington Post. As you say, nothing except Epoch and Poynter plus Daily Kos and PlanetPOV.. Why? Is HP/AOL keeping their now less busy live mods busy scrubbing bad news from Google? Are the other medias keeping quiet so as to not give FB bad news before it’s big 12/20 addition to the S&P 500 index? Are the Three Letter TV News orgs all scared of Arianna? Why the net silence?

        • escribacat

          planetpov.com

          • filo

            Thanks, I’ll check it out.

      • Algebra Palin

        i just did it.

      • nancy/still hopeful

        butting in to say hello!

        • escribacat

          Hello back. I thought I recognized your pic. Stillhopeful55 — right?

          • nancy/still hopeful

            yes-now I am 57 and you can call me Nancy!!!

    • Gin1234

      Haven’t you gotten the message that they just aren’t that into you, yet?

    • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

      We still need people to travel behind the Huff Curtain to show others the way out, I suppose being a ‘pathfinder’ might put you right at the top of the banning-list!

      • Algebra Palin

        i just SORT OF posted the name of this site, with the advice to google it, on their top story. it went through.
        hahahahhahaha.

        • http://jackholesrealm.wordpress.com/ RF_Dude

          I think we need to talk to the management about getting some kind of badge system going here for Heros of the Revolution!!

          (No, just kidding – we don’t need no stinkin’ baagees!)

          • HeyJude

            I was kinda thinking we needed a Festivus pole….the airing of the grievences is going so well that the trimmings would be a nice touch.

        • JainDohNYC

          ok, THAT’S funny….

          we’ve been trying all kinds of stealth stuff to post it there – weird spellings, no links, putting it in our bios…..

          I guess no one thought to just go to the lead story and post it along with how to get here!

          • AskandTell

            I don’t think the NSA will be contacting any of us as potential spys…we obviously suck in that pursuit.

          • JainDohNYC

            lol. especially if you guys have find the dashboard first!

            ha, just kidding! :)

          • HeyJude

            I wish you were. :-)

          • JainDohNYC

            :-)

          • AskandTell

            LOL….finally mastered the dashboard. Let me at the metadata.

      • Gin1234

        Is there any kind of a badge you can get for that?

    • nancy/still hopeful

      I am insulted that I had to delete mine-was so hoping to go out in a blaze of glory-I never even got a time out from there-I am somewhat ashamed as I thought I was more bada** than that!!!

      • Algebra Palin

        i heard they weren’t even ALLOWING people to leave.

        • ottlh

          I think they are now. I was able to cancel my account yesterday.

          • nancy/still hopeful

            I’ll have to try again…I don’t show up an any pages or fan bases but I am still able to log in and out!!

          • ottlh

            and I’ll have to check if I can log in and log out.

          • nancy/still hopeful

            grrrrr…..let me know please!

          • ottlh

            Wonderful news:

            “This profile has been removed. Go to the home page”

          • nancy/still hopeful

            thats what my page says and then when I go to the comments-I can still fave/fan!!!!!
            check it out!

          • ottlh

            Oh no! You’re right. Maybe they’re hoping we’ll change our minds

          • nancy/still hopeful

            ugh…I am beyond angry at this!!!

          • ottlh

            I think I’ve got it. I can’t log in anymore. Fingers crossed!

          • nancy/still hopeful

            oh great-I will try again later!!

        • Classical_Gas

          They aren’t making it easy, gotta hit the red button several times to get there.

          • nancy/still hopeful

            I can still fave/fan and I deleted on Thursday!!!!
            repeatedly!

          • Classical_Gas

            Then your account’s still there, they just “removed” your profile. I had to go through the process repeatedly until my log-in was no longer accepted.

          • nancy/still hopeful

            imagine me swearing-a lot-as we speak!!! ;-)

          • Classical_Gas

            I sure was. I got 62 emails back saying my account was removed before it actually was. I was a little peeved, to say the least.

          • nancy/still hopeful

            I haven’t received any notification from them…that had me wondering!!

          • ChesapeakePirate

            Hey, what are you doin’ here? ;-) )

          • nancy/still hopeful

            yeah! cool place eh?

          • ChesapeakePirate

            Oh, yeah. I see the story quotes Sharyn. She was on Poynter or something, I thought. Maybe it was Epoch. Shoot, I get confused after so much sangria.

          • nancy/still hopeful

            having a party? lol, bet that feels great!

          • ChesapeakePirate

            I’m almost ready to take a nap!

          • nancy/still hopeful

            no doubt!

          • epazote

            aw, I only got 18

          • Classical_Gas

            Ha! 18 is good! I went a little medieval on the button…

        • nancy/still hopeful

          yes-that is happening to me!!!

      • ChesapeakePirate

        That was the only thing HP did ‘right’ about this. They KNEW they’d have to muzzle us before they sprung their Facebook trap.

        • nancy/still hopeful

          and then we all hit the internet and vented, ranted and told the truth anyway!!!

          • ChesapeakePirate

            And we’re still venting. And posting Arianna’s ‘bio,’ and — pretty soon– other media are going to have to report on this.

          • nancy/still hopeful

            exactly Ches…nice to see you having fun and relaxed after hell week with the bat phone!

  • filo

    So HP has decided to go after trolls but instead has managed to oust many, many long time users.

    Shame on them!

    Great job HP!!

    • apogee2perogee

      Hey filo, good to see you !

      • filo

        Thanks

    • VietVet67

      Greetings filo!

      • filo

        How are you VV?

        • VietVet67

          Doing great. I was putting in a floor, took a break and stumbled on this site. You doing OK?

          • filo

            I’m doin’ good. It’s good to see you here.

          • epazote

            *was* is the operative word in your comment
            This site is addictive, you’ll need a contractor to finish installing that flooring

          • nancy/still hopeful

            lmao…I can see that already-and I haven’t even been here a full day!

    • HeyJude

      Welcome filo!!

      • filo

        Thanks Jude!

    • epazote

      hey filo, welcome !
      good seeing you here

      • filo

        Backatcha’!

    • Classical_Gas

      Hi, filo! Yep, that was a real bone-headed move by HP.

      • filo

        Wow! This is like Homecoming week.